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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11200 on: 23/01/2011 22:48:08 »
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11201 on: 23/01/2011 23:05:39 »
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?

If this is auto-immune, I don't think it's an inflammatory auto-immune response, at least in my case.   Both my CRP and ESR levels are low, even in POIS.  Maybe you should get yours checked?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11202 on: 23/01/2011 23:11:07 »
Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks   
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11203 on: 23/01/2011 23:22:27 »
Quote from: Counterpoints on 23/01/2011 23:05:39
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?

If this is auto-immune, I don't think it's an inflammatory auto-immune response, at least in my case.   Both my CRP and ESR levels are low, even in POIS.  Maybe you should get yours checked?

Right, I wouldn't necessarily think that it is inflammatory--but then what are other possibilities for what might be causing the weakened urine stream?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11204 on: 23/01/2011 23:40:09 »
Quote from: kristy on 23/01/2011 23:11:07

Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks  


Maybe someone can fax it to you? (My fax is down).
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11205 on: 23/01/2011 23:55:57 »
Quote from: lauracostis on 23/01/2011 22:36:54
Quote from: daveman on 23/01/2011 19:05:03
Back in August we talked about the potential for the male anti-consceptive!! This now seems like a VERY good option for a quicker solution to the allergy problem.

The product stops the production of sperm by tricking the system into thinking that the coffers are full. A subtle and not even potent combination of testosterone and progesterone. Similar to, but different than TRT that replensihes the coffers quickly (like Demo's case).

Could it be that TRT produces levels enough to prevent sperm production all together?
Or could it be that TRT produces full and complete "O"s more cosnsitently therefore exposing the system to lesser pressures and residues that cause leakage in "the gap".

I say this because as we have recently said. Some of us have epxerienced shorter POIS sessions with full and complete "O"s. If there's a gap and no backpressure but good flow through, perhaps the leakage is limited. And in some the gap may require greater pressures to produce "leakage". It IS strange, but if all the ducks are lined up right, and there's also a "push" through the orgasm, one might think that there'd be more pressure. But you can feel when it's good, it flows cleanly despite the pushing.

If the p3n1s is soft and doubled-up, it doesn't flow, there's much more internal pressure and the back-flow stays inside.

Just a couple of ideas on why TRT might work!






the male contraceptive treatment that i proposed with progesterone and testosterone only stops the production of sperm and also some other hormones that are associated with their production.  Dr. Waldinger did his experiments with semen because he does not have the resources to separately test all the components of semen.  i can only imagine that sperm would be the most likely part of semen to cause a reaction. 

the male contraceptive would be an excellent start for someone to see if sperm and the neuro-endocrine chemicals associated with their production are causing are problem.  All the studies i read said the treatment is safe and that no side effects were reported at all, which is quite unbelievable. the only problem is that there is no pill made for the male contraceptive that is out on the market yet.  You would have to go see and endocrinologist and he would prescribe two prescriptions for progesterone and testosterone that you would have to take together.  I have an study that shows many of the different hormone combination that have been tried and the results as they apply to stopping sperm production.  what happens when your on the treatment is that when you ejaculate semen comes out, but no sperm.   
for anyone who does not know the difference, sperm are the little critters from your testis that swim and make a girl pregnant.  semen is a mixture of sperm with other fluids, your semen on the treatment will be absent of of sperm.  it is sperm antibodies that can result from a vasectomy and not semen anti bodies. 

I agree that it's quite possible that we may be allergic to some other component.

In my case I would be tempted to think that it is sperm, because it is very very likely I have heavy anti-bodies to sperm.

I'm not sure how easy it may be to find someone in Chile willing to make the combination, but I would probably start with my reversal doctor. He's a urologist, specializing in micro-surgery.... but with knowledge of course of the workings of the immunological functions involved. Not sure if he forsaw the systemic wide potential for the allergy however....

Anyways, would it be possible to PM me some of the data you speak of so I can present it to him? I'll bring copies of the Dr. Waldinger papers as well. I think he may well be very prepared to accept the report, as he made similar warnings to me at the time of the reversal, (about sperm anti-bodies and damage to plumbing as a result of reactions with them... no mention of POIS though).

I'm not sure if some fear of liability might cause him to just play dumb however.... we'll have to see how it goes.


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11206 on: 24/01/2011 00:00:32 »
Quote from: kristy on 23/01/2011 23:11:07
Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks  

I wonder if he'll even take the time to read them. Sorry!
You really would be better with someone who's willing to actually listen.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11207 on: 24/01/2011 00:10:24 »
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 23:22:27
Quote from: Counterpoints on 23/01/2011 23:05:39
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?

If this is auto-immune, I don't think it's an inflammatory auto-immune response, at least in my case.   Both my CRP and ESR levels are low, even in POIS.  Maybe you should get yours checked?

Right, I wouldn't necessarily think that it is inflammatory--but then what are other possibilities for what might be causing the weakened urine stream?

I believe both Type I and TypeIV are inflamatory.

Type I produces more fluid, like runny nose and eyes, but also redness and inflamed surface tissues.

Type IV produces inflamed joints, connective tissues etc.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11208 on: 24/01/2011 00:10:49 »
Quote from: daveman on 24/01/2011 00:00:32
Quote from: kristy on 23/01/2011 23:11:07
Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks  

I wonder if he'll even take the time to read them. Sorry!
You really would be better with someone who's willing to actually listen.



The thought has crossed my mind, I just want to give him all the documented info so I'm completely justified in what I do afterwards.

