[Counterpoints]

counterpoint: I am on the same line with you on that diet and exercise habbit. I am hoping if i do something similar to what you do for like next 4 months, i loose weight and reduce pois alot.

I think reduced sugar intake was key.  This may closely relate to B_Jim's low carb high protein diet.  As was the exercise.... but for the exercise to be useful it might have to be fairly intense.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

counterpoint: I am on the same line with you on that diet and exercise habbit. I am hoping if i do something similar to what you do for like next 4 months, i loose weight and reduce pois alot.

I think reduced sugar intake was key.  This may closely relate to B_Jim's low carb high protein diet.  As was the exercise.... but for the exercise to be useful it might have to be fairly intense.

Which seems along the line of a Candida diet.....

PS

[daisi_sufferer]

I didn't want to report on this until later, but some things I've read made me think it was important to share this information now. 

For the last 2 weeks, I have been 70% cured of POIS. This is really a breakthrough for me.  I read other stories here, thinking "this will never be me".  It seemed I had a really tough case.  I tried Relora, Fenugreek, antidepressants, ritalin, ativan, beta blockers, and all made very little difference.  There never seemed to be an "easy fix" for me, and the recovery I'm feeling is the result of a lot of dedication.........................

I have also got very very excited after hearing somone talking about candida. I have been having lots of symptoms of candida for years but did not know the word "candida' until I read about it here. I immediately reduced sugar the moment I read symptoms of candida one week ago. Since then I have been reading about candida extensively on the internet. Suprisingly, there is alot of similarity between POIS symptoms and candida symptoms. I will keep everyone informed about improvement in my case, if there are any.

[daisi_sufferer]

Demografx, I do remember I owe you some pointers/information on POIS in South Asian's native medical system. Lately, I have been spending whatever time I got on candida thingy.

[Starsky]

Hi my question is: Does Orgasm elevate the progesterone levels? It's well known that this hormone boosts the growth o of candida!

But if not, my theory is that orgasm rises IGA levels and make candida die off and cause a herxheimer raction,that lasts 1-7 days (you could think you will have sex once a day and resolve the problem, but it isn't  so easy, the IGA levels will be higher just if you have sex once to twice a weak not more): Herxheimer reaction:"As the body works to detoxify, you may experience symptoms including dizziness, headache, “foggy” headedness, eye floaters (the little blurs in vision which can be detected when the eyeball moves back and forth), depression, anxiety, heightened anger reactions, gas & bloating, flatulence, diarrhea, constipation, joint pain, muscle pain, body aches, sore throat, general malaise, exhaustion, need for more sleep, sweating, chills, nausea, skin breakouts, or other symptoms" The problem is, we don't now if orgasm boosts the candida growth or not.

If the level of progesterone doesn't elevate after orgasm you should go on diet, take antifungals and have sex once a week, after a while it should be resolved. But if a orgasm boosts the candida growth? Diet, antifungals and abstinence.

Has someone a study which shows which hormons go up or down after a male orgasm?

[demografx]

My problem with most "Candida" diagnoses is: where is the medical - not symptomatic - evidence that infection exists?

[Starsky]

It's not a infection, it's just a overgrowth in the intestine, check your stool for candida overgrowth.

[demografx]

When I believe in "Candida", I'll check the stool, thanks!  []

It's not a [sic] infection, it's just a [sic] overgrowth in the intestine, check your stool for candida overgrowth.

So is the following incorrect?: "Candidiasis is an infection caused by a group of microscopic fungi or yeast." - source: eMedicineHealth
[All emphasis above mine - demo]

I do believe the malady is serious and present in a very small minority, for example, in HIV-positives with compromised immune systems. I just don't subscribe to the "popular" majority illness notions promoted all too often by those who latch on to the fact that a serious, medically recognized condition does actually exist.

[demografx]

Starsky, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

Starsky, this post below might help you find answers easier by tailoring a Google search to this POIS forum:

SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: over 2 years' worth of posts from 130+ Forum members.

In the Google search box, type
whatever you're interested in finding[space]site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum.

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result.

[Counterpoints]

I didn't want to report on this until later, but some things I've read made me think it was important to share this information now. 

For the last 2 weeks, I have been 70% cured of POIS. This is really a breakthrough for me.  I read other stories here, thinking "this will never be me".  It seemed I had a really tough case.  I tried Relora, Fenugreek, antidepressants, ritalin, ativan, beta blockers, and all made very little difference.  There never seemed to be an "easy fix" for me, and the recovery I'm feeling is the result of a lot of dedication.........................

I have also got very very excited after hearing somone talking about candida. I have been having lots of symptoms of candida for years but did not know the word "candida' until I read about it here. I immediately reduced sugar the moment I read symptoms of candida one week ago. Since then I have been reading about candida extensively on the internet. Suprisingly, there is alot of similarity between POIS symptoms and candida symptoms. I will keep everyone informed about improvement in my case, if there are any.

