[Nick_B_85]

Here's a copy of the email I just sent an old friend:

Hey Josh,

I have good news!

During a med-clinic at the Four County Counciling Center I mentioned my Brain Fog symptoms to the Advanced Practice Nurse in order to clarify the circumstances of the panic attacks I had had a few times recently. She reacted with curiosity, and when I described the symptoms in detail, she said it sounded like ADD. She said that, with what I had told her, she "would be remiss" if she didn't prescribe a psychostimulant such as Adderall or Ritalin.

So, last Thursday I started Adderall and it has brought me an unbelievable relief from the Brain Fog!! Truth be told, even without being celebate I feel better on the Adderall than I did when celebate before. I have a bountiful store of energy, and my mind is much more focused. I've been able to sit down and apply my self to my studies with wonderful results. My mood is lifted and my hopes for the future have finally become the aspirations that motivate my actions in the present.

I now have the resources to work through my Depression and Social Phobia, and get back to where I belong... in school! Four County is helping me to find work that suits my inclinations and needs, and once I have a stable job, I will start taking classes again.

So congratulate me!

Later,

Nick

[POIS-SUFFERER]

Nick_B_85 well... this is interesting.... not sure what to think of that!

PS.

[martin88]

I'm late but thank you Rock for your information, this was helpful, specially your day 3 testosterone test and the post about chinese medicine.
I'm wondering if the high testosterone right after orgasm could be caused by sexual arousal rather than orgasm..

Counterpoints, your statistic about pituitary is disconcerting. Unfortunately it's not easy to have a MRI done.
Interesting about antidepressants and prolactin. If prolactin is linked with sexual satisfaction it can eventually be good when sexually abstinent.
Also found that Deprenyl (was mentioned here recently) is helpful to treat cushing (veterinary usage !)

[POIS-SUFFERER]

I'm wondering if the high testosterone right after orgasm could be caused by sexual arousal rather than orgasm..

I can get maybe 70% POIS :-) just from over stimulation and NO O! hmmm....

PS.

[martin88]

B_JIM,

Do you really need sugar to do that, 2 O's would do it for me! Seems overkill.....

Hi PS, I think B_Jim really wants to find something after a life of frustrating normal tests results when in fact nothing is perfect. But same for me about 2 orgasms.
 

[GoingCrazy]

I really think this whole thing is caused by soaring prolactin which in turn lowers testosterone production.  So celibacy could probably lower prolactin levels so your testosterone could get back up to par.  I also wouldn't be surprised if i had a prolactinoma... and dopamine levels rise after remaining celibate so maybe if there is one it could shrink.

[martin88]

I'm wondering if the high testosterone right after orgasm could be caused by sexual arousal rather than orgasm..

I can get maybe 70% POIS :-) just from over stimulation and NO O! hmmm....

PS.

Since you are supposed to feel good during sex I think something happens somewhere to make you feel good even if it's temporary.
I just wanted to bring up the possibility that if a test value is changed after orgasm it can be from something else. For example noradrenaline is increased just before orgasm. As usual I'm swimming in the unknown !
In fact I don't even know if testosterone is really higher after orgasm but there was several reports about this.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

martin88,

Yes I was not being sarcastic, rather, I was thinking that "overdosing" on both at the same time would lead to not knowing what really cased the potentially high/low results of the test.... I would think you need to do one or the other and test twice :-( not an easy task for many reasons!

I too am getting very tired of this whole thing as it is really ruining my life! If I could just put SEX and O's behind me I think I would be OK.... until I got stuffed on too many carbs....

PS.

[demografx]

I really think this whole thing is caused by soaring prolactin which in turn lowers testosterone production.  So celibacy could probably lower prolactin levels so your testosterone could get back up to par.  I also wouldn't be surprised if i had a prolactinoma... and dopamine levels rise after remaining celibate so maybe if there is one it could shrink.

I have "soaring prolactin" which seems to be hyperprolactinemia. According to wikipedia, it is often caused by Rx drugs such as Reglan. With my endo's concurrence, I quit Reglan and combined with my daily testosterone patches, I hope to see my June bloodtest show a decreased prolactin count (my last tests show prolactin to be 4X average!)

[demografx]

Nick, Adderall has helped me enormously, similar to the way you describe.

[demografx]

B_Jim, I am like POIS-SUFFERER, 2X for me is "le petit mort"  - overkill. I had 3X a few days ago and it reduced my cure dramatically this time.

So that + carbs/sugar...I hope you're OK!

[demografx]

I too am getting very tired of this whole thing as it is really ruining my life! If I could just put SEX and O's behind me I think I would be OK.... until I got stuffed on too many carbs....

PS.

P-S, I totally understand! It ruined much of my life for over 30 years. But I decided to keep fighting and keep searching! DON'T GIVE UP!

[demografx]

Martin, good to see you back posting!

[martin88]

I really think this whole thing is caused by soaring prolactin which in turn lowers testosterone production.  So celibacy could probably lower prolactin levels so your testosterone could get back up to par.  I also wouldn't be surprised if i had a prolactinoma... and dopamine levels rise after remaining celibate so maybe if there is one it could shrink.

Hi GC,
I agree with you. There are also other methods of treatment (Dr Waldinger was treating pois sufferers with antiandrogens...)

