[demografx]

FYI, cross-posted from another thread:

What baffled me so, 18 months ago, on the POIS board was the complete unwillingness to consider chronic masturbation as an addiction
 

You have absolutely no evidence of POIS as a chronic masturbation phenomenon.

Many sufferers are loving and happily married men and even for procreation purposes still suffer the agonizing and devastating aftereffects of POIS.

Please check your facts more carefully. Thank you.

[demografx]

More:

Three years ago I gave up being orgasmic and like the POIS BOYS, it helped enormously.

Still the problem was not solved. When I stopped being sexual completely the problem disappeared.

All the pills, powders, vitamins, teas, patches, shots and therapies avoid the only important question: If you're doing something that hurts you, why don't you stop?
 

The "POIS BOYS" have also discovered that being a eunuch doesn't solve the problem either.

We are sexual beings, given nature's gift of orgasm.

Several of us have found wonderful solutions with "patches, pills, etc.", and on the verge of finding even better ones.

Not to hide a problem, but to SOLVE a neurochemical/physiological problem, i.e., hormal imbalance, neurotransmitter deficiency and the like.

[demografx]

Hey everybody, I'm keeping your POIS research well-wishing in mind. I'm hoping to get a call back from this guy, referred by Dr Christina Wang, Director of the P/T Study:
http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=458&action=detail&ref=7224

If the only way I can see him is by medical appointment, my insurance won't cover the visit. Anyone willing to chip in for the visit, PM me!

[Limejuice]

No Prob.

I think I can cover your first three questions with one answer.

1, 2, 3 - I notice no difference when I take progesterone and feel the same as I did before taking it.  When I take a high dosage I feel no different - there is no high feeling or noticable difference.  I've taken a lot of P at once noticed no difference in energy levels or how I feel.  I feel that P does not effect non-POIS aspects of my life.

4 - P seems to reduce pressure or a headache after O and helps me think clearer.  I haven't experienced any side effects taking the medication.

5 - Recover period has shortened 50%, severity of symptoms reduced well over 50%

Hey Limejuice,
Can i ask you some more questions about your the effects of your treatment?

1) Has there an instance so far where you can sense you have taken too much?
as in, that "whoo, im not doing that again" type feeling

Or so far it has been a case of "the more, the merrier"?

2) Demo describes a "sense of well-being" (happier?) with TRT, would describe the same for P?
If not, is it more, "a nulling of the bad feelings"?

3) has it effected your energy levels?
up/ or down, the same?
Is it the higher the dose = the more energy?
or the higher the dose = more drowsy?

4) have there been instances where they effected any headaches?
brought them on?
stopped them?

5) This a difficult one, but when you describe 80-90% cure,
has the speed of total recovery has changed...fastened?
or is the total recovery time the same but you feel much much better within that pois period? (hope you understand!)

MANY REGARDS!!!
 

[CertainlyPOIS]

No Prob.

I think I can cover your first three questions with one answer.

1, 2, 3 - I notice no difference when I take progesterone and feel the same as I did before taking it.  When I take a high dosage I feel no different - there is no high feeling or noticable difference.  I've taken a lot of P at once noticed no difference in energy levels or how I feel.  I feel that P does not effect non-POIS aspects of my life.

4 - P seems to reduce pressure or a headache after O and helps me think clearer.  I haven't experienced any side effects taking the medication.

5 - Recover period has shortened 50%, severity of symptoms reduced well over 50%

Hey Limejuice,
Can i ask you some more questions about your the effects of your treatment?

1) Has there an instance so far where you can sense you have taken too much?
as in, that "whoo, im not doing that again" type feeling

Or so far it has been a case of "the more, the merrier"?

2) Demo describes a "sense of well-being" (happier?) with TRT, would describe the same for P?
If not, is it more, "a nulling of the bad feelings"?

3) has it effected your energy levels?
up/ or down, the same?
Is it the higher the dose = the more energy?
or the higher the dose = more drowsy?

4) have there been instances where they effected any headaches?
brought them on?
stopped them?

5) This a difficult one, but when you describe 80-90% cure,
has the speed of total recovery has changed...fastened?
or is the total recovery time the same but you feel much much better within that pois period? (hope you understand!)

MANY REGARDS!!!
 

Nice Nice Great Great

[horizon]

Hey everybody, I'm keeping your POIS research well-wishing in mind. I'm hoping to get a call back from this guy, referred by Dr Christina Wang, Director of the P/T Study:
http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=458&action=detail&ref=7224

If the only way I can see him is by medical appointment, my insurance won't cover the visit. Anyone willing to chip in for the visit, PM me!

are you thinking about trying P?
what are your feelings on it, so far?

[horizon]

srry to throw off focus, i was just curious lauracostis how is cerebrolysin going.

yes, i'd be interested to as it is an Alzheimer’s drug.

Since discovering this…

But sex also boosts our body's senses, at least the smell. After the orgasm, a rise of the hormone prolactin occurs inside your body. This chemical makes the brain's stem cells to grow new neurons in the olfactory bulb, where smell is formed, increasing a person's olfactory abilities.

…Ive been reading about the the olfactory bulb and smell.
A lot of Alzheimer’s talk gets mentioned with the olfactory, saying its one of the first signs for it.
Im wondering if POIS is related to Olfactory problems, our abilty to grow new neurons in the olfactory bulb.

[lauracostis]

srry to throw off focus, i was just curious lauracostis how is cerebrolysin going.

it was not a cure, at least for me, but was certainly worth a try.

