[John21 (OP)]

I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation.  I was at a party last night... kind of funny... one of the main topics, masturbation.  It felt weird talking about it, it really is a universal thing.  Some friends talking about how they have been doing it a few times a day over the past 10 years.  One of my problems with POIS is the guilt associated with it.  I'd just like everybody to know once again that it is not some code or law that is being broken with masturbation, it is just how our bodies react to it.  I, usually, along with the cognitive experiences I feel during POIS, put myself down a lot, as if I'm the only one in the world that does it.  The one thing we should tell ourselves if we fall victim to this guilt is that EVERYONE does it, it's just how our bodies currently react to sex.

These days may be hard to imagine but there was a time when sex wasn't the theme everywhere you turn, making it easier to keep temptation at bay. I have been chaste for some time now and do so by avoiding images that would excite me, mainly by not watching sexy tv shows or movies. After a while of doing this watching such video seems weird, even watching a couple making out seems invasive. My chastity may in part be the reason my POIS has been less severe when it occurs. I haven't always been successful since I became chaste, but achieving it has very much been the norm. I think that it is much easier to attain and be comfortable with chastity in a culture that believes it is best. For me this is the RC Church. Its funny that you mention this today, I was having some temptation that begged me to dive into pleasure. It's just the headspace I got into for whatever reason, mainly the sexy sweetheart ahead of me in the grocery isle today who's eye I caught. But I am pleased with myself that I am fully able to resist it and I know it will dissipate, hopefully not by an NE. 

[daveman]

since my own doctor was the one who told me about progesterone/testosterone being used as a male contraceptive, i may be able to convince her to let me try it.  since the contraceptive is not out on the market i would have to take a low dose progesterone pill and wear a very low dose testosterone patch to make my own. this would effectively rule out a few major theories we have (FSH, LH and sperm).

now wait everybody dont go running out and trying out this new concoction, i am going to take one for the team here. my gp will probably have to send me to and endo for this one, and once i get there i will probably have to dazzle the endo with magic tricks to get it prescribed.

if the fact that the male contraceptive can remove FSH, LH, and SPERM from your body and still have your body running perfectly does not impress you, than you are not impressible.
this is my dream experiment come true for pois.

Incredible isn't it? You ask a doctor to give you the ingredients for POIS, even with well laid out information and hormone test results and three white papers and two case studies and they won't. But when the market is big enough, they make a pill to sell to the world so any goofball can take it!

Grrrr.....

P.S. and they probably wouldn't give a perscription to me becasue I'm already serile....

[demografx]

this [new contraceptive pill] is important because we will not be releasing FSH or LH after an ejaculation to replace the sperm we lost. this will tell us if those hormones are responsible for pois.

also important is that when we have an orgasm and ejaculate no sperm will be released and non will be produced afterward to replace lost sperm.  this is very important because it will tell us if sperm loss or orgasm is responsible for pois.

Absolutely fascinating, laurac!!

Of course this would destroy my pet theory that my daily testosterone treatment (which is heavily ramped up on Day Zero), speeds up sperm regeneration and thus helps me avoid up to 90% of the destructive aftermath. In that case, laurac, I'm holding you personally responsible for replacing my old theory with a new one!  []

[Limejuice]

The treatment is going well.  I've taken .35mg of progesterone per day for about two weeks.  Yesterday I tested it's effect on POIS twice, Oing twice.  Today I feel moderate symptoms but not the brute onset I used to feel.  I'm very happy I can still reason and feel emotionally after Oing.

The treatment is suppose to become active after three weeks so I'm expecting better results in the coming week.  Thanks.

limejuice how is your new treatment going.

[demografx]

I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation. 

I think that the guilt (apart from religious reasons) sometimes comes from the fact that the satisfied feeling - if realized too often - can take the place of more rewarding activities, such as flirting, dating, mating, and other social activities. Just my opinion.

[daveman]

this [new contraceptive pill] is important because we will not be releasing FSH or LH after an ejaculation to replace the sperm we lost. this will tell us if those hormones are responsible for pois.

also important is that when we have an orgasm and ejaculate no sperm will be released and non will be produced afterward to replace lost sperm.  this is very important because it will tell us if sperm loss or orgasm is responsible for pois.

Absolutely fascinating, laurac!!

