[POIS-SUFFERER]

Does anyone here who suffers from POIS have a history of excessive masturbation?

Yep too much, my wife does not want sex, I do... I masterbate, point blank.

How long do you have to abstain before the symptoms become like POIS symptoms?

Well I can abstain for as long the "urges" do not start, once they start its a matter of 1/2 day max. And as you can read above it ends usutally in masturbation.

If I have sex sex usually POIS is less and urges start maybe 7 days later, masterbate gives worse POIS and urges start much sooner....

Its one hell of a cycle.

PS.

[ajs]

might be a stupid thought but i just wanted to through it out there....could we have a our own version of persistant genital arousal disorder (PGAD)?

[ajs]

a good PGAD site is hugthemonkey.com/oxytocin

[CertainlyPOIS]

Dean93 dont give up, you have reached your best source for inforamtion on how to go about destroying this pain in the butt.
It is good you discovered it early, trust me i have it in college and it sucks.

[CertainlyPOIS]

i was just reporting on sleeping sideways.  Sleeping sideways is great for preventing nocturnal emissions but it doesnt preven brain ogasms. I have been in pois twice because of brain orgasm without emission. I believe brain orgasms can be stoped if i sleep a maximum of 7 hours.
And also wrapping body into blanket helps prevent rolling over while sleeping.

sleeping sideways gives me and extra day or two out of pois.

sleeping sideways gives me an extra day or two without pois.

[demografx]

Amazing, I always thought brain orgasms without emission were always POIS-free.

[John21 (OP)]

Dean93,
I am in the same boat, staying chaste with the occasional NE. I keep NEs to a minimum by avoiding anything that would incite erotic images in my mind, like suggestive TV shows.  When I do have an NE I eat some raw garlic as it has seemed to help me in the past (bizarre, I know). There are other "natural" things that have helped people here, such as Relora and fenugreek. If you want to read what has been reported on them just do a search with the site and whatever terms included.

I believe that masturbation led to my POIS condition. I don't remember the exact age when I started but I guess it was around age 11. My suspicion is that masturbation can be damaging, and possibly more destructive to a neurological system that is not fully developed. This belief is reinforced by both my personal experience with POIS and my newfound Catholic faith.

I hope that this site helps you avoid the misery. []

[Dean93]

Thank you CCconfucius for the reassuring words.

John21, now I am finding it hard to remember, but i do think i tried to stay away from any sexual images, due to on instance where i went upstairs to avoid watching the TV show Greek. Despite this, when I felt good, I could appreciate a non sexual image of a beautiful woman.

I will most definitely try the raw garlic. I have always been adverse to taking pills, I wont even take tylenol if i have a headache, du to my belief that since we come from nature, things that come from nature will work better with our bodies. Not to say that if I had to take pills I wouldn't, I would just much rather use a natural remedy.

About masturbation:

In school, on the internet, and otherwise, the dominant idea is that masturbation is healthy and normal, not harmful in anyway and that everyone does it. If masturbation is the cause of POIS, which I believe it is, this is very bad. Even though they know it hurts them, some younger boys may continue to masturbate because of these messages, I know I did, because, perhaps, they are not mature enough to make the decision for themselves. Hopefully we can change this.

Thank you for your help and kind words.

I have a couple other issues/questions to bring up, but I dont want to say to much at one time.

Thank you again to everyone here at the forum

[Counterpoints]

Dean93,

I am in my mid twenties.  I started out with POIS about the same way you did, at about the same age.  My reaction was to cut all masturbation and pornography completely.  For the first 3-5 months this was really hard, but eventually I had NEs in a cycle, every 3 days or so.  This made it easier, although I would say I was still symptomatic about 30% of the time.  As the cycle continued for about 6 months, my symptoms diminished.

For awhile it affected my grades, but in the end, I still did well in high school.  You have to be tough, and just focus on your work as much you can.

Yes, this has affected my life, but if you are extremely disciplined it is manageable.  In a way, you are quite lucky to have found this forum at an early stage of POIS.  I went 10 years without any support whatsoever -- some people here have gone 30.  You have an opportunity to blunt the effects of POIS at an early age, which is really promising.

You should also realize that most people do not feel this way after orgasm.  Masturbation, etc., does not have this effect on them.  Also, it is unlikely that a random physician would be able to help you, or would understand what you're going through.  You're going to have to be thick skinned, and see multiple doctors (perhaps even multiple endocrinologists), etc.  I do not recommend naturopaths or "alternative practitioners", though some here would disagree with me.  Some alternative practitioners are well meaning and intelligent.  But many of them pretend to understand things they do not, which gives us false hope. Also, a rigorous education or understanding of human physiology, or of pharmaceuticals, is not required of them, and so is often lacking.  This combination leads to well-meaning but ultimately harmful advice. 

Finally, one thing I was quite worried about at your age was cumulative damage.  I am not concerned about this to the extent I once was.  In some ways, I am much smarter than I was at 17, etc.  We can also see that people here who have had this for 20-30+ years are still quite cogent.

PS. I would avoid alcohol, and recreational drugs of any kind (tobacco, pot, etc.).  They seem to consistently aggravate this condition.

[Dean93]

Thank you, Counterpoints, I will try my best to focus on my school work.

