[Green]

My POIS symptoms are actually relieved if I masturbate or become aroused and don't ejaculate. I also become more energetic after, however I have barely any pre-cum. My POIS symptoms seem to be the most severe of anyone's on this forum as I have brain fog to a zombie-like state as well as intense physical pains to the point where I basically live in my bed. I believe this is because  my refraction period is too short which causes me to need to ejaculate multiple times a day, thus I am ALWAYS in a state of POIS.

You're not the only one, my POIS symtoms at the height of things was ridicuolous, it really was, an O would mean two weeks in bed feeling close to dying, so much brain fog that at times I've stood in front of a door not understanding what to do to get past and every movement causes palpitations pair that with the complete inabilty to handle any sort of stress or think logically. Also my stomach lining dissapears during POIS, I think I may have auto immune gastritis during POIS. I find that a powerful O usually means less POIS.

[daveman]

What does anybody know about "natural" testosterone boosters? On the net you read a lot about tribulus terrestis, but I saw one lab report that said it did nothting. There are a lot of legal muscle builders supplements that claim to increas testosterone levels, but hmmm... why am I sceptical?

Anybody tried anything? Can we combine it with fenugreek?

[daveman]

Reading about testosterone, I read that sexual stimulation stimulates testsorone. Makes sens of course. but I think it requires that you expel sperm to cause the system to want to want to replace it, stimulating testosterone.

So it's checkmate. But I wonder if one masturbates just up to the "O" without the "O", and does it regularly, would it boost "T" anyways?

[Vandemolen3]

I ordered fenugreek a few months ago. When I read the text on the bottle I gave the fenugreek back. And bought a vitamin bottle instead. Because by taking fenugreek you can put on weight. I can't need that right now because of POIS I can't exercise a lot.

[Vandemolen3]

Does anyone has this too:
On day 1 and 2 when I am at the office sitting on my chair. And then a collegue passes behind my back. Then it's like a wind blows againt my neck. It's a very irritating feeling.

[dbfd588]

I started taking 2 Ginseng Complex Plus Royal Jelly yesterday and all I can say is WOW. I feel really good. I can only imagine what the full does would do. Is it safe to take Ginseng with the Fenugreek? Also read somewhere about not taking Ginseng for a long period without giving it a rest?

[Habibou]

I ordered fenugreek a few months ago. When I read the text on the bottle I gave the fenugreek back. And bought a vitamin bottle instead. Because by taking fenugreek you can put on weight. I can't need that right now because of POIS I can't exercise a lot.

I just started and am always hungry ! it is clear it doesn't help for the weight ...

[Habibou]

I checked on internet which pills are used for auto-immun illness and I found out it : Cyclophophamide in low dose... did someone hear about it? I will ask my doctor on tuesday anyways  []

[hurray]

Thank you so much for your trials and results Hurray!
Yes, I do agree that Fenugreek is great anyways ! how many pills do you take daily? (2 per day for me, but I just started...)

Two per day sounds fine - looking back through my previous posts I think I started off taking it on demand (3 before and 3 after O), 2 capsules a day on other days, then I ramped up my dosage after a "bad O". I think I ended up on 2 a day with extra before/after Os.

Now I mix my own its difficult to say how much I am taking in terms of capsules, but it's probably a fairly high dosage.

I would stick with 2 a day and see what happens. Good luck!

[John21 (OP)]

Thank you so much for your trials and results Hurray!
Yes, I do agree that Fenugreek is great anyways ! how many pills do you take daily? (2 per day for me, but I just started...)

Two per day sounds fine - looking back through my previous posts I think I started off taking it on demand (3 before and 3 after O), 2
capsules a day on other days, then I ramped up my dosage after a "bad O". I think I ended up on 2 a day with extra before/after Os.

Now I mix my own its difficult to say how much I am taking in terms of capsules, but it's probably a fairly high dosage.


I would stick with 2 a day and see what happens. Good luck!

Hurray, I'm curious, how do you grind the fenugreek? And how do you consume it, just with water?

[kristy]

What does anybody know about "natural" testosterone boosters? On the net you read a lot about tribulus terrestis, but I saw one lab report that said it did nothting. There are a lot of legal muscle builders supplements that claim to increas testosterone levels, but hmmm... why am I sceptical?

Anybody tried anything? Can we combine it with fenugreek?

I've tried quite a few different brands over the years and by far the most effective was Reflex Bulgarian Tribulus, I felt significantly better when taking it initially but gradually the effects lessened to the point that I didn't feel like it was doing anything.

A cycle is about 8 weeks, it's advised to stop for about 4 weeks then to let your body produce testoterone on it's own.

I'd normally last about 3 weeks taking it (until it had no effect) then feel worse than ever for a week to the point that I stopped using it atall, same with Ginseng. 

[daveman]

What does anybody know about "natural" testosterone boosters? On the net you read a lot about tribulus terrestis, but I saw one lab report that said it did nothting. There are a lot of legal muscle builders supplements that claim to increas testosterone levels, but hmmm... why am I sceptical?

Anybody tried anything? Can we combine it with fenugreek?

I've tried quite a few different brands over the years and by far the most effective was Reflex Bulgarian Tribulus, I felt significantly better when taking it initially but gradually the effects lessened to the point that I didn't feel like it was doing anything.

A cycle is about 8 weeks, it's advised to stop for about 4 weeks then to let your body produce testoterone on it's own.

