[girlwind]

Hello demografx--The more superlatives, the better. It's almost as good as money. [] []

FYI--I just added the sexual tag.

[Bizzy]

Terrific! And I'm glad you said placebo effect. I was fooled by testosterone shot. It "worked" beautifully the first time, then pfffttt.
Placebo effect is good, though, it shows how badly the body/mind wants to recover!

I think the first shot of testosterone really does work and makes you feel so much better. But I too found that it quickly stops working, within 10 days. I think this is because it initially suppresses stress hormones such as cortisol and CRF, but the stress hormone circuit recovers back.

[sparx]

hi everyone,

I've been attempting to get an idea of how prevalent anxiety problems are amoung POIS sufferers by reading back through initial posts.

Anxiety is mentioned fairly often in association with POIS but it isn't clear whether anxiety is common before and/or after a POIS episode.

So I'm hoping that people could mention whether they suffer (or have suffered) from ongoing anxiety problems while they are free from POIS symptoms.

By 'ongoing' I mean often feeling apprehensive or fearful about dealing with relatively ordinary activities or events in life. If you want to know more about types of anxiety symptoms, there are many descriptions around the net (for a short description try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety#Symptoms [nofollow] )

If you think you have a history of ongoing anxiety, then how long has it been happening? (Since childhood?, adolescence? adulthood?) Since before you first remember experiencing POIS?
How intense is/was the anxiety? E.G. were there mild or intense anxiety attacks? Or do you have ways of defusing and calming down (eg. exercising, smoking)?

If you have never experienced ongoing anxiety issues, this would be equally important to mention because that could rule out anxiety as a common problem amoung POIS sufferers.

Thanks and best wishes everyone.

[demografx]

Hello demografx--The more superlatives, the better. It's almost as good as money. [] []

FYI--I just added the sexual tag.

OK, then, girlwind: (I need to save money  [] ) magnificent! superb! breathtaking! amazing! astonishing! fantastic! marvelous! delightful! pleasing! great! brilliant! perfect! ideal! Whew........

AND THANK YOU FOR THE SEXUAL TAG! (hmmm, did that sound right?)

[demografx]

SPARX

Anxiety has been with me as far back as I can remember. Best way to describe it is that I often get _panicky_ in situations where other people simply get...concerned!

I don't really know what else to say about it, but it's interesting that you bring that up in relation to POIS. Maybe anxiety prevents us from normal recovery after orgasm?

[demografx]

I think the first shot of testosterone really does work and makes you feel so much better. But I too found that it quickly stops working, within 10 days. I think this is because it initially suppresses stress hormones such as cortisol and CRF, but the stress hormone circuit recovers back.

Bizzy, thanks for that! Fascinating explanation of testosterone and POIS!

[girlwind]

OK, then, girlwind: (I need to save money  [] ) magnificent! superb! breathtaking! amazing! astonishing! fantastic! marvelous! delightful! pleasing! great! brilliant! perfect! ideal! Whew........

AND THANK YOU FOR THE SEXUAL TAG! (hmmm, did that sound right?)

You're funny. Without your humor and enthusiasm, things could get just a little boring around here!

[martin88]

Hi Sparx, my anxiety occur when people are involved and is increased a lot in pois state. I can say it's caused by pois. I'm almost not anxious one day before a nocturnal emission, there is really a big difference between sexual abstinence and pois.

[demografx]

You're funny. Without your humor and enthusiasm, things could get just a little boring around here!

Many thanks, girlwind, we certainly have a Mutual Admiration Society here. After 30+ years of POIS, my only alternative is to cry all day [:-'(]

[Coreman]

Dear all,

Just imagine, I am having a wonderful day

Due to a new formula:

1. Yesterday evening emission. (Well, it was saturday night
2. Right after that, I reinforced myself with 200 mg Valerian (dried),  340 mg Calcium, 150 Mg Magnesium,  7,5 mg Zinc, 5 mcg D3-Vitamine, 10 mg Anxiron (a serotonine affecting drug), 2 caps of Cortitrol (3*3 caps of Cortitrol already taken in the last 3 days). Afterwards, I slept like a log. 

3. in the morning:  10 mg of Anxiron + Fish-oil caps. + Yoga in order to release the stress remained, and positive visualizations (affecting dopamine).

Good to know: no caffeine, no refined sugar,  but many vegetables and healthy fats (olive oil, fish-oil). It is a message for those who have "P.O.I.S with anxiety" variant,  caffeine has the power to induce/worsen anxiety. Kick the habit.         

Results:  no weakness, i feel quick-witted, strong. There is no bad mood, I woke up very refreshed, there is neither irritability nor lethargy, weakness, heats and colds, mental problems.
Only slight anxiety symptoms remained. (Emission causes anxiety  as well in my case in an hour). I give it 2/10 on my scale.