There are many conditions that could cause someone to have a negative reaction to high sugar intake -- diabetes, for example. 

I don't think I have diabetes, but I am skeptical of candida. 

[healthy]

Hello,

I've been doing alot of research on this for my friend and I believe alot of this is associated with neurotransmitter deficiencies. newbielink:http://www.powersupplements.com/craniyums-neuro.html [nonactive]

Has anyone tried craniyums or 5-hpt? You can do a test to see if you're deficient in neurotransmitter and try some.
Please post if you have any results. I highly think this might be a cure but my friend won't take anything that treats insomnia, depression etc. He only takes vitamins and fish oil and thinks he can cure it by eating healthy and working out which obviously isn't working because research says that eating healthy can only do little to increase your neurotransmitters(though it really does help). newbielink:http://www.powersupplements.com/craniyums-test2.pdf [nonactive]

To see how to balance neurotransmitters take a look here.
newbielink:http://www.powersupplements.com/craniyums-less3.html [nonactive]

If anyone has tried craniyums and if it has helped please reply.  Also it says low magnesium can lead to decreased neurotransmitters so  vitamin B-50 or B-100 complex, vitamin C 500 mg. - 1000 mg., calcium 1000 mg. and magnesium 500 mg supplments are recommended. These all help in balancing neurotransmitters.

Can someone please try this and tell me if it works? If it works it might be better than using the other recommended treatmetns of t-patches, antidepressants, relora, etc. 

[GoingCrazy]

Hi my question is: Does Orgasm elevate the progesterone levels? It's well known that this hormone boosts the growth o of candida! "As the body works to detoxify, you may experience symptoms including dizziness, headache, “foggy” headedness, eye floaters (the little blurs in vision which can be detected when the eyeball moves back and forth), depression, anxiety, heightened anger reactions, gas & bloating, flatulence, diarrhea, constipation, joint pain, muscle pain, body aches, sore throat, general malaise, exhaustion, need for more sleep, sweating, chills, nausea, skin breakouts, or other symptoms" The problem is, we don't now if orgasm boosts the candida growth or not.

But what we do know if that orgasm releases chemicals in our brains which could possibly cause some imbalance, possibly even feeding the candida.  Think about it.  That feeling in your head is not normal, it isn't even anxiety.  orgasm is supposed to make us feel better.   i believe the right chemicals are getting released, candida may be feeding on them.

[Green]

I also suffer from this condition, it sucks the life out of you... I'll introduce myself later...

As for 5-HTP I've had no positive results whatsoever, the only thing that I've found to work post orgasm is TIME, celibating from ANY sexual activity for a lengthy period of time, around 2 months or so then I begin to feel 'myself' longest I've gone is about 6 months and everything was just seamless, no brain fog whatsoever, crystal clear thinking, heightened physical and mental well being and I had the motivation to anything I set out on... but then the cycle began.

I've read through a fair amount of posts, and I've read that the majority of the guys get POIS after and NE, I never get that problem, after an NE I feel 'different' perhaphs relaxed and the feeling only lasts for about a day if that, strange.

[demografx]

Has anyone tried craniyums or 5-hpt?

healthy, here are some forum discussions we've had on 5-HTP:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=5+HTP+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

I hope this is helpful.

[demografx]

green, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!



Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

green, this post below might help you find answers easier by tailoring a Google search to this POIS forum:

SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: nearly 2 years' worth of posts from 130+ Forum members.

In the Google search box, type
whatever you're interested in finding[space]site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum.

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. However, Message#'s do change, so look for your post "in the vicinity" of the missing#.

[demografx]

longest I've gone [celibate] is about 6 months and everything was just seamless, no brain fog whatsoever, crystal clear thinking, heightened physical and mental well being and I had the motivation to anything I set out on

green, did you find that, during the 6 months' abstinence, you were tense/frustrated/or otherwise negatively affected by the absence of sex?

[demografx]

You can do a test to see if you're deficient in neurotransmitter

My endocrinologist is not an ultimate authority, but he does have 30 years' experience as a well-regarded practitioner, researcher, and as a professor at a major university.

He believes that neurotransmitter testing is a great idea, but that the testing methods today are unreliable.

[Counterpoints]

You can do a test to see if you're deficient in neurotransmitter

My endocrinologist is not an ultimate authority, but he does have 30 years' experience as a well-regarded practitioner, researcher, and as a professor at a major university.

He believes that neurotransmitter testing is a great idea, but that the testing methods today are unreliable.

It depends on the method.... if we use the same fancy techniques pharmaceutical companies use to assess the efficacy of antidepressants, involving functional imaging, then that would probably work well.  Of course, this wouldn't be a typical test a physician would just order at a lab.