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« Reply #13320 on: 24/05/2011 22:59:38 »
Quote from: Vincent Marcus on 24/05/2011 16:52:39
demo, I think there is definitely a connection between your absence of sperm and Animus's surgery resulting in first no sperm, and later on, no semen.

Animus's POIS symptoms improved after his body stopped producing sperm and it's likely that yours improved as well at the time your body stopped producing sperm.

There may also be a connection with the fact that both you and animus seemed to have improved POIS symptoms on testosterone therapy. I think the main reason Animus achieved 100% free POIS symptoms was the stopping of semen production,... but perhaps testosterone improved his POIS as well?

Animus' International TV Stardom plus your post VM, make me wonder: could my current 20% POIS be caused by semen, and my earlier 80% be caused by sperm???????????????

Occam's Razor?
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« Reply #13321 on: 24/05/2011 23:03:35 »
Animus, you did a great job on the show!  That takes a tremendous amount of courage both to forge your own medical solution and represent it to the world.  Well done.
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« Reply #13322 on: 24/05/2011 23:21:29 »
Quote from: horizon on 24/05/2011 22:21:39
POTENTIALLY BIG NEWS.
Willem is reporting "mild POIS" from 1:5000 home made semen/water dilution.
and "definite reactions" from 1:10,000.
This opens up a real possibility of self cures being workable.

After being turned down by an allergist as a candidate for subcutaneous desensitization, I was looking for a simply do-it-yourself treatment regiment.  I came across sublingual immunotherapy which has shown effectiveness in some studies and parallels the treatments done by Dr. Waldinger (slowly desensitizing the immune system).  It's the 2nd most popular allergy immunotherapy in the EU.

I started 2.5 weeks ago and won't comment on effectiveness until I've tried it for several months.  I put two drops of 1:10,000 diluted semen under my tongue every night.  I'll slowly increase the concentration over time. 

The interesting thing I've noticed is that it induces mild POIS (especially when I tried it with no dilution).  To me this a bit of a relief to know that I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

Has anyone else tried this? 

It may serve as an alternative allergy test since the subcutaneous test I had at an allergist (with my wife as control) came out inconclusive - on the surface.  It sounds crazy to think autologous semen could pose a threat, but it may be possible to have an anaphylactic response, so please be careful if you decide to try this. 



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« Reply #13323 on: 24/05/2011 23:55:27 »
Quote from: Willem on 24/05/2011 23:21:29

It sounds crazy to think autologous semen could pose a threat, but it may be possible to have an anaphylactic response, so please be careful if you decide to try this [sublingual immunotherapy].


Thank you for that cautionary note!
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« Reply #13324 on: 24/05/2011 23:59:47 »


Quote from: daveman on 16/05/2011 15:12:44

The new POIS Forum link is now redirecting to:

www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php

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« Reply #13325 on: 25/05/2011 00:33:38 »
Animus, I just watched the show from the link. I think that you presented your case in a rational intelligent manner. It is courageous to put such an unusual personal situation in front of cameras. Very well done!
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« Reply #13326 on: 25/05/2011 07:19:58 »
Quote from: John21 on 25/05/2011 00:33:38
Animus, I just watched the show from the link. I think that you presented your case in a rational intelligent manner. It is courageous to put such an unusual personal situation in front of cameras. Very well done!

Thank you, John. TLC did a great job. They did 2-1/2 days of filming for about 12 minutes of air time. So they really put a lot of work into it.
« Last Edit: 25/05/2011 08:06:13 by Animus »
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« Reply #13327 on: 25/05/2011 10:19:12 »
bonjour,
je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci
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« Reply #13328 on: 25/05/2011 12:00:39 »
Yesterday I had an O. Today is day 1. And I feel better than normal. I think I have 25 % less POIS. But I don't know in how far this is the effect of injections. Because I was eroused a very long time and then I had the O. In this case there is always less seed in the sperm. That could be a reason. And the other thing is that I just came back from a holiday from Asia (lot's of vitamin D). I will try it about a week with a quick O. I will let you know. But I can't wait to get my new injection about 3 weeks.
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« Reply #13329 on: 25/05/2011 16:34:27 »
Quote from: alui on 25/05/2011 10:19:12

