[GoingCrazy]

I don't think I've met anyone in my LIFE who DOESN'T have a "Candida symptom" []

Yes one symptom, but when you almost got the list! thats another thing.... there are all sorts of disconnected symptoms that seem connected to Candida, I have always had achy joints.... this alone everyone gets, mine started at 30. But now through in always slightly dizzy, off balance, mental fog, hard to find words, small persistant headaches, itchy anus, anxiety, a heavy use of antibiotics in my earlier life, different bowel issues, GERD, bad heart burn, itchy skin, allergies to smells like perfume.... its all painting a picture....

Now I do not say, YET, that it is Candida, I will see DR, see what he says..... get tests if any and go from there....

PS.

POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

[demografx]

the "near beer" is actually 0.5%. My reaction to it is not POIS-like. When I drink a normal beer and have a night's sleep I always wake feeling unrested, and it has a certain kind of "feel". When I drink the near beer or take the a sip of wine I get the same effect to a lesser extent. I am confident that I am just very sensitive to alcohol. I have previously searched the web for what that says about my system, but I haven't found that it indicates anything.

I don't drink, but in the past, I would have excessive reactions to drink, almost POIS-like! Symptoms would last 3-4 days, instead of the typical 1-day mild hangover that I think is more the norm.

Like you, I have a sensitivity that I believe is genetic (my father had it).

Speaking of Quackwatch, here is another ducky remedy: http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml

I mention this because I heard a lady who called into a talk-radio call in show swearing that all her medical probems were cured by cleansing the toxins out of her body through her feet! Sounds like faith healing to me.  []

It would be hilarious if so many people didn't go seriously off the deep-end with "remedies".

I think the "device watch" link you posted is related to the "quack watch" I posted. They have the same look and feel. I'm glad someone is watching!


"ducky remedy", very good, John!  []

[demografx]

The candida spit test is not serious. Candidosis should be considered only if there are clear signs (white tongue, throat...).

B_Jim, very well said!

[pyropeach]

Hello all,

I'm currently trying to write a document, or "compendium" if you will, that introduces what POIS is, discuses the theories we've came up with, the treatments and methods that have worked (and why we think they worked), and the treatments and methods that haven't worked.  It would be periodically updated and be a document that accommodates the forum.  My hope is it will make it easier for newcomers to catch-up on what we've discussed before in order to reduce some redundancy in discussion.  I figure it would also help ease the transition of newcomers into the forum as well because they won't need to rummage through hundreds of forum pages to get caught up.  Also, I'm hoping it will provide everyone with a snap shot of our progress as the forum grows.  Plus, if we someday finally get a professional researcher on the forum, it would be a nice way to present ourselves and avoid him/her from needing to read hundreds of forum pages, which they probably won't have time for.  

Right now there is an introduction and description of POIS section.  But I'm stuck on the theory section in the sense that I need some raw data or evidence to back up the theories we've come up with.  The main one I'm having trouble with is Adrenal Fatigue due to the potential overproduction of cortisol after orgasm - my own blood tests don't show abnormally high cortisol levels, so I'm wondering if anyone else here have had results showing high cortisol, otherwise this theory breaks down and explaining why Relora works for some people here (it supposedly lowers cortisol) would be even harder.  Any data from anyone would help tremendously.

Other theories I remember discussing were high prolactin (due to abnormal function of the pituitary), low testosterone (hypogonadism due to pituitary malfunction or malfunction of the testes), and hypo/hyper thyroidism.  Can anyone think of anymore theories that should also be mentioned?  Or should some of these theories not be mentioned?  How does this whole idea sound to you guys?

[demografx]

How does this whole idea sound to you guys?

Excellent idea. Assuming there's no overlap (at least I don't see it), this could complement B_Jim's and Counterpoints' and Martin's work nicely.

I'm concerned about "adrenal fatigue" only because it has a mixed reputation amongst serious researchers. Maybe give it a new name?

How about including Waldinger's theory? A fenugreek-based theory? Garlic-based?

[POIS-SUFFERER]

POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

I always feel a little light headed, not sure if I would say drunk, but I can stumble around a bit!

As for the bread, I would not think it will make me feel any different then the current light headedness...

Is this a factor, I have not come across this.

PS

[martin88]

How does this whole idea sound to you guys?

Thanks Pyropeach, definitely this will be great! I had high cortisol 10 days after an orgasm. For me the recovery is gradual, I'm better at day 10 but not fully cured. Unfortunately one test is not enough to make a conclusion. We can only report and organize "events" and in 100 years it will be more clear !

About adrenal fatigue (I don't know if it's a real concept) I have 95% of the symptoms mentionned here :
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C17649.html

Someone was cured with DHEA ..

[Counterpoints]

pyropeach

I'd say the pituitary abnormalities in those with pituitary MRI, and the adrenal theory are worth mentioning....

