[Pronobis]

Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French

I just deleted a long post of mine, initially excited when I saw #1 Google results by searching on several words from Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French.

But I then thought that maybe the search engine in France might work differently from ours. So I searched again, this time using Google.fr (Google France) and then...everything was turned upside down. I couldn't find the posts even in the first 3 pages of results!

I tried Google.fr once again, this time adding "POIS" to Pronobis' and Martin's words. Sure enough, we came up #1. But that's cheating[] So...I guess we have more work to do to figure this out!

You are right Demo, I have searched and I couldn't find. I don't think that people will search like you did. Only "fatigue après le sexe" and that's all. I will try to give a answer in French

[demografx]

 I suppose, the first thing that I should do is, like Demografx said, to test my testosterone.
 

Pronobis, testosterone is only one hormone that I was tested for. The other hormones are mentioned in my post addressed to you May 19, on Page 186, Message ID 253144.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg253144#msg253144

[demografx]

Pronobis, regarding Google, I think the answer lies in having numerous posts in French in order to have Google.fr recognize us. Unfortunately, that's just not practical for us to do here. If anyone sees this differently, please share your thoughts. Thanks much for the efforts here.

[Limejuice]

Hey guys.  Anybody wake up with excess "white stuff" in your mouth? I just realized I have candida and that is the main cause of my brain fog, it can cause hypoglycemia and a range of other symptoms.  Right now I am taking acidophilus, and eating non sugar/carbohydrate foods.  I believe this relates to pois somehow, maybe if some of you guys have candida.

Good discovery.  I'm curious to know if the acidophilus is effective.

[demografx]

Limejuice, nice to see you again.

goingcrazy, we've had a fair amount of discussion about candida. Here are some previous posts. To maximize the search of a specific message after you click on the link, use Ctrl + F and look for keyword(s) describing the post you're looking for.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=candida+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[Counterpoints]

I'm pretty sure POIS is not due to "candida".  It seems like naturopaths have been blaming yeast infections on pretty much every difficult to explain problem.  It doesn't seem like good science to me, and the odds that it has something to do with POIS are extraordinarily low IMO.  If there are some good scientific journal sources that could be used in a logical argument to dispute that assessment, please let me know.  I just don't want people to waste their time.

[demografx]

Thanks, CP, you bring a lot of scientific credibility to this forum.

[demografx]

B_Jim, I think the question is also whether or not candida is related to POIS.

[martin88]

Thank you very much Ambient for your post. About 5-htp there is an article on a site in french saying that peak-x can be present in 5-htp, however I think there is no proof it's harmful. See precautions :

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.passeportsante.net/fr/Solutions/PlantesSupplements/Fiche.aspx%3Fdoc%3D5_htp_ps&ei=R1gbSsvdLcqrtgen39TrDA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D5-htp%2Bpasseport%2Bsant%25C3%25A9%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_fr%26safe%3Doff

[demografx]

WHO PROJECT

Thanks to Pronobis' suggestion, we have completed a letter, ready to be sent to WHO (World Health  Organization).

This letter was drafted first by Martin, then Counterpoints, and it was so good I had nothing to add! (The truth is that I'm just too lazy : - )

Hopefully WHO can recommend a research source to further study POIS.

Thanks, everyone!

[CertainlyPOIS]

SWeet job everybody.  Another giant idea. If WHO recognizes this then we have made it.
Isnt there something that can be done about the wikipedia page it really dismisses pois as some  minor migrain.

[martin88]

Thanks to all! I think we'll wait a few days to send the letter just to correct minor errors. Then we'll write it here.

Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French

I just deleted a long post of mine, initially excited when I saw #1 Google results by searching on several words from Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French.

But I then thought that maybe the search engine in France might work differently from ours. So I searched again, this time using Google.fr (Google France) and then...everything was turned upside down. I couldn't find the posts even in the first 3 pages of results!

I tried Google.fr once again, this time adding "POIS" to Pronobis' and Martin's words. Sure enough, we came up #1. But that's cheating[] So...I guess we have more work to do to figure this out!

