[CertainlyPOIS]

lauracostis: good job. We hope it will help for Pois too

CCC : test again and again to confirm it. I think the effect of minerals (calcium and magnesium) is probably too slow to feel such a difference, dispite I feel worst when mg is low.
I have posted a link about presence of morphin in milk (500 ng per liter). Some babies seems sensible to it. Some guys feel a calming effect of milk. I tried diet with and without milk and dairy products and I don't feel any difference on my Pois. I have eaten spinach last 2 weeks without real effect (spinach have sepcific opioid peptide too but once again test is negative and no effect for me). I tried fenugreek caps before orgasm (and the day before). My Pois has been vey short with few symptoms but days after I feel very anxious and nervous. Like caffeine. But all this must be tested again. Cortisol back to normal next hours. I feel myself very sensible to light and noise stress. All this wasted cortisol can't help to reduce Pois.

so fenugreek helped you untill anxiousness came out? am confused
and if it did, how long did the anxiousness last.
i dont understand what you mean by wasted cortisol, how did you waste cortisol


I will get back on milk but it might be a while.

[CertainlyPOIS]

lauracotis

do you know the longterm sideeffects of Low dose naxolene

[lauracostis]

lauracotis

do you know the longterm sideeffects of Low dose naxolene

there are none that i know about, there are no known drug interactions except for of course opiods, which naltrexone is an antagonist of.

[demografx]

OK, POIS #2 AFTER HEART SURGERY []

I went into a "mild panic" when I felt my fingers numbing a little (the usual signal for 30 years that precedes the onslaught of vicious POIS sysmptoms for the next 4 days, i.e., a death-knell!).

"POIS #1" as I mentioned earlier was 100% POIS-free. "POIS #2" was 95%, which I will acknowledge because of the mild finger numbing scare.

But this morning, about 17 hours into "POIS #2" I had an indescribable burst of energy!!! I played the piano for 30 minutes straight (almost accurately! []) - which I NEVER have done before - in 30 years - in early POIS!

All very strange. Yesterday I had a very nauseous/stomach crampy reaction, lasting many hours, which may have come from forgetting (forgetting is a temporary reaction to surgery) to remove my testosterone patches - - so I was wearing double-dose 6 patches!!! [] I removed them and stopped testosterone for a while to let my system "catch up".

Anyway, I DO NOT recommend emergency open heart surgery, quintuple bypass with complications as a cure for POIS!!!!  []

Kidding aside, I am very happy that I am now successfully treating POIS, primarily with testosterone patches + stimulants (secondary). FOR ONE YEAR!

[THISFORUMROCKS!]

Great news lauracostis and Demo!

None of my recent pois experiments have panned out recently.

On a good note though, I ate 10-15 greasy bacon slices and a bunch of tomato slices for a snack one day as I was under the influence of NE related fatigue and it surprisingly gave me a real noticeable boost for the rest of the day. I am certainly going to try this again in the future and will report back if I can duplicate the results.

Has anyone else considered bacon and tomatoes for pois munchies?  []

Please do not try this if you are concerned about clogged arteries! [] 

[John21 (OP)]

Lauracostis,
 
If LDN helps with POIS do you think maybe the syndrome might be caused reduced beta-endorphin levels, and if so couldn't this be measured in a blood test?

[lauracostis]

Lauracostis,
 
If LDN helps with POIS do you think maybe the syndrome might be caused reduced beta-endorphin levels, and if so couldn't this be measured in a blood test?

you can have beta-endorphine levels tested.  as for low amounts of b-endorphines as the cause of pois, i cant find evidence of any etiology for pois.  the increased amounts of endorphines produced by the body while taking "LDN" would most likely lessen the symptoms of anything, due to their pain blocking effects. "LDN" has been most effective on autoimmune disease, the increased amount of endorphins are binding to receptors on cells of the immune system, which some how helps correct them from attacking self-antigens.  some people report large reductions in the time(length of illness) and amount of times they get sick, like colds and flu. some people report that they don't get sick at all anymore.

[martin88]

CC, I'm not well with calcium without mg (kind of mental confusion or cognitive problems).
The milk problem can be a lot of things opioids,calcium,hormones,antibiotics,pesticides,fat,lactose,..
I'm clearly better with organic milk but there's still a bad effect.

Lauracostis,
Great experience with LDN. The following link is about depression and opioid system and confirms what you said:
http://www.depressioncenter.org/newsroom/depression_diversity.asp

On this page there's a link toward a list of studies including anxiety. They're searching for volunteers. fMRI is used a lot. http://www.umengage.org/

I'm currently taking phosphatidylserine since 3 days. There's no effect for now but like B_Jim I took caffeine during holidays and didn't feel well on it. It's rare I don't feel an effect from a supplement so I'll wait.

[demografx]

Great news lauracostis and Demo!