What makes it more convincing, I had had another "emission" the previous evening as well! (In these circumstances , P.O.I.S is usually as bad as a nightmare)     

Today is a good day. Still checking whether placebo or not.

To whom it may concern: thank for your idea about Calcium! i think it may be an important factor in my relief.

Have a nice day,

Coreman.

[John21 (OP)]

Girlwind/ Guthrie, nice work.  Bizzy, I like the Wikipedia idea.

Sparx, anxiety was of course present in the POIS state. Outside of it I was always somewhat of an anxious person, but this is not uncommon.  I developed what might be a generalized anxiety from “fighting” the problem for so long with no results.

Concerning my results…

At times throughout my life I have had back trouble. Often once or twice a year I will throw my back out. I haven’t listed this as a symptom, but at times this has definitely happened P.O.

This previous week I had another NE, while continuing my clove a day garlic diet. Again, I had no mental symptoms, and remember for me the mental trouble has always been the main symptom. I did notice that my neck glands were slightly swollen, as if I had a minor cold. Unexpectedly one morning I woke with a sore neck, which is very odd for me. Then a couple of days later my back went out.  Whether the back/neck problems are POIS related I have no clue. 

I believe that the garlic is definitely doing something. Is it killing an organism? Is it moving mercury around? I really don’t have any idea, but it is my new drug… I am now a garliholic.  I am also still eating some raw onions, although my money is on the garlic.  I am also still consuming some flax oil,  it seems to help with energy especially when insomnia is sapping me.

Thinking back to when I believed a dairy free diet was helping me, this could very well have been around the time that I began adding cooked garlic to my diet.

 

[Michael8028]

Terrific! And I'm glad you said placebo effect. I was fooled by testosterone shot. It "worked" beautifully the first time, then pfffttt.
Placebo effect is good, though, it shows how badly the body/mind wants to recover!

I think the first shot of testosterone really does work and makes you feel so much better. But I too found that it quickly stops working, within 10 days. I think this is because it initially suppresses stress hormones such as cortisol and CRF, but the stress hormone circuit recovers back.

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Did your doctors monitor your Estradiol levels during your Testosterone replacement therapy ? The first shot, E2 levels might have risen slighty but after that E2 may have risen considerably.


If T shots are given once or twice a week it will shoot up your E2 levels since the liver cant handle this amount of T and thus aromtases too estrogen. Modern approach is T shots E2D or E3D to keep T levels more consistent, less rollercoaster effects and too keep E2 in check.



demografx, what was your T levels before your doctor started you on T ? Also did your Dr test for E2, LH, FSH, Free T3, 4x Cortisol, Dhea, Prolactin, Shbg too see what was the cause?



I have just paid out my pocket for a full neurotransmitters test which cost $200+.
This test should us what neuros are depleted after orgasm.

We know that prolactin surges after orgasm and that furthur depletes dopamine and
possibly giving us POIS suffers a massive Dopamine-adrenaline-epinephrine conversion which could possibly explain the anxiety some POIS sufferers experience after
orgasm and the increased Bp.


I will post the results on the board once there here as well as my 
 4 cortisol tests(cost $150) post orgasm.

I have a feeling our inability
too handle stress and also the exhaustion/fatigue the days after orgasm is linked too the adrenals so hopefully the cort test will confirm this.

I already know I have low dhea so that is one half of the equation confirmed for adrenal fatigue/burn out.


Neuros tested :


Serotonin
Dopamine
Norepinephrine
Epinephrine
GABA
PEA
Histamine
Glutamate
Creatinine

Results here in 2 weeks hopefully.

[girlwind]

I have just paid out my pocket for a full neurotransmitters test which cost $200+.
This test should us what neuros are depleted after orgasm.

Hey Michael8028--what lab will you be using for the neurotransmitter tests?

[girlwind]

Dear all,

Just imagine, I am having a wonderful day
Due to a new formula:

Congratulations Coreman!

I've been having results with my formula too.
50 mg. 7 Keto DHEA 2X/day
1 tsp Maca 3X/per day
2 caps Siberian Ginseng 3X/day
1 gram Pantothenic acid 3-5X/day
B-100 caps 2X/day
2 Omega 3 Fish oil caps 1X/day
Magnesium chloride (transdermal oil) 2X/day
100 mg L-tryptophan before bed
Carbo restricted diet
and Garlic--as much as I can stand per day (thanks to John21)

Also, my CFS symptoms have been better lately, so my POIS is better as a result.
In my case, they are very interconnected.

[girlwind]

hi everyone,

I've been attempting to get an idea of how prevalent anxiety problems are amoung POIS sufferers by reading back through initial posts.

Anxiety is mentioned fairly often in association with POIS but it isn't clear whether anxiety is common before and/or after a POIS episode.

