[demografx]

Pharaoh, many thanks for the update!

[demografx]

POIS symptoms - for me - are extremely "unusual". Even the fatigue doesn't feel like normal fatigue, from say, exercise.

It's like a mental fatigue, like a brain function just shuts off or is on standby until its gone.

Very well expressed!

[demografx]

I´m trying this and it's not working for me.

Really, I´m feeling even worse.

This is a perfect example of the harm we can do by irresponsibly recommending a "cure" to anyone.

When trying out a POIS treatment, we must be extremely careful.

Because we are all different!

Please: any POIS medical treatment here should be CUSTOM tailored to YOUR BODY and YOUR medical history, and should be done under a good doctor's supervision!

Example: my own very successful POIS treatment could be a disaster for the "wrong" person, i.e., someone else.

And regarding your doctor, POISers need better-than-average help, because the condition is so unknown - and complex.

So find a better-than-average physician or medical practitioner to help you with your POIS!

[demografx]

mellivora, thanks again for those VERY inspirational words!

I would like to add some emphasis to your point about our "paving the way" for the future with NORD's grant:

Once we do this intiial POIS research with NORD, we will then be able to capture the world's medical attention - AND MONEY - for more and bigger research on POIS!

But until we do this first $33,500 phase, there is very little help for us out there! (Sorry to report!)

SO LET'S JUST DO IT!

ASAP!
PLEASE!!

[badgerstripe]

Thank you for your warm welcome, demografx.

I have just purchased niacin, but I do not know when I should consume the tablets . Can someone please give me advice?

Greengrass

I have found best results from 50-100mg of Niacin (not the 'No-flush' variety). I take this about an hour or 2 before an orgasm on an empty stomach - important as a flush doesnt happen on full stomach. the flush can be alraming to look at on the first occasion - red blotches. I have found that taking the Niacin too long before the O doesnt work, taking it afterwards made me feel really quite bad - enhanced POIS!

There is info on the web about potential liver damage from Niacin usage long-term so be aware of this. I would start with the smaller dosage.

Good luck and hope it is of benefit!

[demografx]

I would like to make a request on this forum: If you advertise that something cures you and then realize that your improvement was unrelated to your 'cure' and that you didnt 'cure' anything, please admit to the group that you were wrong.  This is a scientific forum, and your successes and failures should be equally documented.

Excellent, B_Daniel! Let's all please heed this and keep in mind to not only be extremely considerate with our regular/posting forum members, but also the majority of "silent" readers who do not post, but simply read our words and look to us for POIS guidance!

We have a big responsibility here to not lead our fellow POISers astray with our understandable early optimism!

[kurtosis]

I´m trying this and it's not working for me. Really, I´m feeling even worst. I have a little diarreia every morning and I'm with headache.... I have a improve in my sleep because I use salt before sleep and it gives me a better sleep. But, at the first, I'm feeling worst than before the treatment... Oh, I had a problem too... I´m not using sea salt, but I different kind of one... I will search one sea salt too see if have differences.

I will try for mere a couple weeks too see if works...

Someone more have tried this treatment? It works?

How much vitamin C are you taking? The UL is about 2g /day and feelings of nausea are uncommon below 4g / day. I take 2 to 2.5g / day.
Sometimes breaking up one of the tablets into halves and taking them through the day is better than taking them all in one go. A lot easier on your stomach.

[meteo74]

Hi leo17

Yes if I do any thing like playing then some symptoms will appear but less than that which comes with O. or Ma.

[greengrass]

Thank you for your information, badgerstripe.   It’s greatly appreciated.

[demografx]

Does anyone see a connection between niacin and testosterone?

They both work for some people, so I'm really curious if there is a similar physiological mechanism at work here?

[Vincent M]

About niacin and testosterone, from what I've read from past posts it seems likely that both may have some connection to histamine whether it's to histamine levels, some effect on h-receptors, or on more complex histamine cycles and feedback loops.

It's also likely that both improve blood circulation and thus have an anti-inflammatory and improved overall healing effect.

I doubt that I have a vitamin b3 deficiency. I'm pretty sure the flush or some other effect of niacin is what improves my POIS.

I've been reading up on our posts about histamine and I've decided to buy Ranitidine, an h2 receptor antagonist, and try that out even though it's used to reduce stomach acid and not for allergies.

On the subject of stomachs I finally realized that honey was causing me stomach pain. During the time I was taking betaine hcl I was also taking honey, which leads me to believe it was the honey and not the betaine hcl that caused my stomach pain at the time. This leaves me confused as to whether the betaine hcl, the honey, or something else that was responsible for the temporary worsening of my symptoms. After taking the betaine hcl I believed that my stomach acid was too high, but now it seems more likely that my stomach acid is normal. After more time passes I'll be able to tell whether honey causes a worsening of my symptoms in addition to the stomach pain it oddly causes in me.