Did someone try vitamin A to help pois ? It's involved in skin problems, testosterone production, inflammation, allergies,...
It seems to help for me (halibut liver oil).
-Proteins and vitamin A are working together.
-Low fat diet (saturated fat) causes vitamin A deficiency.
-Zinc is necessary for vitamin A metabolism.
-And thyroxine or iodine I don't remember, are necessary for vitamin A absorption in tissues.
In chinese medicine vitamin A is classified yang, like vitamins D,E,K,B6,biotin,sodium.

[martin88]

Martin, good to see you back posting!

Thanks.

B_Jim, I am like POIS-SUFFERER, 2X for me is "le petit mort"  - overkill. I had 3X a few days ago and it reduced my cure dramatically this time.

So that + carbs/sugar...I hope you're OK!

if testosterone is not the solution for pois, mean if there are other deficiencies in pois you're probably aggravating the whole thing, really hope I'm wrong .

[Ambient123]

Hey Demografx,

I was reading about your cure, and you say that more than one orgasm per day diminishes the effectiveness of your cure?

May i ask, do you administer your cure after every orgasm, or just once a day?

P.S (To whom it may concern), an interesting article/piece of information was brought to my attention for those who feel pain during and after orgasm. It would seem that this pain you feel (for those applicable) after orgasm is due to certain Neurotransmitters being "burned" as they say. Interesting reading.

There are other topics on the page, so look for the one called "ORGASM BRINGS PAIN"

Hope this is helpful:

http://uk.askmen.com/dating/dzimmer/36_love_answers.html

[demografx]

if testosterone is not the solution for pois, mean if there are other deficiencies in pois you're probably aggravating the whole thing, really hope I'm wrong .

I was reading about your cure, and you say that more than one orgasm per day diminishes the effectiveness of your cure?

May i ask, do you administer your cure after every orgasm, or just once a day?

I think Martin and Ambient are asking similar things.

Martin, testosterone is the solution for my POIS.

I take testosterone every morning, "365 days/year," applying 2 new testosterone patches, total 10mg. This ensures a steady flow of testosterone to my system, mimicking the way it works naturally in the body.

I am 90%+ POIS-free if I do not exceed 1X every 2-3 days. This is miraculous, I haven't been able to do that for decades! But if I exceed this limit, my % POIS-free is reduced from 90%, in direct proportion to frequency: 2X is better than 3X, 1X is better than 2X, etc. Ideally I need to limit it to 1X. Even with multiplying, the way I feel with reduced POIS is amazingly good!

To me, that is my body describing it's limits (refractory period, etc.). Keep in mind, for comparison , that my limit before treatment - what my body could tolerate - was 1X every 2 months! And even then POIS was absolutely horrendous, 4 days of wracking body/mind/emotional agony plus painfully gradual re-adjustment to "normality" taking up to 2 weeks.

We all have limits, I believe. For some of us, it has been theorized that exceeding those limits contributed to our creating POIS in the first place.

Also keep in mind that limits are age-related. I've been dealing with POIS now for over 30 years, which has also I think created less "elasticity", due to so many repeated bouts of POIS hammering away mercilessly at my system for so many years.

Also, as Underwater points out, it can take the body up to 2 years to adjust to this new, POIS-free life.

An extra benefit is that I feel better all the time: increased vitality, much less depression, generally a much better "zest for life".

I'm very happy with this POIS solution. I didn't ask for The Fountain Of Youth []


This painting by Austrian artist Eduard Veith shows a scene at
the mythical Fountain of Youth. Throughout history, people have
sought magical ways to restore their youth.

[demografx]

ORGASM RESEARCH

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/scimedemail/la-he-orgasm11feb11,0,7196643.story

about nervous system/brain research on orgasm. They said it's just now starting to be understood. Some names in the article: Barry Komisaruk, Prof/author, Rutgers; Dr. Gert Holstege, Univ. of Groningen, Netherlands; Beverly Whipple, retired Rutgers, author of "Science of Orgasm".

Counterpoints, maybe this article would be good for wikipedia reference? And "Science of Orgasm" book?

[Counterpoints]

ORGASM RESEARCH

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/scimedemail/la-he-orgasm11feb11,0,7196643.story

about nervous system/brain research on orgasm. They said it's just now starting to be understood. Some names in the article: Barry Komisaruk, Prof/author, Rutgers; Dr. Gert Holstege, Univ. of Groningen, Netherlands; Beverly Whipple, retired Rutgers, author of "Science of Orgasm".

Counterpoints, maybe this article would be good for wikipedia reference? And "Science of Orgasm" book?

Certainly.

Also: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/reprint/23/27/9185

And:
1) Interview with Dr. Gert Holstege: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/stories/s1407052.htm

2) Central nervous system control of ejaculation.
Author: Holstege G.
Publisher: World Journal of Urolology. 2005 May 4;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15875196&query_hl=1

3) The Emotional Brain: Neural Correlates Of Cat Sexual Behavior And Human Male Ejaculation
Author: Holstege, G., Georgiadis, J.R.
Publisher: Progress In Brain Research, vol. 143, 39-45, 2004.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14653149&query_hl=3

[demografx]

CP, if someone asks, "isn't POIS just psychosomatic?", what would you tell them?