[demografx]

 [] [] A Cure For POIS???  [] []

This comment was posted at Girlwind's POIS YouTube video site:

"Semen is high in fructose. Orgasm releases semen so the fructose and glucose in the blood are used to replenish, causing hypoglycemia. Most of these symptoms are hypoglycemia related. Eat some fruit and rest 12 minutes after orgasm."

Can we all celebrate now? []

[demografx]

Forum tech disruptions

Everyone is frustrated, I've written complaints. Another one today.

For now, hitting the "Refresh" button is all I can suggest! []


Thanks for you patience, everybody!

[demografx]

I don't want to spend my life studying endocrinology.

I didn't either, and now look what I've gotten myself into! I have become the resident blood test referral service for hormones. 
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I can think of worse careers... []

[GoingCrazy]

Demografx, you recently said that no matter how long you abstain from orgasm the effects will still be there after orgasm. (sorry for my inability to quote) How long did you remain celibate for?

[demografx]

Demografx, you recently said that no matter how long you abstain from orgasm the effects will still be there after orgasm. (sorry for my inability to quote) How long did you remain celibate for?

I've gone 2-3 months many a time. Very disappointing, I thought "recovery time" would work. It never did.

[demografx]

Consider that some MDs are to busy to research the latest hormone studies/information and that their not people who are sick.  I didn't sign up for a career in hormone research but it's what I got to do and where I am in life.

TSH Update - I've taken 50mgs of presecription T4 for one week, now.  No noticeable changes so far.  I'm hoping one day I wake up shiny and squeeky clean.

Excellent points, Limejuice!

And best wishes with the T-4! Shiny and squeaky clean would be nice!

ps - someone once told me, "find a doctor with POIS and you'll get results!" Talk about motivation.....

[demografx]

sorry for my inability to quote

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=help;page=post#quote

[underwater]

Re: Fructose and chewing gum with phenylalanine----
Demo and Goingcrazy:
In the past I have noticed short term, surprising mood enhancement when I have chewed gum with phenylalanine. I just thought it was me or a freak occurrence. I will focus more on this. Also, I have always felt significantly better when I have had a large fruit salad made by my wife. This is no matter what my situation, GAD or POIS. Again, I haven't really focused on this much. I have done some research into hypoglycemic reactions, but I haven't seriously gone into it re: POIS. My wife has been yelling at me for 20 years to each "much more" fresh fruit. Again, she's probably right and I'm a stubborn fool. Maybe I'll move a "reaction up" and try some Pheylalanine instead of L Tyrosine and see what happens (in the dopamine production sequence). This last week I've feel like a friggin pin ball or better yet a random ping pong ball in the lottery machine.

[underwater]

B_JIM

[] Forget fructose depletion theory of youtube's comment. ? ? ? ? ?

As an athlete, POIS/GAD may be a bit more complex, as my blood sugar fluctuates a lot.
POIS is bad enough, but when you are naturally fatigued, it is definitely worse.
Granted, the fructose depletion theory is not an answer, but sugar [whether fructose, glucose, maltose, galactose etc] may not only play a part for highly active individuals, but anyone who might naturally get fatigued. We all need proper metabolism or our bodies can't do anything; this means synthesizing proteins, hormones or anything else. This is why breathing and oxygen are essential also.

[Counterpoints]

I'm ready to make the tests recommanded by Michael, Girlwind and others but  only in blood, not saliva :/ I would prefer saliva tests at least for cortisol and Dhea. The good point is i will test pregnenolone too. That's a good point for me considering my low cholesterol.


 [] Forget fructose depletion theory of youtube's comment. 

In the blood, cortisol is linked to corticosteroid binding globulin (CBG).
On the saliva, cortisol is free.

I would seriously consider 24 hr urine catecholamine, metanephrine and cortisol tests, given possible link to pheochromocytoma, and also the article on the neuroendocrine response to orgasm, and also our own speculation about catecholamines.

Good luck!

[underwater]

Also with respect to Metabolism etc:
Keep in mind that the only reported cure for POIS in this forum has been from an incredibly fit 24 year old athlete/boxer. I can tell you that his routine probably is quite exhausting.  Elite athletes also pay attention to their physiques, and tend to develop muscle easier. Young athletes tend to have great metabolism and an ability to sustain discomfort. Endorphins are at their call. I experienced this in my late 20's and early 30's. I submit there is a big difference in circulation, metabolism, recovery time, and general physiological response between an elite, young athlete and one who is not. Might these factors have an impact on POIS? 