I think it's questionable how much Relora decreases cortisol. 

Also, even though my cortisol has been high (as has rock's), I don't think cortisol in isolation is the whole problem... it could just be an indicator of a pituitary or adrenal issue.  Also hypercortisolism can be cyclical.

[pyropeach]

Thanks for the feedback guys.  I'll def put in pituitary abnormalities and the adrenal theory.  Although it seems these theories are connected...so maybe all there is needed is just one theory that combines everything.  I hope to hear more feedback so I can take as many people's thoughts and suggestions as possible into consideration.

I'll def try to add in the garlic and fenugreek into the section of things that worked.  Now that I'm finally done with college WOOOHOO!!  I'll have more time to work on it.   

[GoingCrazy]

POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

I always feel a little light headed, not sure if I would say drunk, but I can stumble around a bit!

As for the bread, I would not think it will make me feel any different then the current light headedness...

Is this a factor, I have not come across this.

PS

So maybe for you its like smoking marijuana when you are already high.  I used to always feel lightheaded also.  I just remember this one night a couple years ago when it seemed like my brain chemistry had changed.  Hence POIS has come about.  Maybe that could be candida entering my brain?  []  haha.  But has anybody else remembered a night )or a day)  when they just "lost" it, when they felt like someone other than themself?  Brain fog and all of these other symptoms arrival?

Yes it is a factor, any carbs you consume may feed the candida  [xx(](if it really is candida), and I know what you mean by lightheadedness.  For me it was like living life in a dream.

[Counterpoints]

POIS-SUFFERER has mentioned ativan a few times...

I'd like to say that I've experimented with ativan a reasonable amount, and it has a negligible positive effect on my POIS. Even when I am feeling really distressed, ativan does not help very much.  In fact, it seems to work better when I don't have POIS symptoms.

[Counterpoints]

Congrats pyropeach! 

[demografx]

Pyro, congrats! What a relief.

We'll give you a Master's minimum for your compendium.  []

[demografx]

Pyro, DHEA was mentioned by Martin. We've had a fair amount of discussion about that. Worth looking into?

[pyropeach]

Pyro, DHEA was mentioned by Martin. We've had a fair amount of discussion about that. Worth looking into?

Definitely worth looking into, in fact I tried DHEA for a time in the past and it seemed to help a little.

Pyro, congrats! What a relief.

We'll give you a Master's minimum for your compendium.  []

Congrats pyropeach! 

Pyropeach : congratulations. I still defend high cortisol/adrenaline "all the time" and low Dhea+steroids/dopamine just after orgasm theory.
And then reduce the high levels all the time help to reduce the low levels just after orgasm.

Thanks guys for the congrats guys!

[POIS Noise]

I'm very curios as to how many people tried relora.
tried looking for it here in Israel, couldn't find any tough.

[demografx]

POIS-SUFFERER has mentioned ativan a few times...

I'd like to say that I've experimented with ativan a reasonable amount, and it has a negligible positive effect on my POIS. Even when I am feeling really distressed, ativan does not help very much.  In fact, it seems to work better when I don't have POIS symptoms.

Counterpoints, as with your Ativan experience, I have never gotten any POIS relief with alcohol or any similar mood-altering chemical.

[demografx]

I'm very curious as to how many people tried relora.
tried looking for it here in Israel, couldn't find any though.

Wow, POIS Noise, Israeli regulations are complex! I spent the last two hours researching this, starting by talking to my local health food store proprietor. "Codex" is an international cooperative venture that tries to discourage supplements outside the US.

I spoke with www.vitaminshoppe.com and they will ship relora to you, BUT you must first fax them a note from your Doctor that says it's ok for you to take it! (You can thank codex for that).

Fax doctor's note to them at 800 852 7153.

First, go to their website and pick the relora brand you want. Check previous forum posts here to see which brand others have tried. To make it easier, put this into Google:   
Relora site:http://thenakedscientists.com
Careful to have a space between relora and site, no spaces elsewhere.

VitaminShoppe customer service line is  866 293 3367. Order by phone or website. I picked them because they're fairly well known, 20 yrs in business, 300 retail stores.

For a list of other places to buy Relora (the _brand_ Relora, but they probably carry other brands as well, just like VitaminShoppe):
http://www.relora.com/wheretobuy.html

Be prepared for high shipping costs.

Good luck, PN! Sorry it's so difficult.

[Counterpoints]

Counterpoints, as with your Ativan experience, I have never gotten any POIS relief with alcohol or any similar mood-altering chemical.

Sorry, I just had to



(PS: This is in no way an endorsement of Ativan!)

[POIS Noise]

thanx demografx!

in the us, do you need a doctor to get relora?

maybe it's easier to ask somone who's coming back to israel.