I've definitely had anxiety, due to CFS and related symptoms. The worse my energy is, the more restless and anxious I can be.
Usually the answer has been rest and adrenal restoration. Once my energy goes up, I don't have much in the way of anxiety,
unless there is some major stress or upset in my life. Because POIS seems to drain my adrenals, I will have anxiety with a POIS
episode. Though I am having some results and a lessening of POIS symptoms, due to the formula I mention above.

[demografx]

demografx, what was your T levels before your doctor started you on T ? Also did your Dr test for E2, LH, FSH, Free T3, 4x Cortisol, Dhea, Prolactin, Shbg too see what was the cause?

I have just paid out my pocket for a full neurotransmitters test which cost $200+.
This test should us what neuros are depleted after orgasm.

Wow, Michael, this is fascinating! I didn't know neurotransmitters could be measured like that.

My T level was normal. I asked the docs to put me on TRT strictly for POIS (they argued with me but finally relented). Sorry I don't have any more data on my TRT "cure" - which didn't work after the first shot...so I stopped. I must say my libido went over the top; now my libido is comparatively on par with a 100-year old eunuch []

[Michael8028]

demografx, what was your T levels before your doctor started you on T ? Also did your Dr test for E2, LH, FSH, Free T3, 4x Cortisol, Dhea, Prolactin, Shbg too see what was the cause?

I have just paid out my pocket for a full neurotransmitters test which cost $200+.
This test should us what neuros are depleted after orgasm.

Wow, Martin, this is fascinating! I didn't know neurotransmitters could be measured like that.

My T level was normal. I asked the docs to put me on TRT strictly for POIS (they argued with me but finally relented). Sorry I don't have any more data on my TRT "cure" - which didn't work after the first shot...so I stopped. I must say my libido went over the top; now my libido is comparatively on par with a 100-year old eunuch []

demografx, do you have the T number and ranges ?

Just about all doctors will say your hormones are normal if the hormones are within range.Back then, they had me believing my hormone levels were fine for a 22 yr old but after furthur research, my t level was normal for a 60-70 yr old.

Your E2 levels may have been low before starting T and after the first T shot it may have raised your E2 level too a healthy optimal level giving you the increased libido. After that it may have raised E2 way too high since I dont think your doc prescribed you any AI(Aromatse inhibitor) to control the E2 sides from T shots.

 A good way too judge healthy E2 levels is morning erections.If your getting daily morning erections then E2 levels are perfect, if not i would check E2(Estradiol).

Its good you didnt stay on Trt for long as you could of shut down your natural T production and then you would have to be on T shots for life
but that is, if your T levels were ok to begin with.


Why not ask your doc to be refered to an Endo and check the hormones above as well as the neuros ....this would take out alot of the guess work

[Michael8028]

I have just paid out my pocket for a full neurotransmitters test which cost $200+.
This test should show us what neuros are depleted after orgasm.

Hey Michael8028--what lab will you be using for the neurotransmitter tests?

Hi girlwind,(Nice video btw)

I ordered the neuro test from here :

http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/neuroscan_neurotransmitter_test.html

I see your taking Maca, pantothenic acid,B-100 caps 2X/day. These are awesome !

I take these for my adrenals too as well as vit c.

I have low dhea and low morning cortisol confirmed by saliva tests.

Have sent away my saliva kit for my afternoon, evening and late evening cortisol levels to see how bad or good my adrenals are doing the rest of the day.

BTW dhea orally 50mg a day can convert to bad estrogens messing the good to bad estrogen ratio. It depends on your liver. For no side effects from taking dhea take Dhea sublingual or rub dhea cream where the Dhea is not passed through the liver.

Although rubbing dhea cream wont work if one has Hypothyroidism as the cream wont be absorbed.


Alot of people with adrenal problems also have Hypothyroidism as the Thyroid hormone wont be received through the body when there is a lack of Cortisol which can cause anxiety etc

Im not sure if you posted your levels but what was your 4x cortisol and dhea results?

If you havent done so I would ask your Doc too check Free T3, TSH for Thyroid and Estradiol, Estrones and Progesterone too if your experiencing alot of anxiety.

If your Doc is no good, you can order these tests through ZRT labs, this is where I got mine done. You can either spit saliva through a tube or p.rick your finger for a blood spot and then all you do is send it away and they will post your results through letterbox in 2 weeks time or less.

It is expensive for most people but I think an investment too health is never too expensive.

[demografx]

Its good you didnt stay on Trt for long as you could of shut down your natural T production and then you would have to be on T shots for life
but that is, if your T levels were ok to begin with.

Now you're scaring me. I was on TRT for some months. I was told by a top urologist that it could take 6+ months for my natural T production to come back strong. But I think there are complicating factors since I was low in libido due to depression and inactivity. I don't think numbers tell the whole story, and certainly not over the internet without a physician.

[demografx]

(1) I ordered the neuro test from here :

http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/neuroscan_neurotransmitter_test.html

(2) ...order these tests through ZRT labs, this is where I got mine done...

Michael, you sound very knowledgeable; how do you know these people are good?