[demografx]

Does anyone else think that porn is the biggest waste of time and has no positive use? It really sucks to be addicted to something that's such a huge waste of time.
Not to mention, it's pure brain rot. Honestly, it has done nothing but makes my life complicated and miserable.

You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.

[beyondfrustrated]

But yes, I would avoid porn or sexually stimulating material, if you have POIS.  Generally, reducing sex-cravings, drive, addiction, seems to be helpful in minimizing the amount of time we spend affected by this problem. I notice I seem to be susceptible to porn and sex addiction.

Thanks for the advice Counterpoints. I think it makes logical sense.

You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.

demografx, My strong opinion reflects my frustration with an issue that has plagued my life. I apologize if
you were offended by it. I realize that there are people on this board who have no issues with pornography, and might take offence to me slamming it. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I do want to be honest, and I honestly wonder if sex issues, such as porn addiction, may have an affect on POIS.

[martin88]

even in periods when I was without any stimulant, I always had a hyper reaction to exercise.

Demo, this is interesting, maybe there is here a link with pois.


B_Jim, thank you for posting this graph. Epinephrine is released around the orgasm or after eating high GI food.
It's not clear for me if there will be more epinephrine release if the sexual activity is stopped after orgasm or 1 second before orgasm(no pois in this case for the majority of us). Any thoughts?

[demografx]

[beyondfrustrated], You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.

demografx, My strong opinion reflects my frustration with an issue that has plagued my life. I apologize if you were offended by it. I realize that there are people on this board who have no issues with pornography, and might take offence to me slamming it. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I do want to be honest, and I honestly wonder if sex issues, such as porn addiction, may have an affect on POIS.

Offended? No, not at all, quite the opposite, I was actually congratulating you on taking a strong stance! Many people feel like you do, but lack the courage to speak out clearly in the face of some contrary public opinion on the subject. Very well done, BF, and sorry that I didn't express myself correctly.

[demografx]

even in periods when I was without any stimulant, I always had a hyper reaction to exercise.

Demo, this is interesting, maybe there is here a link with pois.

Martin, I agree! Also, my extreme jet lag seems related to POIS as well.

My hyper reaction in the gym was so bad once that I almost started a physical fight with Arnold Schwarzenegger! (And my physique/build is only average).

[demografx]

postscript - Endocrinologist visit

I thought this may interest some of you: I asked my endo last week what he thought of POIS and neurotransmitters, e.g., serotonin.

His reaction was, "It's a great idea, but unfortunately the tests for neurotransmitters are just not that accurate today."

Anyone agree? Disagree?

[Finally]

BF. I have similar reliigous values as to you.  Depending on who you associate with can be important. When I was in  some churches many married people are sex addicts who couldn't overcome it and paired up with other sex addicts and now a ceremony doesn't cure that . They just now longer feel guilty.  But if you are trying to deal with an addiction to sex it is like being an recovering alcoholic and working in a bar.  Making you feel bad about you sexual feelings only will depress you and feel a need for "your drug" to deal with it.
When we were teens we all liked how it felt.  WE did it by ourselves privately and thought we were weird.  Of course pretty much everyone else was doing the same thing.  No one talks about it.  We live in a society obsessed with sexuality.

I have found that all arousel has some Pois effect.  The more intense the feeling which increases with porn to orgasm which it is over the top.  Even if I can stop before orgasm and cool down there is stiffness in my shoulders neck and/or back.
I will get a similar reaction to experiencing a stresful situation.  Both also are usually followed by a period of being depressed.

DEMO:  When you symptoms go from 90% better to 70% are symptoms increased across the board or some more than other

Question for all:  Does anyone feel that they have a greater or lesser or equal tolerance to pain than others ansd ids there an increase/decrease in or out of POIS?

[demografx]

DEMO:  When you symptoms go from 90% better to 70% are symptoms increased across the board or some more than other

Finally, all symptoms get a little worse and they last longer. At 90%, mild symptoms and they last a few hours, very tolerable. 70% can be, for example, Day Zero, lasting all day, but gone by the next day. Formerly, POIS was a 4-day affair. But can be intense. Very hard to quantify, I'm sure you understand.

Question for all:  Does anyone feel that they have a greater or lesser or equal tolerance to pain than others ansd ids there an increase/decrease in or out of POIS?

Generally, I have a lesser tolerance to pain than others it seems. Both psychic pain (I get upset too easily sometimes over nothing) and physical pain (if I have a cold, I will die []) Just your average male "baby".

[POIS Noise]

This is my first post in here, and I want to start off by saying thank you!
Thanks for being here and giving me the comfort I needed when I thought I was alone with this.

My name is Itamar, and i'm a 26 years old man from Israel.
ever since the age of 20 I think, I've been living with my POIS.
though I never had a name for it. (btw, I think the name POIS is scary as hell)
I came up with my own name a few years back, calling it "Rikundo"
it's sort of a funny if you know hebrew, a game play derived from "Rikun", the hebrew phrase for "To Empty".

my symptoms, as much as I can tell, are brain fog, digestion problems and overall fatigueness.
they usually last for about 4 to 8 days.
if I orgasm in my sleep even, I don't wanna wake up, I'm like a zombie. I'll easily skip the alarm clock in such a morning.
if I don't orgasm in a period of a week or more, I suddenly feel so powerful. like I'm in overdrive mode.

I have some questions I feel I have to ask you, maybe people asked them before but no one can read this giant thread.
here they are:

1. did you smoke ganja daily over a period of time?                                            Yes
2. are you thin / fat?                                                                         I'm Thin
3. when you masterbate, do you prolong the ejaculation or go for the prize full speed?         I prolong
4. are you a computer/tv addict?                                                               probably..