Of course this would destroy my pet theory that my daily testosterone treatment (which is heavily ramped up on Day Zero), speeds up sperm regeneration and thus helps me avoid up to 90% of the destructive aftermath. In that case, laurac, I'm holding you personally responsible for replacing my old theory with a new one!  []

BUT the subtle proportion is what makes the big difference. Your theory is probably right or at least close, because it seems that the (T) has a part in running the sperm factory. It's just that (T) also feeds back to tell the pituitary when to stop giving sperm production signals.

Laurac, how exciting!
Now we just have to see what goes wrong in our systems to cause POIS. For instance if we can't produce (P), how would FSH and FH be affected? We would not suppress auto-immune inflamation..... we'll just have to keep digging.


 

[demografx]

                 

                                  Will Laurac be #5 ??

[Limejuice]

What do you mean by #5?

EDIT - didn't see the picture on the blackberry.

[Animus]

And I can't just phone my client and say “bear with me mate, I've got really bad Post Orgasmic Illness syndrome this week. I just thought I'd better let you know because I'm not always as vague and vacant as this.

[Animus]

Hi Mellivora,
I used to get into the same situations with my work too because of POIS. I think although you can't really say that you're having POIS because it isn't a name people know, you should definitely treat it as a temporary illness, and you will find that people are usually quite willing to cut you some slack. I mean, I didn't tell people about the details of my problem- but I would say food poisoning, stomach problems, back problems, etc. I know it's lying a bit, but perhaps there is an acceptable related illness which people can understand which you could claim. It is better than going on as if nothing was wrong. Good luck to you, and I feel your dilemma. Good luck this week. Things will get better.
I think I ended up telling my employer that I had a chronic hormonal problem that led to fatigue and weakness periodically.

[Animus]

limejuice how is your new treatment going.


i have figured out a way to see if LH and FSH are causing pois and if sperm loss or orgasm causes pois.

laurac-
I am very interested to know the results of your experiment.
I think you're on the right track with your approach. I am thinking along the same lines of investigation. I will need to read up about FH and LSH some more to understand your experiment.

As I'm sure you're aware Semen is made up by several organs including testicles for sperm and hormones, seminal vesicles, and the prostate gland. By stopping sperm production you may solve all or part or none of the problem, but that is only one component of Semen.
thanks, good luck. hope to hear your results in the future.

[demografx]

What do you mean by #5?

EDIT - didn't see the picture on the blackberry.

Limejuice, the photo shows 4 Nobel Peace Prize winners []

[daveman]

Do you all find that the POIS is worse in the evening? I started the day not too bad, but all I want to do is go to bed now!

[demografx]

Definitely worsens in the evening for me.

[horizon]

Which hormones did you ask for, or which ones is he going to test?

Hi Daveman
I gave him a list I made from the forum

Total+Free/Bio Testosterone; LH+FSH  (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) (Luteinizing Hormone)
Estradiol (E2); SHBG SEX HORMONE GLOBULIN BINDING; Prolactin; DHEA; Cortisol; IGF-1; Progetesterone; DHT; TSH Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone, Free T3, Free T4, Reverse T3;
HGH human growth hormone; PSA and CRP

I dont know which ones he will choose.

[horizon]

since my own doctor was the one who told me about progesterone/testosterone being used as a male contraceptive, i may be able to convince her to let me try it.

Currently looking for male volunteers...
http://www.labiomed.org/
http://www.labiomed.org/index.php?name=Contact Us
(says in corner "To enroll in the male contraceptive study, please email
malecontraception@labiomed.org or call 310-222-8191")
watch this...http://cbs2.com/video/?id=134585@kcbs.dayport.com
Dr.Ronald Swerdloff at LAbiomed says they use (progestin) "Nestorone Gel" which turns off signals from the pituitary gland which normally tell the testes to make sperm, then testosterone is given.

Interesting video.
I wonder if the effects of Progestin Nestorone Gel are the same as the effects progesterone pills Limejuice are taking?
Perhaps the reduction of Pituitary gland signals are whats helping Limejuice?
They seem to be using testosterone to deal with the reduction of sex drive in their study.

Limejuice have you had a sperm count, before and after your treatment?
Many thanks

[daveman]

Something very interesting happened last night!
It's a little graphic so excuse me but must have some relevance.

Remember that I said that I was feeling worse in the evening, so I went to bed early (21:30).
I woke up at about midnight and felt like crap! I was even wondering if I should go to the hospital. Mainly flu-like symptoms. Hot flushes (but without temperature, body aches and nausia).