[lauracostis]

lime juice,

 i dont know if i told you before but the effective dose in the P/T male contraceptive studies, at least the ones that use norethisterone for the progestin,and that were effect was a dose of 15mg norethisterone every day + a T replacement. besides using the T for replacement, T either has a combined effect or a synergistic effect with P to block LH and FSH. i remember you said a doctor gave you a female progestin contraceptive with a very low dose, i dont think thats going to do any thing.

[lauracostis]

i wonder when realistically, assuming its a successful trial, the P/T contraceptive will become available to the public?
1,2,5,10 years?

I wonder if we could get the formula, as in, how much P and T they use and get our doctors to administrate our own POIS trial with our own endo?

Am I thinking too idealistically here and not in the real world?

The one in Edinburgh are using injections, demo, am I right in thinking P pills/T patches might be better for pois?

i have a review on the P/T trials, it contains dosage and frequency, and route of administration, and the percent of patients who reached azoospermia. unfortunately the author decided to exclude the end results of quite a few T/P trials because they were not run for an adequate length that met his specifications. but there are certainly enough trails listed with full results to make up are own cocktail with what ever our doc's can scrap together.
i have given the article to my doctor with my own recommendations.

[horizon]

perhaps i shouldnt ask this question (feel free to delete it) but can you get the T off the internet without prescription? we know you can get the P.
(by the way im not going to do any experiment without a doctor, nor do recommend it, but was just curious!)

[Limejuice]

Lauracostis, can you prove this by referencing a study or a website link?

Thanks.

[demografx]

perhaps i shouldnt ask this question (feel free to delete it) but can you get the T off the internet without prescription? we know you can get the P.
(by the way im not going to do any experiment without a doctor, nor do recommend it, but was just curious!)

"Pharmacies offering medication without requiring a prescription and doctor review or supervision are sometimes fraudulent."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_pharmacy

[lauracostis]

Lauracostis, can you prove this by referencing a study or a website link?

Thanks.

here is the link to the pdf of the review.

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/reprint/24/4/466.pdf

[demografx]

Laurac, a heightened concern about cerebrolysin arose when (1) a member was promoting the usage here publicly and illegally to a 19-year old by offering to buy it in Europe and sending it to him. And he also (2) publicly promoted the off-label use of cerebrolysin.

These are illegitimate uses of the forum and after sufficient warning, the member was banned.

My request about cerebrolysin is a result of this incident, as discussed with others (moderators and management) at Naked Science Forum.

In other instances, e.g., progesterone, it's not illegal, but safety is another major concern. So the potentially dangerous side effects were posted.

Laurac, I ask that these concerns are respected. There are many somewhat desperate members and lurkers who look to us for medical guidance (which we are not in a position to provide but our posts can easily be misconstrued that way).

[demografx]

your [sic] being to [sic] harsh on P, there is know [sic]one reporting any side effects on P in males.

Once again, I ask that you respect the cautionary posts. With 700,000 site visits and 150+ members here, we have a responsibility.

And once again, there are some extremely vulnerable and desperate people here. Not just the handful of perhaps more sophisticated members who are experimenting.

[demografx]

i dont make this crap up.

Watch the language, please. This is a science forum.

[demografx]

srry to throw off focus, i was just curious lauracostis how is cerebrolysin going.

it was not a cure, at least for me, but was certainly worth a try.

Necessary to point out: (1) this drug is illegal in the U.S., and (2) there is a safety concern in that the drug has not been safety-tested outside of Alzheimers, stroke, and dementia patients' usage.

Any further discussion, please take it private.

[demografx]

Hey everybody, I'm keeping your POIS research well-wishing in mind. I'm hoping to get a call back from this guy, referred by Dr Christina Wang, Director of the P/T Study:
http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=458&action=detail&ref=7224

If the only way I can see him is by medical appointment, my insurance won't cover the visit. Anyone willing to chip in for the visit, PM me!

are you thinking about trying P?

what are your feelings on it, so far?

P (Progesterone) sounds potentially dangerous according to my pharmacology-attorney friend. I have posted that warning a couple times, along with side-effects info from Drugs.com.

T (Testosterone) is working for me, but I could use an improvement. It's just not worth the risk to me to get that added oomph right now by making a P/T cocktail, especially since I'm on a carload of meds since my open heart surgery only 6 months ago, and it took me quite some time to get adjusted to those meds.

Thanks for asking.

[demografx]

Hey everybody, I'm keeping your POIS research well-wishing in mind. I'm hoping to get a call back from this guy, [Dr. Rajfer, MD] referred to me by Dr Christina Wang, Director of the P/T Study:
http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=458&action=detail&ref=7224

If the only way I can see him is by medical appointment, my insurance won't cover the visit. Anyone willing to chip in for the visit, PM me!

Quick recap: So that we can all find a medical researcher here to study POIS, I was referred to Dr. Rajfer by the Director of the P/T Study.

Here are Dr. Rajfer's credentials:
http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=458&action=detail&ref=7224

I did get a call back from Dr. Rajfer's assistant to set up an appointment, but only one forum member here offered to contribute to pay for my non-insurance-coverage visit, and it's unfair to burden him with half the cost.

So I'll continue by telephone and email unless anyone else wishes to pledge some funds to pay for part of my consultation with Dr. Rajfer.

I promised to email her more information about the forum and our interest in having Dr. Rajfer study POIS.

But your well-wishing worked, I did get a call back  []