None of my recent pois experiments have panned out recently.

On a good note though, I ate 10-15 greasy bacon slices and a bunch of tomato slices for a snack one day as I was under the influence of NE related fatigue and it surprisingly gave me a real noticeable boost for the rest of the day. I am certainly going to try this again in the future and will report back if I can duplicate the results.

Has anyone else considered bacon and tomatoes for pois munchies?  []

Please do not try this if you are concerned about clogged arteries! [] 

                      

                       "Le Premiere POIS Snack Du Monde?"


Perhaps this can be marketed under John21's Popeye Initiative!

[lauracostis]

that sandwich doesnt look to bad

[demografx]

Laurac, I'll split it with you, but I'll have to take all the tomatoes because I can't handle clogged arteries after all that heart surgery! So the greasy bacon is all yours. Sorry   []

[demografx]

Congratulations Demo

Thank you, B_Jim!

[eyestimuli08]

Wow, I am so glad I found this forum. I thought I was the only one. So what is working the best. After I masterbate or have sex i crave carbs. It is like I am high for 2 days to a week and can't concentrate. I will be like soo tired.

What is the best cure so far? I usually just drink lots of caffeine

[bigtalktheory]

I have been diagnosed with neuralgia (headaches), tinnitus (ringing in the ear), PTSD and depression.
I was on gabapentin for a while, which worked great, actually too well.

While I was on gabapentin, you could literally hit me with a brick and I wouldn't even flinch.
I also noticed my drinking shot way up, since it seems to mask hangovers.
In fact, all of my gratuitous behaviors (including sex) increased.

I lost my job and medical coverage (predictably) and stopped taking the gabapentin.
The old symptoms came rushing back with a vengeance. Please, no sympathy for the devil.

Anyhow, I never liked being medicated. I have taken my condition into my own hands and I have been cleaning up my act for the past few months. I have stopped smoking, drinking, coffee, and now even sex. I am trying to isolate the cause of these symptoms.

If it turns out that "clean living" cures me, I am going to be at once grieved and relieved. Many lost years, but I will trade them all for any symptom free years.

I actually really hope its the sex thing - the last place I have looked. If it doesn't work, its back to the meds and associated risks.

BTW - its only through faith that I have been able to quit all the gratuitous behavior - I have simply traded the behavior for peace of mind and a sense of purpose - the promise of well-being rather than the pursuit of pleasure.

I will keep you all up to date, and invite all to join me in getting clean. It's the simple solution that is most often overlooked.

[demografx]

eyestimuli08, and bigtalktheory, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for nearly 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

eyestimuli08, and bigtalktheory, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: almost 3 years' worth of posts (nearly 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

[lauracostis]

john21
i found something interesting while researching opioid receptors effected by "LDN". i think its worth a try for a test.
endorphins and opioid receptors have now interested me more in researching cuases of pois.

here is what i found that caught my attention.
"Naltrexone has been shown to be effective in the reversal of sexual satiety and exhaustion in male rats.[15]"
 15-^ Fernández-Guasti A, Rodríguez-Manzo G. Pharmacological and physiological aspects of sexual exhaustion in male rats. Scand J Psychol. 2003 Jul;44(3):257-63. PMID 12914589
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naltrexone

there are a couple different kinds of opioid receptors found all through out the body that do differnt things.  maybe by blocking some of these i can stop a casade effect of neural chemical depletion. we already know that opioid receptors come into play somehow during orgasm when endorphins bind to them.

the naltrexone i take right now is only active in my blood for a coulple hours at night, so i will have to do a manual test on a rainy day.

[John21 (OP)]

Lauracostis, I am interested in how you make out on this drug, and whether affects your POIS. Are you taking it mainly for depression? Did you have to convince your doctor to give it to you?

[gummybear]

"URGENT DANDRUFF

Hi everybody,

I have posted a similar question several times but I haven't got a right answer.
I have a dandruff since a year ago. I have got some product and I can treat it easily. But after each ejaculation it comes back in worst way (some hours after the ejaculation). Please tell me if you have the same problem and could it be due to POIS."

Prenobis - are you using a ketonazole shampoo by any chance?  That has some strange side effects.  See newbielink:http://www.retaining-hair-health.com/2009/12/nizoral-ketonazole-shampoo.html [nonactive] What seems odd is the rapid onset of the condition post ejaculation.  Do you get really hot (temperature wise) or perspire a lot as this could cause an increase in the growth of Pityrosporum ovale which is the yeast responsible for dandruff.  Have you tried washing your hair immediately afterwards to see if that reduces the problem.  If not then it is probably not dandruff but some sort of eczema or similar dermatological condition worsened by chemical changes associated with sex.   

[demografx]

Everyone: Looking at the 3rd post by BenV, I'm not exactly sure what the implication is for The POIS Thread. I'm asking around - demo

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