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]
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« Reply #13330 on: 25/05/2011 17:11:56 »
Quote from: demografx on 25/05/2011 16:34:27
Quote from: alui on 25/05/2011 10:19:12

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]

Peut-être je peux mettre un thread français sur l'autre forum, pour ceux qui ne parlent pas anglais. Peut-être les participants français peuvent traduire certaines choses pour les autres utilisateurs.... Comme une expérience de test [:)]
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« Reply #13331 on: 25/05/2011 17:53:28 »
A french thread is opened at the new forum here at the new forum

It is an experiment. Others have asked for threads in other languages, and up until now it hasn't been done for a few reasons:

  • If English can be spoken it better for everybody
  • Translators would be needed so that non-english speaking people could benefit from the rest of the forum
  • The threads in other languages would become isolated from the rest
  • There'd have to be a space for every new language that comes to the forum

Mostly it's a problem of resources, but if there are people who don't speak ANY English, I think our community should try to help them find solutions. So let's give it a try.

Thanks.

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« Reply #13332 on: 25/05/2011 22:23:00 »
Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS.

On a different note, but not entirely, Starsky posted this on the new forum about fenugreek. I think it could be pretty important info:
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"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.
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« Reply #13333 on: 25/05/2011 23:08:24 »
Quote from: Willem on 24/05/2011 23:21:29
I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

yes i think they called it nacebo
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« Reply #13334 on: 25/05/2011 23:17:55 »
Quote from: demografx on 25/05/2011 16:34:27
Quote from: alui on 25/05/2011 10:19:12

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]

Hahaha Demo , congratulations !
Oui, je suis français !!!
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« Reply #13335 on: 25/05/2011 23:55:00 »
Recent interview with Dr. Waldinger on an independent website of the university where he is a professor:

http://www.dub.uu.nl/content/sperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dub.uu.nl%2Fcontent%2Fsperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Meanwhile, Waldinger and colleagues of Immunopharmacology continue his research into the cause of POIS. "We are now at the molecular level to the sperm look. What is not good there? From studies in humans, we now have on basic research."
« Last Edit: 26/05/2011 00:01:14 by Vandemolen3 »
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« Reply #13336 on: 26/05/2011 00:12:54 »
So with fenugreek seeds, I read soak in water overnight, not much info?

Crush them a bit then soak?
How much water?
Do I drink the water in the morning?
Do I eat the seeds in the morning?
Who choose the # 10-20?

Any know overdose levels?

PS

Quote from: Vincent Marcus on 25/05/2011 22:23:00
Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS.

On a different note, but not entirely, Starsky posted this on the new forum about fenugreek. I think it could be pretty important info:
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"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.
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« Reply #13337 on: 26/05/2011 00:20:14 »
Quote from: horizon on 25/05/2011 23:08:24
Quote from: Willem on 24/05/2011 23:21:29
I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

yes i think they called it nacebo

Wow.  Never heard of nocebo.  Thanks for the tip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

I think I'll join a hypochondriac forum just to hedge my bets.  Ha ha ha. 
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« Reply #13338 on: 26/05/2011 03:29:25 »
Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 25/05/2011 23:55:00
Recent interview with Dr. Waldinger on an independent website of the university where he is a professor:

http://www.dub.uu.nl/content/sperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dub.uu.nl%2Fcontent%2Fsperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Meanwhile, Waldinger and colleagues of Immunopharmacology continue his research into the cause of POIS. "We are now at the molecular level to the sperm look. What is not good there? From studies in humans, we now have on basic research."

That last two sentence is confusing, those that mean he is looking at the sperm to see what is wrong.
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« Reply #13339 on: 26/05/2011 03:31:27 »
Quote from: Vincent Marcus on 25/05/2011 22:23:00

Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.

it also increases progesterone; progesterone reduces effect of  immune reaction a
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