[Habibou]

Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.

I did not come to my doctor yet but I will asap ! anyways, my urine test was really under the low standards so I will get answers

[daveman]

Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.

I did not come to my doctor yet but I will asap ! anyways, my urine test was really under the low standards so I will get answers

Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.

Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?

BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?

[demografx]

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[Quasar]

Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.

I did not come to my doctor yet but I will asap ! anyways, my urine test was really under the low standards so I will get answers

Besides talking with him about the causes and solutions, i guess you could ask for the same test, but in a Pois-free period. (abstinence for some weeks) and then compare them.

[demografx]

How reliable are neurotransmitter tests? 2 years ago, my endocrinologist said they were not reliable. But maybe he is wrong? Maybe things have changed?

It might be an sign of something but the levels in blood are not representative of the brain levels. Anyway, Quasar's levels show a deficiency for all catecholamines + Dopac.

Thanks, B_Jim.

[POISon]

@ Mellivora,

That was an awesome Post! What you said echoes exactly what I want from a Pois free life. It was very uplifting and inspiring to read what you posted. Thank You and very well written!

@Daveman

Alpha Lipoic acid is a potent antioxidant and it has been proved in studies to increase the effects of Acetyl-l-Carnitine when combined. That's why I was using it as part of a combo but perhaps it was helping to much as I started to feel side effects from it.

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[Habibou]

answers
Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.

Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?

BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?

Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"

[CertainlyPOIS]

answers
Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.

Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?

BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?

Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"

Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc.   
Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.
it all sounds to much of a coincidence

[Defsync]

Ive folded into oblivion, a bastion of abstinence nonetheless. I am leaving mainland usa to live as a nomad fishing off the coast of Oahu HI, until the end of my days. My relationship will be with the sun and the ocean. I leave the structure of society behind and become one with mother nature.

[daveman]

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[daveman]

answers
Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.

Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?

BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?

Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"

Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc.   
Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.
it all sounds to much of a coincidence

From what I remember, he was diagnosed with CFS as a result of POIS  by quite a reputable doctor who knows POIS.

POIS can drain the system and come to produce CFS.

[kurtosis]

Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O :

3.54 creatinin
dopamin          91.50                    (170-256)
0.4 dopac          0.4                      (0.70-4)
hva                   1.90                     (2.43-5.20)
noradrenalin     10.30                     (15-30)
mhpg                     1.5                   (1.3-4.15)
vma                   1.60                    (2.10-3.80)
adrenalin            0.98                   (1.27-6.10)
serotonin               62.40                (61.50-116)
hiaa                        2.30                 (2-4.20)
hva/5htaa =        0.83                   (1.25-2.56)

We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities 

Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.

This does suggest the catecholamine depletion hypothesis might have some merit.
Have you ever taken L-Tyrosine and, if so, what effect did it have?

[kurtosis]

Ive folded into oblivion, a bastion of abstinence nonetheless. I am leaving mainland usa to live as a nomad fishing off the coast of Oahu HI, until the end of my days. My relationship will be with the sun and the ocean. I leave the structure of society behind and become one with mother nature.

Sounds peaceful but I'd miss broadband internet access.

[observercenter]

Ive folded into oblivion, a bastion of abstinence nonetheless. I am leaving mainland usa to live as a nomad fishing off the coast of Oahu HI, until the end of my days. My relationship will be with the sun and the ocean. I leave the structure of society behind and become one with mother nature.

Why are you giving up when we are at the end of the road?

I think that what you are proposing sounds peaceful, but one could not skip his duties forever.

[Quasar]

Please, take a look at this: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/antisperm-antibody-test

BTW, properly speaking, Pois is an Autoimmune disease (allergy to ourselfs). Plain allergies are only related to outside substances...

I think the skin ***** test is a useful tool, but shouldn't we also, in general, be doing the "Antisperm Antibody Test" they usually do to women? I mean, it is a test that is available right now, everywhere, the only difference would be that they would have to take the blood sample from ourselfs, not from the woman.

"An antisperm antibody test looks for special proteins (antibodies) that fight against a man's sperm in blood, vaginal fluids (not the case), or semen. "

[badgerstripe]

Ive folded into oblivion, a bastion of abstinence nonetheless. I am leaving mainland usa to live as a nomad fishing off the coast of Oahu HI, until the end of my days. My relationship will be with the sun and the ocean. I leave the structure of society behind and become one with mother nature.

Sounds lovely. May the blessings of the Ocean Goddess be with you!

[jferr]

Hello all. I am currently taking niacin before orgasm and chlorella, vitamin C, And Fish oil afterwards. I can't have more than 1 orgasm a week without terrible symptoms. My symptoms have been severely cognitive to the point where I have been diagnosed with everything from depression to schizophrenia. My POIS is also consistent with the better days being after the normal POIS period. The weird thing is that now, with these products, I have become better in the first few days after orgasm, but after a few days I begin to return to my constant POIS. So now I need an orgasm every few weeks to stay productive. Its almost like that vulnerable period after orgasm gives me an opportunity to supply my body and brain with the proper supplies but it soon runs out or something.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also, if anyone has any questions for me I would be happy to help.

We won't give up,

Jon.

[Habibou]

answers
Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.

Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?

BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?

Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"

Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc.   
Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.
it all sounds to much of a coincidence

From what I remember, he was diagnosed with CFS as a result of POIS  by quite a reputable doctor who knows POIS.

POIS can drain the system and come to produce CFS.

Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O :

3.54 creatinin
dopamin          91.50                    (170-256)
0.4 dopac          0.4                      (0.70-4)
hva                   1.90                     (2.43-5.20)
noradrenalin     10.30                     (15-30)
mhpg                     1.5                   (1.3-4.15)
vma                   1.60                    (2.10-3.80)
adrenalin            0.98                   (1.27-6.10)
serotonin               62.40                (61.50-116)
hiaa                        2.30                 (2-4.20)
hva/5htaa =        0.83                   (1.25-2.56)

We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities 

Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.

This does suggest the catecholamine depletion hypothesis might have some merit.
Have you ever taken L-Tyrosine and, if so, what effect did it have?

No, I never tried but I should probably ! I will see what my doctor suggests...
Yes, I was diagnosed CFS in France after Dr Goldmeier checking and it was after some years of POIS and a lack of sleep for a period of 4 months...

[0002ppdnuos]

I've been experiencing most of the symptoms mentioned ever since my puberty.
I'm rather excited that Prof. Dr. Waldinger have had some finding by now.
Hopefully, there will be cure to rid us of our suffering in near future.