I have a bedroom separate from the main part of the house, a sort of spanish/colonial design, somewhat typical of Chile. So often we have "potties" so as not to have to make the trek all the way to the house.

I decided to pee.... Strangly about 30 minutes later I felt almost "great".

The strange part is that in the morning when I went to dump the "pottie", it was milky! This has happened once before and precisely in day 0/1. The next "pee" was perfectly clear and normal. And normally it is so. Only twice, I've seen this and in the night of day 1.

I am imagining that it is maybe sperm backed up. But this was the night of day 1, I had gone to the bathroom several times during the day since the "O". If it's some kind of infection, it is only present in day 1 of POIS, and is only seen in the one evacuation.

What do you think?

Somehow I don't think any doctor would be able to help with the problem even if I took them a sample of the urine unless I had a clear specification of what o test......

P.S. I haven't checked during the day from "O" till the night of day 1, remembering that I usually only "O" in the night of day 0 to sleep it of. I have checked after the one cloudy sample and always clear. I should check each one after "O" until the night of day 1.

Anyone seen this? Can anyone else use a pottie to check for cloudiness day 0, day 1? Being that it's not a normal ting to do....


 

[daveman]

I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation. 

I think that the guilt (apart from religious reasons) sometimes comes from the fact that the satisfied feeling - if realized too often - can take the place of more rewarding activities, such as flirting, dating, mating, and other social activities. Just my opinion.

Perhaps we're just talking semantics, but I think that what you suggest would be responsible more for (unjustified) feelings of frustion, jealousy and incompetence. Guilt is more associated with religion and breaking of ignorant society rules. I probably should have been an anarchist!! Present regulations are archaic.

It's a punishing system instead of a rewarding system. And as you say, we can't really appreciate the things we replace if we don't "sin" at times to excess.

[Defsync]

Something very interesting happened last night!
It's a little graphic so excuse me but must have some relevance.

Remember that I said that I was feeling worse in the evening, so I went to bed early (21:30).
I woke up at about midnight and felt like crap! I was even wondering if I should go to the hospital. Mainly flu-like symptoms. Hot flushes (but without temperature, body aches and nausia).

I have a bedroom separate from the main part of the house, a sort of spanish/colonial design, somewhat typical of Chile. So often we have "potties" so as not to have to make the trek all the way to the house.

I decided to pee.... Strangly about 30 minutes later I felt almost "great".

The strange part is that in the morning when I went to dump the "pottie", it was milky! This has happened once before and precisely in day 0/1. The next "pee" was perfectly clear and normal. And normally it is so. Only twice, I've seen this and in the night of day 1.

I am imagining that it is maybe sperm backed up. But this was the night of day 1, I had gone to the bathroom several times during the day since the "O". If it's some kind of infection, it is only present in day 1 of POIS, and is only seen in the one evacuation.

What do you think?

Somehow I don't think any doctor would be able to help with the problem even if I took them a sample of the urine unless I had a clear specification of what o test......

P.S. I haven't checked during the day from "O" till the night of day 1, remembering that I usually only "O" in the night of day 0 to sleep it of. I have checked after the one cloudy sample and always clear. I should check each one after "O" until the night of day 1.

Anyone seen this? Can anyone else use a pottie to check for cloudiness day 0, day 1? Being that it's not a normal ting to do....


 

1 of 3 things it most likely is:

1) u released man-fluid at some point, but only enuf that it remained in your urethra and when u went pee, it was ejected as well

2) you O'ed somewhat in your sleep, contracted your PB muscle, and man-fluid was sent into the bladder. yes, this is what happens when you use yer PB to stop an O, i forgot to mention that. then you went pee, and it was ejected form your bladder.

3) sometimes your kidneys cleanse themselves of the same urinary minerals that form kidney stones, only it is ejected when you pee as a milky white substance. this is normal, and shows you are less likely to get a kidney stone in teh near future.

[Defsync]

eHealth admins edited a post i made linking to this forum, because it had naked scientist in it and they assumed it wasnt an accredited forum. "

"In general, we publish website links
> from known medical authorities like
> the National Institutes of Health,
> research centers, or university health
> sites..."

hello, Cambridge? I just wanted to point out that moving this forum elsewhere where its not called "naked scientist" might give us that tiny bit more validation. just sayin.