I'm in the UK btw so I'm dealing with the NHS, a private Doctor would probably take it more seriously as I'd be a customer as it were ? but that really isn't an option for me.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11209 on: 24/01/2011 00:14:43 »
Quote from: kristy on 24/01/2011 00:10:49
Quote from: daveman on 24/01/2011 00:00:32
Quote from: kristy on 23/01/2011 23:11:07
Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks  

I wonder if he'll even take the time to read them. Sorry!
You really would be better with someone who's willing to actually listen.



The thought has crossed my mind, I just want to give him all the documented info so I'm completely justified in what I do afterwards.

I'm in the UK btw so I'm dealing with the NHS, a private Doctor would probably take it more seriously as I'd be a customer as it were ? but that really isn't an option for me.

All the best. Hope it works out. It would be nice to add a convert!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11210 on: 24/01/2011 00:23:10 »
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?
I did a flowmetrie (speed of the urine), in POIS, out of POIS. Both were just fine.

It could be that beside POIS you have a UTI without a virus. My urologist said that could be the case at me. I have an appointment this week about that. I also did some bloodtests, urinetest and a sementest.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11211 on: 24/01/2011 00:33:03 »
I wonder if anyone else has been experiencing the same thing? Since all the excitement surrounding Dr Waldinger's new research and publicity, I've become hypervigilant about my own POIS, and as a result, I'm using more of all the helpful "tricks and tips" that have come from all the good people of this forum! Thanks, everyone.
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« Reply #11212 on: 24/01/2011 01:22:08 »
Quote from: kristy on 24/01/2011 00:10:49
The thought has crossed my mind, I just want to give him all the documented info so I'm completely justified in what I do afterwards.

I'm in the UK btw so I'm dealing with the NHS, a private Doctor would probably take it more seriously as I'd be a customer as it were ? but that really isn't an option for me.
If you are in the UK you have two options:
1. Dr. Waldinger in the Netherlands
2. Dr. Ashby or dr. Goldmeier in Londen. They also published about POIS. You can show them the last POIS-papers of dr. Waldinger. Though, I think they already read them.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11213 on: 24/01/2011 01:43:46 »

Van, how far is London from Dr. Waldinger?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11214 on: 24/01/2011 01:48:37 »
Quote from: demografx on 23/01/2011 23:40:09
Quote from: kristy on 23/01/2011 23:11:07

Can anyone help an idiot and PM me how to print off the PDF files so I can take/send them to my Doctor please I've got no idea when it comes to computers.

Decided I'm going to give it another go with him, if he still takes no notice after reading the reports then I'll change Doctors.

Thanks  


Maybe someone can fax it to you? (My fax is down).

Kristy, you can also email it to your local Fedex Office and they can print it out for you.
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« Reply #11215 on: 24/01/2011 02:04:00 »
Quote from: demografx on 24/01/2011 01:43:46

Van, how far is London from Dr. Waldinger?
With the plane it is 1 hour and 10 minutes. And then you have to take the train to The Hague. And that's 40 minutes. From there you can take the tram, bus or a taxi. I think from the airport of London it takes in total 2,5 hour.
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« Reply #11216 on: 24/01/2011 02:45:35 »
Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 24/01/2011 02:04:00
Quote from: demografx on 24/01/2011 01:43:46

Van, how far is London from Dr. Waldinger?


With the plane it is 1 hour and 10 minutes. And then you have to take the train to The Hague. And that's 40 minutes. From there you can take the tram, bus or a taxi. I think from the airport of London it takes in total 2,5 hour.


Not a very long trip from London to Dr Waldinger's office.
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« Reply #11217 on: 24/01/2011 04:08:34 »
Quote from: POISon on 23/01/2011 08:03:07


I guess I'll tell a little about my POIS story.I'm 31 and have had this ailment since I was 21,so about 10 years.Its strange,I used to masturbate like crazy since I was 15 and only noticed symptoms 6 years later.My symptoms are heavy fatigue,feeling very spacy,irritable and sometimes mild to excessive anxiety.I v'e taking numerous traditional meds and alternative supplements and the the things that help me the most(at least for now) for my cognition and fatigue are the no sugar 5 Hour Energy brand drinks along with 30 mg zinc,sulbutiamine,and omega fish oil.




Nice sulbutiamine is a nootropic. Have you tried  piracetam and it is families to see how they work. I tried piracetam and oxiracetam about 3 weeks on each and didnt see any results. How quickly did sulbutiamine help you.
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« Reply #11218 on: 24/01/2011 04:10:51 »
Quote from: Counterpoints on 23/01/2011 23:05:39
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.

Is it possible that POIS causes temporary enlargement/inflammation of the prostate, which has the effect of 'pinching' the urethra?  If so, could that potentially point to the place where the 'gap' is located?  Also (although this is perhaps more of a stretch), is it possible that things that could reduce the prostate-swelling might also help reduce POIS?

If this is auto-immune, I don't think it's an inflammatory auto-immune response, at least in my case.   Both my CRP and ESR levels are low, even in POIS.  Maybe you should get yours checked?
My crp was low to but in the paper it said the inflamation that increases of this proteins are very fast.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #11219 on: 24/01/2011 04:40:57 »
Quote from: Guthrie on 23/01/2011 22:48:08
One thing which I may have mentioned before, but which may have new relevance in light of Dr. Waldinger's studies, is the fact that, when I am in POIS, I notice that the force of my urine stream is considerably weaker, as compared to when I am out of POIS.
Same symptom for me, usually very mild. Always only in the morning immediately after I wake up. However recently (maybe 2 months ago) I started to take 200IU vit D, 3X/day, and it was VERY aggravated. Then when I stopped vitamin D all came back like before. I don't know if it's just a coincidence...
I think it was prostate related, even if I'm only 40.

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