[demografx]

Rocky, very exhaustive. Congratulations on taking these major steps!!

My endo wants to see my T-levels go to midrange normal by June or he'll increase my dose. So it may be interesting to see what your endo thinks about a goal for you.

Please keep us posted!

[demografx]

Jdubs, good to know what works for you. We're all different so some things that work for some people can backfire on others.

For example, relaxing by emission would work for me for 10 minutes, and then would quicky lead to a far more devastating POIS than if I had just left things alone. I'm sure that many others here experience the same.

My psychiatrist suggested to "expect less of yourself in POIS". I also found that forgetting thoughts about POIS symptoms as much as possible can help.

But as John points out, POIS can literally overwhelm any attempt at living happily or normally while symptomatic.

Many thanks for contributing your thoughts.

[Jdubs]

Yeah, exactly.

The first part of my post I was just explaining what might help calm down symptoms, and I think not thinking about it and staying positive (like you/psychiatrist feel) is the best way to go.

I'm not really sure if the fluids really work, but I just felt I forgot to drink often

EDIT//

One thing I wanted to ask about Relora.

I know that many people have found relief from this med., but it's only something that affects you WHILE you're in POIS, right? In another words, it only helps the symptoms and not the cause? For people having used Relora, are your symptoms weaker even if you don't use Relora after emission? Does it balance your hormones in any way long-term? Or is it only a short-term relief pill?

[demografx]

Jdubs, while you're waiting for replies, here are some past posts on relora:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

[POIS-SUFFERER]

So your T goes down.... does T go down after O for everybody in the population?

Or it this one of the issues?

If you had really low T, how do you normally feel if POIS was not in the picture?

PS.

[demografx]

I can't speak for Rocky, but before T-treatment, my vitality was low out-of-POIS.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

Define vitality please....

PS

[GoingCrazy]

weird thing happenned to me last night... i haven't orgasmed in about 10 days and last night i felt as if my vision problems and derealization went away.  I remember when you were talking about the frontal lobe of your brain being shut down (not referring to somebody specifically) but all of a sudden last night I felt as if it was turned on again.. I opened my eyes and it was as if i was cross-eyed and couldn't focus for a moment, but then i felt actually "de-derealized". I still feel like that now and haven't orgasmed since, hopefully I might have recovered at least somewhere.

[demografx]

Vitality? I agree with Merriam-Webster. The peculiarity distinguishing the living from the nonliving. Capacity to live and develop. Physical or mental vigor especially when highly developed. Power of enduring. Lively and animated character.

Simplified, it's just a feeling of well-being. Plus a touch of excitement =  being "alive".

Merriam-Webster's "vigor" above is  a good synonym.

[martin88]

So your T goes down.... does T go down after O for everybody in the population?

An italian study says testosterone is increased after orgasm.
Other study says T is increased at day 7 and then decreased  [].

An other says 3 weeks of sexual abstinence is the cause for higher levels of T but T levels are not changed after orgasm (the change is gradual ?)

Some hypothesis (not necessarily related to the studies above):
-The duration of abstinence before an orgasm(ex: 3 weeks abstinence vs one day or one hour) could be the cause for differents responses of the T levels after orgasms.

-Maybe pois is caused by hormones fluctuations rather than a clear deficiency.

One thing is sure, it's not easy to make conclusions with only one or two tests or cases.

[demografx]

Martin, don't some scientists also say there is an immediate drop afterwards? My sense is that there's no consensus.

[demografx]

It is now Day Zero, starting one hour ago and POIS symptoms are very mild. It's so amazing that I could've been spared 30+ years of repeat agony with just testosterone treatment!

[POIS-SUFFERER]

demo

See I wonder if T treatment is covering up POIS, or cures it....

If I take one of my Ativan 1mg, wait 20 minutes, have sex.... voila, no POIS.... and the lesser POIS symptoms I get in day 2 and 3 are very very low....

Its all very complicated.

PS.

[Counterpoints]

I'm not sure if total testosterone is an extremely useful test.  Several different testosterone tests might give you general trends... but I think it fluctuates quite a bit, especially in young people.

In late January, at around 9 am, my total testosterone measured 30 nmol/L. (I was symptomatic at the time).  This is at the very upper limit of normal... some might consider it high (it is out of range by some standard references).  In late April, at about 9 am, my total testosterone measured 17 nmol/L. (I was not symptomatic at the time).  This is sort of low-normal for a male adult.  However, I don't know if this kind of fluctuation is abnormal.

[Counterpoints]

rock27, deliberate masturbation can "break the cycle" of wet dreams. 

[demografx]

POIS-SUFFERER, you bring up an interesting point. But I do feel better in and out of POIS, I think, because my testosterone levels were deficient, and now they're approaching normalcy.

[martin88]

Martin, don't some scientists also say there is an immediate drop afterwards? My sense is that there's no consensus.

I never saw this. I can only suppose this is true, because a lot of pois symptoms are also low T symptoms.
However what is clear is the high prolactin afterwards. I think your endo wanted to decrease prolactin with testosterone ?

[demografx]

Yes, the endo hopes T will do that. And I quit Reglan, which often causes hyperprolactinemia. I would like to avoid non-benign medicines such as bromocriptine, which reduce prolactin.

My endo says that prolactin in men is not well understood. Symptoms are low libido and ED. In women, though, prolactin plays a clear role in lactation.

[martin88]

Yes, the endo hopes T will do that. And I quit Reglan, which often causes hyperprolactinemia.

I remember now that testosterone is closely linked with dopamine (which is decreased by prolactin.)
Effects of testosterone on neuronal nitric oxide synthase and tyrosine hydroxylase :
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6SYR-3X05CPV-1M&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=ce286cf9b5231b53efb2a828c57b487e

[Dean93]

This morning, after a week of being "out-of-pois", I had another NE. I wasn't dressed properly for preventing POIS, partially because I wasn't expecting it, but to be honest it was mostly because I didn't want to worry about POIS while I was out of it. I mean, who does?

I didn't think I would be having one anytime soon because my last emission was only eight days ago. Last time, it took 24 days. But after looking at my calendar (the one I use to record my emissions and ups and downs in energy) I saw that it had been 23 days since my last NE, the one that got me into pois again. I'm beginning to believe that that's the one that really counts.

I was planning on starting fenugreek, I had it coming in the mail actually but it didn't come soon enough. I did, though, have some leftover garlic. About 20 minutes after my NE I went and chopped two cloves of garlic and put it in the microwave (on high, I presume) for 11 seconds. I added some ketchup and crushed it with a spoon, mentally prepared and ate it. My brother and sister, who haven't been within 10 feet of me are complaining of the smell, so I'm going to jog up to a local convenience store, to work the garlic out of my system (good idea?) and buy some mints and gum.

I hope this works, and I also hope I can find a way to deal with the smell. Last time, it took two days for my symptoms to really set in. I'll report anything that I notice, and in 2-3 days, I should have an answer about garlic after an emission, hopefully.