[GoingCrazy]

Re: Fructose and chewing gum with phenylalanine----
Demo and Goingcrazy:
In the past I have noticed short term, surprising mood enhancement when I have chewed gum with phenylalanine. I just thought it was me or a freak occurrence. I will focus more on this. Also, I have always felt significantly better when I have had a large fruit salad made by my wife. This is no matter what my situation, GAD or POIS. Again, I haven't really focused on this much. I have done some research into hypoglycemic reactions, but I haven't seriously gone into it re: POIS. My wife has been yelling at me for 20 years to each "much more" fresh fruit. Again, she's probably right and I'm a stubborn fool. Maybe I'll move a "reaction up" and try some Pheylalanine instead of L Tyrosine and see what happens (in the dopamine production sequence). This last week I've feel like a friggin pin ball or better yet a random ping pong ball in the lottery machine.

Yes, the Phenylalanine definitely has some good qualities, for me (a quick gum chewer), sunday night (the night I had sex) I just began to chew 5 big red gum, but not only did I just have one piece, I would say I had 10 pieces within half hour.  It enhances your mood, but also makes you sweat and feel hot.  I would say its worth it and definitely has something to do with POIS.  I might just have two chew 3 packs of 5 big red gum for 3 days to reduce the after effects of sex.

[underwater]

Wow, Goingcrazy------
You just answered questions that I was about to ask. Thank you!
Could you please tell me the brand of this gum?
thanks

[GoingCrazy]

Wow, Goingcrazy------
You just answered questions that I was about to ask. Thank you!
Could you please tell me the brand of this gum?
thanks

It is called 5 Flare,  you can see it here.      http://theconsumerscorner.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/5-gum.jpg

[CertainlyPOIS]

Demografx, you recently said that no matter how long you abstain from orgasm the effects will still be there after orgasm. (sorry for my inability to quote) How long did you remain celibate for?

I've gone 2-3 months many a time. Very disappointing, I thought "recovery time" would work. It never did.

How do you go 2-3 months without orgasm when nocturnal emission is waiting for you. Nowadays i recover and NE sends me right back into cycle, any thoughts on controlling that.     

[CertainlyPOIS]

CC, haven't heard from Jane Ashby yet, but at least SSTAR forwarded my letter to the "right" Jane Ashby.

Nice job on that, i wish she responds faster to see whether has good information. 
Do you think they will rather have us come to their program.

[Limejuice]

Ever since sleeping on my side, I don't get NEs.  Occationally I'll roll on my back or chest unintentionally while sleeping and an NE will happen.

[girlwind]

Also with respect to Metabolism etc:
Keep in mind that the only reported cure for POIS in this forum has been from an incredibly fit 24 year old athlete/boxer. I can tell you that his routine probably is quite exhausting.  Elite athletes also pay attention to their physiques, and tend to develop muscle easier. Young athletes tend to have great metabolism and an ability to sustain discomfort. Endorphins are at their call. I experienced this in my late 20's and early 30's. I submit there is a big difference in circulation, metabolism, recovery time, and general physiological response between an elite, young athlete and one who is not. Might these factors have an impact on POIS? 

I think overall fitness is a big factor in recovery from any condition. But the other side of the story is that someone
who IS SO FIT managed to get POIS in spite of it. So that says that endocrine functioning can be seriously adversely
affected by working out TOO HARD and burning the adrenals too intensely, no matter what one's fitness level is. It
also says that with the right treatment this endocrine depletion could be remedied. I think it's a good & hopeful sign.

[demografx]

CC, haven't heard from Jane Ashby yet, but at least SSTAR forwarded my letter to the "right" Jane Ashby.

Nice job on that, i wish she responds faster to see whether has good information. 
Do you think they will rather have us come to their program.

It sounds like a good program, but I'm not near Arlington. Besides, if she doesn't respond there will be others.

[demografx]

Demografx, you recently said that no matter how long you abstain from orgasm the effects will still be there after orgasm. (sorry for my inability to quote) How long did you remain celibate for?

I've gone 2-3 months many a time. Very disappointing, I thought "recovery time" would work. It never did.

How do you go 2-3 months without orgasm when nocturnal emission is waiting for you. Nowadays i recover and NE sends me right back into cycle, any thoughts on controlling that.     

I finally found the solution to NE's: aging. (No, I'm not saying how old []) But I've dropped hints.