[demografx]

Underwater, in one of your recent posts you wrote that the nervous system probably will need some time to acclimate to a new POIS-free body/mind. I'm finding that to be true, so thank you.

[RhythmSpring]

pois sufferer- My chiropractor, who is also a reflexologist tests my adrenals from time to time, did so the other day and noted they were very weak. I just started taking B vitamins, and extra b-5 for support.

demografx- what's preventing me? Well, I'm already dealing with rheumatoid arthritis, which is a lot of work and time, especially as a 19 year old attending college... I feel a little overwhelmed, especially when trying to have a social life with all this stress.

[Counterpoints]

RhythmSpring, what's preventing you from solving the POIS puzzle by simply continuing to practice the art of retention and avoiding release altogether?

If "retention" worked for me, I still wouldn't be able to do this.  It only increases cravings, or it doesn't affect them.  So eventually something would have to give.

[demografx]

Counterpoints, the Taoist-method of "retention" means climax but without expelling any fluid.

[demografx]

I've learned the art of the male internal/multiple orgasm, where you orgasm without expelling any fluid. And when I do THAT, there is no hangover.

RhythmSpring, what's preventing you from solving the POIS puzzle by simply continuing to practice the art of retention and avoiding release altogether?

demografx- what's preventing me? Well, I'm already dealing with rheumatoid arthritis, which is a lot of work and time, especially as a 19 year old attending college... I feel a little overwhelmed, especially when trying to have a social life with all this stress.

I don't understand. I thought we were discussing what you learned, "the art of the male internal/multiple orgasm". I asked why not use that to solve POIS, since you then "have no hangover"?

[RhythmSpring]

Oh, sorry- I actually failed to finish reading your question.

I did do that for a while, retention, etc. It actually was a very heart opening, energizing thing.

However, having POIS makes it very stressful: if I accidentally ejaculate, I basically have to endure another 3 weeks of mental haze and low emotional energy, so there's a lot of pressure amidst the bliss.

Also, I want to have sex normally. I'm in college, ya know?

[demografx]

Yes, I certainly understand. I practiced that technique and is it ever awkward! Besides, it didn't work for me as well as it did for you. That's why I was intrigued with your experience.

[demografx]

Mister_z, you wrote that you were a bit baffled with your high libido/low testosterone. I'm also baffled that several years back I had high libido yet my testosterone treatment works very well on my POIS. (My current testing shows low T-levels). I wasn't tested back then, but it's reasonable to think that my T-levels were also low then since my POIS seems linked to low T-levels.

Well, I'll quit agonizing, I'm thrilled that I found effective treatment.

[Limejuice]

Update:

I may have found a cure to carb sensativity.  I've experiemented with Tribulus Terrestris for 7 days and it appears to increase glucose tolerance.  I'm concerned however because I need to double the recommended dose to experience a full cure

Carb sensativity effects me in and out of POIS.  It is perhaps the most annoying symptom of this illness.  However, I'm becoming to think it is not an orgasm illness - it may be a hormone illness.  I expereince some symptom triggers all the time like carbs, hot showers, adrenaline thrills.  These triggers bring the same symptoms as orgasm and happen immediately after occurance, just like orgasm.  Orgasm symptoms are more intense than other triggers and thats how I first associated it as orgasm illness.

The Tribulus Terrestris is suppose to raise hormone LH which raises hormone Testosterone.  When I take Tribulus Terrestris it acts within a half hour and its effects last for 3 to 4 hours.  I plan on exeriementing more with the supplemenet.

[pyropeach]

Oh, sorry- I actually failed to finish reading your question.

I did do that for a while, retention, etc. It actually was a very heart opening, energizing thing.

However, having POIS makes it very stressful: if I accidentally ejaculate, I basically have to endure another 3 weeks of mental haze and low emotional energy, so there's a lot of pressure amidst the bliss.

Also, I want to have sex normally. I'm in college, ya know?