Are you saying that allowing your cycle of NEs to continue, your symptoms effected you less? To what degree?

About seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet. But this is something I will have to deal with on my own. Ideally I could find a common remedy and have that be it, but I know that may not work out.

I will also make sure not to allow myself to come into contact with any such drugs, none of my friends would do them so I think I should be okay.

Does anyone else experience the indifference that comes with POIS? It certainly does not help in curing it.

[demografx]

Does anyone else experience the indifference that comes with POIS? It certainly does not help in curing it.

Yes, Dean, indifference, apathy, "zoning out", are all unfortunately very common POIS elements. We try to fight it a little bit at a time.

About seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet.

Just a suggestion, maybe a starting point would be to have your Mom take you to see your regular doctor, describing some of your symptoms (without making a big deal out of "POIS" or "sex" - some people just don't react well initially with those terms. Focus on your symptoms), and then ask your doctor if he would agree to refer you to an endocrinologist. You can explain to the doctor that you have found that other people with this cluster of symptoms have benefited from having their hormones tested and treated accordingly, by an endocrinologist. Hormones such as testosterone, cortisol and several other key hormones. When you get to that point, check in with us again and we'll tell you what specific tests some of us have done. You can also search previous posts here.

This is only one idea. Maybe something else will work better. Perhaps you, or others here, might have another idea how to best approach this.

Dean, please keep in mind that none of us here are qualified to give you medical advice, or a diagnosis of whether or not you have POIS. We can only share our experience and hope that you find great success with your family's doctors.

Please let us know how things progress with you! We're glad to see you here.

[demografx]

We can also see that people here who have had this for 20-30+ years are still quite cogent.

You're too kind, Counterpoints! []

[martin88]

Martin88,
Have you thought more about testing your polling ideas here at the Forum?

I appreciate you talk to me about this since I think it can help us. I had some positive answers after I contacted a few people PM . It will be done soon or late, when I'll have time. I hope everybody will participate.

Very sad to see some guys in college who are starting their life with this problem.
Hello Dean, If I can make a suggestion to you and other concerned. Eventually you may be tempted to have a break at the end of college for a while (what I did!). Then it was very hard to come back, specially with pois, I had 2 friends in the same situation, so I think you'll save hard time if you keep sticking there. Just a little complement to the other very good posts..

 

[demografx]

Just a little complement to the other very good posts..[to Dean93]
 

I agree, Martin. Thanks everyone!

[demografx]

Dean93,

There are other "natural" things that have helped people here, such as Relora and fenugreek. If you want to read what has been reported on them just do a search with the site and whatever terms included.

Thanks, John! Dean: here is a way to search for previous posts on Relora and fenugreek, something you may wish to discuss with your doctor:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+fenugreek+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&btnG=Search

After you click on the above, find a post that seems interesting and click on that. Then use [Ctrl + F] (type a keyword(s) that best describes the post-summary you want), so that you can zero in easily on the post(s) you're looking for.

[demografx]

John21

I think we all owe a debt of gratitude - certainly I do! - to John for being the very first poster here 2 years ago.

It must have taken great courage to post on such a sensitive, controversial topic, and, for some people, even somewhat embarrassing.

The result of that initial post could have easily been negative/skeptical reply posts, very common on the internet. Instead it opened a floodgate of viewing and posting and is now the most authoritative place to get information about POIS.

Many people who scoured the planet emptyhanded for information and support for years now have a great resource, finally.

Thanks, John! []

[CertainlyPOIS]

On brain orgasm.
I have a very naughty dream that wakes me up without emission,i check to make sure since am so used to doing it.
That same day i feel like sh1t, i get the wierd fatigue and the talking dissapears.
That is my reason for believing it is just orgasm.

[CertainlyPOIS]

bout seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet. But this is something I will have to deal with on my own. Ideally I could find a common remedy and have that be it, but I know that may not work out.

You might need to suggest to your mom you are having a chronic headache so she can take you to doctor and then do what demografx said.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

bout seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about.

Endocrinologists are very common to be seen if they think its hormonal etc.. just going to your family doctors and telling him symptoms without the "sex talk" will most likely lead him to the Endo consultation.... this is going to be my approach and I am 40+ cause when you start talking about it in other terms they often start thinking depression and just want to put you on pills! for me this does not work, been there done that and now its Endo time!

Just go see familty doctor, if he brings up End great, if not just mention it and say maybe it would be a good idea to see one, if he gives you a referal I would hope most moms would not say anything other than "Your Going!"

PS.

[demografx]

John21

I think we all owe a debt of gratitude - certainly I do! - to John for being the very first poster here 2 years ago.

It must have taken great courage to post on such a sensitive, controversial topic, and, for some people, even somewhat embarrassing.

The result of that initial post could have easily been negative/skeptical reply posts, very common on the internet. Instead it opened a floodgate of viewing and posting and is now the most authoritative place to get information about POIS.

Many people who scoured the planet emptyhanded for information and support for years now have a great resource, finally.

Thanks, John! []

And let's not forget B_Jim, who came in next, and immediately began feeding us a tremendous amount of data...and has been organizing it since...plus great ongoing participation!

Not too long afterwards, Counterpoints came in next to create a very sophisticated survey system approach, with Martin88's help. And then all the regular posters who have come in since then...have kept this place booming! Thank you all!