I'd normally last about 3 weeks taking it (until it had no effect) then feel worse than ever for a week to the point that I stopped using it atall, same with Ginseng. 

Very interesting, thank you.

Demo, had you felt any immunity with time effects. I know you stepped up the dose a bit once on it...

Anyways, tribulus functions indirectly so a completely different mechanism.

[Counterpoints]

You're not the only one, my POIS symtoms at the height of things was ridicuolous, it really was, an O would mean two weeks in bed feeling close to dying, so much brain fog that at times I've stood in front of a door not understanding what to do to get past and every movement causes palpitations pair that with the complete inabilty to handle any sort of stress or think logically. Also my stomach lining dissapears during POIS, I think I may have auto immune gastritis during POIS. I find that a powerful O usually means less POIS.

Since then, have you generally improved Green?  If so, what has helped you?

[demografx]

Demo, had you felt any immunity with time effects. I know you stepped up the dose a bit once on it...

Testosterone update

I saw my endocrinologist yesterday, after a year and a half hiatus (insurance plans made it cost prohibitive during the lull).

I unveiled my POIS technique of doubling my dose of testosterone upon POIS onset. He liked it!

And he confirmed that the extra dose does enter the bloodstream and take effect rapidly, which I was unsure of, because of the slow initial effectiveness of TRT at the very beginning of testosterone therapy.

This confirms my personal theory even more that my POIS is somehow related to sperm regeneration speed. When sperm replenishes quickly, my POIS lasts under 24 hours and symptoms are light. When sperm replenishes slowly, my POIS symptoms are harsh, and last an agonizing 4 days. This isn't scientific, but it is based on my 2+ years' observation of the former, and 30+ years' observation of the latter.

[Green]

You're not the only one, my POIS symptoms at the height of things was ridiculous, it really was, an O would mean two weeks in bed feeling close to dying, so much brain fog that at times I've stood in front of a door not understanding what to do to get past and every movement causes palpitations pair that with the complete inability to handle any sort of stress or think logically. Also my stomach lining disappears during POIS, I think I may have auto immune gastritis during POIS. I find that a powerful O usually means less POIS.

Since then, have you generally improved Green?  If so, what has helped you?

In short yes, but very insignificantly. I take HCG+Test+Adex 2000iu vitd ed + 5-htp 100mg ed eom. Initially my approach was to modulate POIS through ejaculating atleast once every month and no more than three times a months, at the start of the treatment results were good, for the first time POIS the core of the symptoms was lasting just 1 week and the intensity of the symptoms were also very diminished, for the first time in POIS it was possible to hold a coherent conversion and do light tasks. As time has went on even with POIS being normalized to 7 days it's not possible to function or do anything that requires thought or dedication, add that to the fact I have spine problems in POIS that is also something that is not easily tolerable. So for the time being for at least the next six months I'm not going to voluntarily ejaculate, it's going to be difficult but after about a month you forget how bad the POIS symptoms are and then O. There doesn't appear to be much hope chasing after a doctor to experimentally partake desensitization therapy, especially where I live it's pretty difficult to find a sane and helpful doctor.

I'm paying dearly for my test usage, my testicles have shrunk to the size of raisins and no longer respond to HCG,I think they've got to the point where they've atrophied almost completely.

[hurray]

Hurray, I'm curious, how do you grind the fenugreek? And how do you consume it, just with water?

I just use a cheap food blender with the small "dry food" attachment. A couple of minutes later I have a fine powder. Yes, I just put a spoonful in my mouth and wash it down with water. It works for me.

[hurray]

What does anybody know about "natural" testosterone boosters? On the net you read a lot about tribulus terrestis, but I saw one lab report that said it did nothting. There are a lot of legal muscle builders supplements that claim to increas testosterone levels, but hmmm... why am I sceptical?

Anybody tried anything? Can we combine it with fenugreek?

I have tried testosterone gel, DHT and finasteride, all extensively - none of them felt like they were dealing with the root cause of my POIS, although they did give me an energy boost which I felt in or out of POIS. All of them in theory should help increase the testosterone levels in my body. I don't like experimenting with testosterone due to the well-documented side-effects - definitely a very strong case for getting approval from your doctor first, I think.

[monkeyboy]

I get 1 day pois just from getting too aroused but I usually try to avoid that because doing that without an O results in what I believe to be prostatitis a pain in prostate and swollen testicles that hurt so bad you want to put a gun to your head."Possible causes of chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain may include Immune system disorder" lol that sounds familiar
 

[Vincent M]

Has anyone tried to lower their sex drive in order to reduce their total number of ejaculations? Any success with that route? I understand that many of you can go days without an orgasm, but I can't even get through one day without one.

[Vandemolen3]

Fenugreek is tried before by others. See the list of B_Jim.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg201517#msg201517

@Vincent, some tried to avoid an O. for months, but no results. I also tried for 2 months, but it didn't help much. It helps a bit for the first O. Then my POIS is mild and only for 3 days. But later it's all the same as before. Now I try to have 1 O. max in a week. I need 4 days to recover. Day 1 and 2 are the worse. Then I have 3 normals day's in a week. I don't want to be sick all the time. And if I have an O. during POIS then the symptoms realy get bad. In that case I almost always have sinusitis. And then I will be sick for two weeks. So I don't want that anymore. When you get sick all the time the testosterone goes down. So I can manage to have max 1 O. in a week.