[Counterpoints]

Interesting article on the chemical effects of orgasm (at least, for non-POIS people):
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/177/1/57.pdf

[Counterpoints]

POIS exhaustion/fatigue

I always thought this was a hallmark symptom of POIS until someone here said that theirs was not.

If exhaustion/fatigue is NOT your prime symptom, is brain fog?

Mental fatigue is an important symptom, for me.  Physical fatigue is not something I have noticed as much.

I would say difficulty focusing, difficulty communicating, and anxiety/distress/social anxiety are the most challenging symptoms for me.

[demografx]

POIS Diary

Tuesday, Election Day, was Day Zero for me, with Levitra. Today, 3 days later, I played piano at a gig for 1 and 1/2 hours. I planned on playing for 2 hours, which I did last time, out-of-POIS. After the 1 and 1/2 hours I was exhausted, from POIS, went home and napped.

My morning energy was good every day since release. Afternoons flagged (coffee/sugar crashes undoubtedly contributed).

I'm thinking of downgrading my 75% POIS/Levitra cure to 50%, because the last 2 times were a little disappointing. Maybe my placebo effect lasted over a year! []

ps -  Counterpoints, a while back you brought up pianoplaying vs. POIS. I noticed yesterday and the day before that my "piano mechanics" were indeed not as tight as they are out-of-POIS. I missed notes far more frequently.

[demografx]

I have REALLY low blood pressure, which apparently goes with adrenal fatigue. My high reading for blood pressure is 100/60, my low can be as low as 87/50. So it still doesn't make sense why it [relora] could amp me up....?

Girlwind, maybe it's from the other ingredients? After all, they do admit that Relora clearly has a side effect of creating sleeping difficulty (in other words, it can "amp [you] up").

[tarkington]

I can't say that I have changed anything. I started taking a Centrum Vitamin daily and Relora three times a day.  I started working out daily about three months ago, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

[tarkington]

No one else is getting the same results with Relora?

[tarkington]

The bark of the magnolia officinalis tree(ingredient in Relora) has magnolol and honokiol.  Look at these on Wikipedia.org. 

This website for information on the other ingredient Phellodendron amurense

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/article.cgi/jnprdf/1998/61/i08/html/np970406y.html [nofollow]

[demografx]

No one else is getting the same results with Relora?

Tarkington, I'm not sure what Limejuice's update is, but I found this below:

Relora results: Reduction in symptoms (approximate amount 50%)

I began taking Relora Friday and released Saturday(released twice to ensure no placebo effect).  The results were that all symptoms were reduced such as brain fog, social anxiety, and concentration; however, sleep issues and libido still remain.

I will test once again this week after full recovery.

After that I will try the fenugreek.

[tarkington]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

[girlwind]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

It didn't work and disturbed my sleep.

[demografx]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

I did a POIS Forum search of relora, 400+ references where it's mentioned, results below:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=

[martin88]

From the company given by Girlwind they have a list of single herbs. One is for premature ejaculation and kidney deficiency : psoralea fruit
http://www.suntenglobal.com/products/show01.php?ID=1294
But I suppose this should be prescribed by a TCM practitionner.

I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

Counterpoints and John don't have fatigue in pois. You're lucky ! How many minutes are you able to run (or any other cardio exercise, where a good endurance is needed)?

[demografx]

I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.

[pyropeach]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

I've been trying Relora for about a week now and had several releases over that time frame.  So far the symptoms have been reduced by about 65%. 

[martin88]

I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.

Interesting, If you have fatigue in pois it shouldn't be caused by low blood pressure. But maybe you are less fatigued than I am.

[martin88]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

It didn't work and disturbed my sleep.

If you don't have enough cortisol and if relora is decreasing cortisol perhaps it's the reason. I'll test my cortisol before taking relora.

[tarkington]

ok thanks for trying pyropeach that is excellent news

[demografx]

I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.

Interesting, If you have fatigue in pois it shouldn't be caused by low blood pressure. But maybe you are less fatigued than I am.

I am VERY fatigued in POIS.

[demografx]

so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

I've been trying Relora for about a week now and had several releases over that time frame.  So far the symptoms have been reduced by about 65%. 

3 positive relora results so far: Tarkington, Limejuice and Pyropeach. Please keep reporting/posting!

And please read the cautionary and testing posts about relora!

[John21 (OP)]

Demografx,

I'm thinking of downgrading my 75% POIS/Levitra cure to 50%, because the last 2 times were a little disappointing. Maybe my placebo effect lasted over a year!

As POIS is hard to describe, evaluating it's intensity is equally difficult. 50%, 75% are very rough approximations.


My sense is that most of us have the same basic problem, yet something different in our bodily environments make the symptoms vary, as is the case with many illnesses. I can confidently say I have never had physical exhaustion symptoms, but don't anyone think I got off easy, perhaps my mental exhaustion was all the more severe.  []

I had an NE four days ago and I had zero symptoms again. Again I am not sure what is responsible for this. After the NE in the morning I had some raw garlic, which I only took occasionally the previous week. What I have been taking daily is: Vit D and Bacopa. I also had consumed a small amount of ground fenugreek seeds (mortise and pestle), and the morning after I tried a rosemary tea. What do I suppose helped me? I have no idea! Due to my sporadic supplementing style my results will take a long time to make sense of. I doubt that Bacopa is helping because I feel no reaction to it at all, it is just something I read about and wanted to try.

Edit: Just to record all details: I realized I have also added yogurt to my daily diet for over a week previous to the NE.
Edit2: The yogurt ingredients include chicory root inulin, and inulin is also present in garlic.