Pronobis, regarding Google, I think the answer lies in having numerous posts in French in order to have Google.fr recognize us. Unfortunately, that's just not practical for us to do here. If anyone sees this differently, please share your thoughts. Thanks much for the efforts here.

Demografx, it was very nice to see this problem with google.fr

I made a mistake, I put a "*" without space in front of the keywords. So if you search for "*maux de tête" you'll find it but you won't find "maux de tête" ... [] 
I made the correction, I think it will be updated. Otherwise I'll post it again. The page is still cached with the error :
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:IapIerABfdUJ:www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D6576.msg253397+*maux+de+t%C3%AAte+site:thenakedscientists.com&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr

I'm still thinking it's a good idea to write translations in our forum :
I think that trying to attract people from other countries, on the best existing site about pois, is  legitimate.
Our site should appear in google.fr. If google is not able to do this for now I hope it will be in the future. With time our forum will improve its ranking and perhaps things will change, even if it's true that google.fr gives the priority to french language.
Search engine optimization (SEO) is something which is constantly updated. The algorithms used by Google are always improving to adapt to many situations.

And anyway we can actually find in page 12 in google.fr the keyword entered by Pronobis:
http://www.google.fr/search?q=fatigue+apr%C3%A8s+le+sexe&hl=fr&start=110&sa=N
 
or page 22 (!) for these keywords : 
http://www.google.fr/search?q=fatigue+orgasme&hl=fr&start=210&sa=N


Best of all, some french people know that the most universal language is english so if they are doing some research in english they can put google.com in their start page instead of google.fr.
Also I see that google.com gives a lot of results in french as well.
Then if they search for "fatigue après le sexe" in google.com they'll find it immediately on page one:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fatigue+apr%C3%A8s+le+sexe&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
It's useful if they didn't think to search it with english keywords.

So I think nothing is lost!

[martin88]

An other possibility is that canadian people will search for french keywords. (a part of the country is bilingual, they speak french and english)

If they search this in google.ca, our forum is in the first page :
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=fatigue+apr%C3%A8s+orgasme&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3D

[demografx]

RE. MARTIN'S POSTS ABOVE ABOUT GOOGLE

Martin, thank you! I thought it wasn't possible, but you give many reasons to be hopeful! I'm not sure you covered it in your post, but certainly people in the U.S. of French ancestry or descent would search Google here and probably not Google.fr., even though the search terms might be in the French language.

Amazing how well we do in Google.ca, as you demonstrated.

Thanks again for all your excellent ideas!

[CertainlyPOIS]

I have an idea on spreading to different countries.
Am guessing other countries have blogs or like a yahoo question/answer.
We go to their yahooos ask/answer, ask and answer our questions on pois in their language and put a link to our website.
All we need is google translator.

[demografx]

Martin, thanks for posting that article on 5-HTP. I didn't realize it was that controversial! Perhaps potential users here should exercise caution and study up on it before trying it.

UC Berkeley's Wellness Letter has some serious cautionary advice about 5-HTP, concluding that "the potential dangers of 5-HTP outweigh any possible benefits."
http://www.wellnessletter.com/html/ds/ds5HTP.php

[demografx]

Isn't there something that can be done about the wikipedia page? It really dismisses pois as some minor migraine.

CC, we just need some patience for now. POIS was in danger of being deleted altogether.

As Counterpoints mentioned in a recent post, "I disagree with the person's editorial ideas; I don't think that one should follow protocol exactly, if it sacrifices the quality and accuracy of an article.  I'll probably leave the article as-is for awhile though, since there was a deletion debate and the result was keep."

[demografx]

The Science of Orgasm

This book reference has appeared authoritatively in a number of publications and on the Internet. One of the 3 authors of The Science Of Orgasm is an endocrinologist in Mexico. I was thinking of writing to him and inviting him to this forum and to see if he has any ideas on how we can further advance the little POIS research that has been done.

Any other ideas, thoughts, comments?

[CertainlyPOIS]

I will rather have that wiki page deleted but i guess you are right. 
On the science of orgasm, if mexico endocrinologist does not respond. I have the other two authors emails and have talked to both of them may be they can influence him.

[demografx]

That's terrific, CC!

What transpired in your discussions with the other two?