[CertainlyPOIS]

Do you guys think it is worth it to go to neurologist, i dont wanna go do all these scans and there be nothing and  i have to pay money i  will never be willing to spend unless i am desperate. I know several have been with normalresults.   
I wonder if there is a way to check for mild inflammation in the brain after orgasm.                                       

[Counterpoints]

B_Jim:  the adrenaline could be a side effect, but probably not a cause, in my case anyways.  I have a severe peanut allergy, and have had shots of adrenaline to treat reactions.  The adrenaline certainly does not give me POIS symptoms. (My symptoms are mostly cognitive).
 

[CertainlyPOIS]

B_Jim:  the adrenaline could be a side effect, but probably not a cause, in my case anyways.  I have a severe peanut allergy, and have had shots of adrenaline to treat reactions.  The adrenaline certainly does not give me POIS symptoms. (My symptoms are mostly cognitive).
 

i was always curious if a shot of adrenaline will help reduce pois because of the hyper feeling during recovery, so adrenanline does not help reduce your symptoms at all, and those the shot get you hyper

[bm303]

I am a 17 year old male who seems to be suffering from POIS. It seems that after orgasm I have these symptoms:
mental confusion
lack of awareness
brain fog
uselessness
zombie-like

The few times I have gone a week without orgasm I feel great... I guess I'll just have to stop masturbating.. but it's hard.

[demografx]

bm303, welcome! How long do your symptoms last?

[demografx]

bm303, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:


Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For for over 3 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus over 600,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

bm303, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: 3 years' worth of posts (over 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

[bm303]

bm303, welcome! How long do your symptoms last?

Typically 1 day at a severe level then it progressively gets better. I am not sure that POIS is the cause though considering I do have chronic EBV which causes similar symptoms, but it seems like they are heightened after reaching orgasm.

[GoingCrazy]

Day 0 for me. 3 cups of strawberries last days and harpagophytum supplement didn't help a lot compared to the severity of flulike symptoms (I ate a lot of fast carbs, so it's not a surprise). According to pediatrics.org, high glycemic index food increases blood adrenaline from 3 to 6 hours at least.  The two episodes was after activity (walk) and after lunch. So, I think Demo's argument is good.
Active = adrenaline
I think we may have abnormally high adrenaline after orgasm and we have problem to come back to normal level.

I didn't sleep much and a think to Pois a lot.
Definitly, I feel nervous after orgasm and have muscle tremors.
The cathecolamine rush with have after orgasm is probably too long and too high. Catecholamine release, glycemia and inflammation must be cofactors.
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Goingcrazy : It seems you have a good frequency
How about the hangover felling you described before cure ?

Actually yes, the night following eating 1 pack of strawberries, the brain fog was definitely a lot worse (this would have been my anxiety/depression crappy feeling if I O'd recently, but as time passes for me it ends up being this physical fog in my head), and in the following morning. 
Than I ate another box and that following night is when I had my breakthrough, I felt like some pathway was cleared, followed by that morning the brain fog was gone.  i just want this feeling to stay, or maybe I'll just eat strawberries the rest of my life lol. 
Sorry about not explaining about this because I actually really wanted to I just kept going on about the strawberries.

[GoingCrazy]

B_Jim:  the adrenaline could be a side effect, but probably not a cause, in my case anyways.  I have a severe peanut allergy, and have had shots of adrenaline to treat reactions.  The adrenaline certainly does not give me POIS symptoms. (My symptoms are mostly cognitive).
 

i was always curious if a shot of adrenaline will help reduce pois because of the hyper feeling during recovery, so adrenanline does not help reduce your symptoms at all, and those the shot get you hyper

Thanks for that post on adrenaline, i thought that WAS giving me symptoms when I was symptomatic

[GoingCrazy]

I don't know if I've mentioned this but I have switched the bed I sleep in to a more "firmer" one.  I now sleep through the night which was not too common on my old bed.

[daveman]

Is there going to be any chat? Over on Delphi. Think that would be http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat .
It's 7 PM EDT now. 4 PM west coast... a little early there yet!

[Counterpoints]

Counterpoints :
Thanks. You describe Pois "Like having a fever" on post-olympe.
And so you find allergy to peanuts and adrenaline shot are 3 different things and different feelings ?

The symptoms of POIS are different than the symptoms of a fever (for me), but POIS is like a fever in the way it comes and goes.

The allergy to peanuts does not feel like POIS.  Also, the shot of adrenaline does not give me POIS symptoms -- in fact, usually I can think clearly afterwards.  I have sometimes thought that maybe adrenaline would help lift me out of POIS, but I think this is unlikely.

[demografx]

Is there going to be any chat? Over on Delphi. Think that would be http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat .
It's 7 PM EDT now. 4 PM west coast... a little early there yet!

It's 7:30 PM West Coast, heading over there now.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat

[demografx]

Frequent naps

These have always helped me in POIS.

I just woke up from a nap and feel "10X better" than before the nap (It's Day Zero).

If this helps anyone else, I wonder if napping can be explored further? Even resting with eyes closed helps. An obvious idea just came to mind, one of artificially induced napping, with a doctor's supervision? Could be dangerous, I suppose. Anyone have any thoughts about this?

[CertainlyPOIS]

CCconfucius : I'm sorry and disappointed for your bloodtest.  If hormones and immune system tests are normal, the nervous system is the cause. Don't be discouraged.
Is it possible to have more details about your test ? (CRP, histamine immunoglobulin ? )

i dont have results in my hand nurse only told me over the phone, hopefully i can get next week.

[CertainlyPOIS]

bm303, welcome! How long do your symptoms last?

Typically 1 day at a severe level then it progressively gets better. I am not sure that POIS is the cause though considering I do have chronic EBV which causes similar symptoms, but it seems like they are heightened after reaching orgasm.

How do you deal with EBV, do you use an antivrus or like i read in internet you just let body immune system take care of it.

[Limejuice]

Naps do wonders in and out of POIS.  I think there just goood all around.

[daveman]

Actually yes, the night following eating 1 pack of strawberries, the brain fog was definitely a lot worse (this would have been my anxiety/depression crappy feeling if I O'd recently, but as time passes for me it ends up being this physical fog in my head), and in the following morning. 
Than I ate another box and that following night is when I had my breakthrough, I felt like some pathway was cleared, followed by that morning the brain fog was gone.  i just want this feeling to stay, or maybe I'll just eat strawberries the rest of my life lol. 
Sorry about not explaining about this because I actually really wanted to I just kept going on about the strawberries.

This has me confused.. sorry. Could you detail a little more the events related to the orgasm. For instance all was after the orgasm right? the first box when, day 0, 1? And then the second box, seemed to clear things up the morning after taking it the second evening.

Could you note: day N 1st box: crappy, day N+1, second box, morning after great!
What is the value of N?

Sorry for the question, but it's important to know which day of the following cycle was affected by which stimulus, and when. The idea being that maybe day 3 for instance you would already be getting better anyways, etc. etc.

I have found that by putting things in a data base, the relationships of consuming something compared to the "nomal cycle" are more important and evident.

[daveman]

My database is more or less ready, but I still haven't dedicated to writing the interface. There are two parts to the interface, the entering data part and the visualization part. Graphs are best, for seeing cycles after moment "0", but it difficult on a graph to indicate the contributing/influencing factors.

Presentation in table form is easier and includes all data better, but is not as visual.

Graphs take more programming effort, so I will probably do that later, so the first pass will be with tables.

With tables though it's a cinch (SP??) to export to Excel, I can include a button for that, and then most of you should be able to create graphs once it's in Excel.

But it's still gonna take a bit more time to get the otiginal interface programmed.