I'm sorry I must ask so bluntly such personal questions. It's just that I sometimes think that maybe my body
is missing Nutrients or something, maybe if I wasn't a Skinny, Pot Lover Nihilist none of this whould have happened to me.

today I don't smoke,
I also keep sex and masterbation to a minimum (which my girlfriend hated me for, till she dumped me)

for some years, I thought that everyone was on the same boat as me, and I actually thought I've discovered a secret way to get powerful and energetic.

lucky me...

[tarkington]

Hey everyone,
It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!

[POIS Noise]

considering the people here in this forum,
what is the best solution to date?

[John21 (OP)]

POIS Noise, I would suggest you try Relora, it is perhaps the best first trial.

Tarkington, who originally suggested using Relora, was it yourself? I tried to search the site but the earliest post mentioning it was you. If it was you then thanks! So far I have had only positive results.

[GoingCrazy]

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm still believing that candida could be the cause of all of this.  Think about it, when candida thrives, it overloads your whole gut.  When orgasm occurs, maybe candida is somehow attached to your hormones because they feed off of that.  Your hormones rush to your brain, leaving you with a hormone/candida feeling.  Why do some of you people  take garlic after orgasm? Because garlic is one of the best anti-fungals and kills off candida.  I have been taking probiotics the past week and a half, approximately 3 pills of 10 billion a day, and I half to say, my blurry vision went away, the anxiety pretty much completely vanished.  I also have been eating about 4 cloves a day starting a few days ago.  I have been feeling pretty much like my old self.  I follow a strict diet, too, no carbs or sugars that will feed the candida.  I orgasmed about 4 times in two days and have felt very little pois symptoms, if any.  I am still not going to orgasm for a few weeks ahead because I believe hormones may be the main food that candida thrives on.  So I'm encouraging some people to try it.  Buy some acidophilus and take that 3 times a day <- local health food store.  Trust me you will feel a lot better.

[Counterpoints]

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm still believing that candida could be the cause of all of this.

Don't be sorry!  Just because some of us are not yet convinced doesn't mean you shouldn't express your theories.

  Think about it, when candida thrives, it overloads your whole gut.  When orgasm occurs, maybe candida is somehow attached to your hormones because they feed off of that. 

Honestly this doesn't make sense.  And it's quite vague.  "maybe Candida is somehow attached to your hormones"? 

I have been taking probiotics the past week and a half, approximately 3 pills of 10 billion a day

Taking huge quantities of pills is often unnecessary, and potentially hazardous...  It's also very expensive.  Generally, before trying lots and lots of pills, I think it's important to have a fairly plausible scientific explanation for why you're doing this.  Experimentation has its merits, but I think it should be somewhat limited.

[GoingCrazy]

well, when candida is not controlled by the good bacteria in your gut it travels to different places where it naturally shouldn't be.  It will enter your bloodstream and settle in many different places including your brain.  One of the foods that candida loves is the hormones that our body creates.  So orgasm (releasing hormones) can feed the candida, making the candida emit toxins (POIS).  Probiotics are not "pills", they are basically the good bacteria that exist naturally inside every body, from your mouth to your anus.  They create a lot of necessary acids and vitamins your body needs to function.  Good bacteria stops the growth of candida.    []

[Dean93]

Hello everyone. My test results came back normal. I started taking 610 mg of fenugreek a day, I can't really say if it helped or not. I was doing fine until last week when I didn't have an orgasm, but I did stimulate myself, even though it was only for seconds, it brought on symptoms of POIS. I did it because I felt like I couldn't feel anything down there.

Has anyone ever gotten symptoms after stimulation without orgasm?

To beyondfrustrated: I've experience the same thing or rare occasions. I would masturbate without any kind of porn and it would feel completely different. I wouldn't have any symptoms afterward. I think it probably has something to do with the the brain and how it responds to a stimulus like porn and and one that comes for itself. Like one is real to the brain while the other doesn't register at all, I don't know. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense.

I suppose I'll look to trying relora, after some research. For those who have taken supplements like fenugreek and relora, do they only prevent symptoms after an orgasm or do they also get you out of POIS faster?

Thank you

[demografx]

POIS Noise, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!



Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[POIS Noise]

thank you so much demografx.

[John21 (OP)]

Dean93,

I suppose I'll look to trying relora, after some research. For those who have taken supplements like fenugreek and relora, do they only prevent symptoms after an orgasm or do they also get you out of POIS faster?

I have had almost no symptoms recently, other than perhaps some mild anxiety, nothing like my "typical" POIS was. I am attributing this to the Relora. Although I have continued with the garlic it hasn't produced results this positive before. The only other change I have had in my diet over the last months is that I eat some yogurt and blueberries daily. I mention this as it could be relevant to Goingcrazy's theory, but I did have one symptomatic episode after starting that, so it probably isn't relevant.

[demografx]

considering the people here in this forum, what is the best solution to date?

POIS Noise, for 30+ years I suffered POIS agony. Thanks to this forum and its emphasis on seeing an endocrinologist and getting labwork done, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now heals 90% of my POIS symptoms per episode, as long as I follow "reasonable" frequency guidelines, which I'm defining by experimenting. If I don't pay attention to frequency, it drops to 70% or less.

I certainly don't recommend testosterone as any sort of "blanket" cure for everyone. One should visit an endocrinologist and get as many hormone bloodtests as possible.

I don't think there's any one "best" solution. Everyone's different.