Just wanna reiterate now that this idea has more attention that retention has worked extremely well for me to regain a great deal of mental focus and energy while experiencing POIS symptoms.  I thought it might have to do with the levels of epinephrine, norepinephrine, testosterone, and dopamin reaching increased levels and remaining at those increased levels because the orgasm wasn't completed.  Otherwise, these levels would just return to normal, or in our case, possibly sink too low. 

RythmSpring - If it makes you feel any better, I'm in college too, and I know it freakin sux to see hawt girls everywhere and people getting into relationships, and knowing you have POIS.

[demografx]

B_Jim, what type enzymatic functions will you explore? Sounds very interesting.

[demografx]

Limejuice, great work you're doing!

[demografx]

Pyro, thanks for bringing forth more experience about retention. And I empathize with how POIS can royally damage young relationships!

[underwater]

Demo--
I've noticed with my approach to GAD that the healing process is slow. Yet I am making steady progress. I have connected the dots from GAD to POIS. For me, it seems overwhelmingly clear that histamine and epinephrine act as triggers for both. But I know that GAD will be resolved first. My anxiety/panic episodes are clearly diminshing. Now, how do I take this progress to help solve the problem of POIS?
Well, first of all, I have finally completed my best basket of vitmains and minerals.
I have located three major areas of my body that require deep tissue massage to resolve major discomfort (This is a work in progress). I now keep Benadryl rather than Claritin by my bed (children's liquid). Electrostimulation of lower back and pelvis are fabulous. I am cautiously optimistic. I am glad things are going well for you. I wouldn't be surprised that for some of us older guys, the healing process for POIS may take a couple of years to completely disappear.

POIS-SUFFERER---As you can see, I have GAD also. My intitial symptoms are basically somatic. The depression and mild fatigue follow. I also have allergies. My psychiatrist and I both believe that it will take time for my serotonin and norepinephrine to show their full inhibitory effects. What I have learned is that this process takes time. With berries, cherries etc., supplements, the security of Claritin/Benadryl (as a blunter of POIS, but no cure), chiropractic, massage, hydration, walking instead of swimming, etc. etc. I have made steady progress. The big test will be the LEAP from GAD improvement to POIS reduction. I am confident, but can't expect a miracle. My nervous system is getting stronger, but what a slow process!! Confidence builds slowly and there is light at the end of the tunnerl. We each have to discover our own path to POIS reduction, maintenance of reduction, and finally a cure. For me I kow this will be up and down like my GAD. But ultimately it will be more up than down.

[Counterpoints]

I expereince some symptom triggers all the time like carbs, hot showers, adrenaline thrills.  These triggers bring the same symptoms as orgasm and happen immediately after occurance, just like orgasm.  Orgasm symptoms are more intense than other triggers and thats how I first associated it as orgasm illness.

Hot showers? Amazing.  Me too.  Do you still get symptoms if your head does not come in contact with the water?

[demografx]

Hot showers can really do me in!

I feel "flushed" and dissipated for minimum 24 hours. Last time, it lasted 48!

[demografx]

Underwater, I took Benadryl yesterday afternoon for testosterone-patch itching. It kept me up all night!

Underwater, it seems like you're really making progress! Rooting for ya.

And thanks again for the explanation about aging/healing. My "rapid" POIS progress would probably be zooming by now!

[ajs]

underwater, you seem to have the same things going on as i do....check out l-methionine for allergies and look at        low stomach acid symptoms and candida symptoms for systemic fungus

[antimorbit]

Hey peoples. 27/M/Australia.  just yelling out to all the POIS sufferers out there. I've had it for just over 10 years now, and its such a relief to know im not the only one. ill be doing a short hand version of my case and putting it out there for others to reflect on as soon as i can. ( i need some rest first ) i have to mention the video (

) Im going to show it to everyone who is close to me so they can understand what i am going through and that im not crazy o_O    ... such a relief to know im not alone. thanks to everyone that contributes to this forum and cheers to anyone thats undertaking the trials of self healing.

[demografx]

SPERM REGENERATION

I can't prove it, but it seems that this plays a role in my POIS. Cause or effect, again, I don't know.

Before successful treatment, it would take me weeks, perhaps months, to feel "full" again. Now it's a matter of hours or days!