In reading past posts I've realized how helpful the new forum at poiscenter is since all I had to do was find one thread about histamine and just scroll down through it to find most of the info on histamine that I wanted. I know the thread on niacin holds even more information despite the fact that much of it is repetitive.

Edit- I've also been thinking more lately about an odd duality of my personal manifestation of POIS. The duality being that my high ejac rate and relatively severe symptoms are on one side and on the other side I appear to heal relatively fast (3-4 days) from my symptoms compared to many here (on the few occasions I have the willpower to abstain that long). I've thought for a while that high testosterone levels may be a cause of that duality for me. The other indicators of high testosterone for me include a number of factors. One being my thick and fast growing facial hair. The others being my high libido and high muscle to fat ratio. Since my current GP refuses to test my T levels I'll have to wait to find that out for sure.

[demografx]

All of us can do plenty of damage by carelessly recommending a "cure" to anyone.

When trying out a POIS treatment, we must be extremely careful.

Because we are all different!

Please: any POIS medical treatment here should be CUSTOM tailored to YOUR BODY and YOUR medical history, and should be done under a good doctor's supervision!

Example: my own very successful POIS treatment could be a disaster for the "wrong" person, i.e., someone else.

And regarding your doctor, POISers need better-than-average help, because the condition is so unknown - and complex.

So find a better-than-average physician or medical practitioner to help you with your POIS!

[demografx]

It's also likely that both [testosterone and niacin] improve blood circulation and thus have an anti-inflammatory and improved overall healing effect.

Thank you, Vincent Marcus!

I think testosterone's anti-inflammatory action is a BIG explanation of my POIS success.

"Improved overall healing effect" also happened to me, with a fairly immediate, noticeable and very pleasant lift in my mood!

Since my current GP refuses to test my T levels I'll have to wait to find that out for sure.

Get rid of him!!

Quick!!

Or give me his phone number and I'll tongue lash him! That is outrageous.

But...the same thing happened to me: they refused.

It's not my personality, I'm kinda reserved, but after 30+ years of POIS *H*E*L*L*... I DEMANDED that they (my GP + my urologist) test me and give me testosterone!

(A highly recommended Czech Republic sex researcher convinced me on the telephone in 2002 that testosterone was THE cure for my POIS.)

I was skeptical, but didn't have a better answer in 2002, so I GOT AGGRESSIVE with the docs (GP AND urologist). I made POIS sound like it was a mainstream ailment that these "country doctors" (I live in a big city : - ) needed to read up on!

It worked.

I finally got my testing...and Rx for daily testosterone patches (10mg Androderm).

This took a few years. My longwinded rambling posts tell the story. After a number of false starts with testosterone (it's not a simple thing) I'm now POIS-free for over 2 years.

I wish that for all of you.

I hate to say it, but WE MUST GET TOUGH WITH DOCS!

[CertainlyPOIS]

Since my current GP refuses to test my T levels I'll have to wait to find that out for sure.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Blood-Tests/Blood-Tests.htm
r u in us
you can do testosterone test with them with no need of doctor prescription. They send you their doctors prescription, you go to a questdiagnotics lab around you to do your test.
This is how i did my testosterone,couple of vitamins and catecholomine test.

[demografx]

CC, do you feel these guys are as good as a local hospital lab?

[CertainlyPOIS]

CC, do you feel these guys are as good as a local hospital lab?

i cant really compare them to local hospital labs, Most private doctors use either quest or this other lab(forgot name). two biggest  labs in us.
lef is going send patient to quest.   
am going to say they are good because doctors use  them alot

[Stef]

It's also likely that both [testosterone and niacin] improve blood circulation and thus have an anti-inflammatory and improved overall healing effect.

Thank you, Vincent Marcus!

I think testosterone's anti-inflammatory action is a BIG explanation of my POIS success.

"Improved overall healing effect" also happened to me, with a fairly immediate, noticeable and very pleasant lift in my mood!

Since my current GP refuses to test my T levels I'll have to wait to find that out for sure.

Get rid of him!!

Quick!!

Or give me his phone number and I'll tongue lash him! That is outrageous.

But...the same thing happened to me: they refused.

It's not my personality, I'm kinda reserved, but after 30+ years of POIS *H*E*L*L*... I DEMANDED that they (my GP + my urologist) test me and give me testosterone!

(A highly recommended Czech Republic sex researcher convinced me on the telephone in 2002 that testosterone was THE cure for my POIS.)

I was skeptical, but didn't have a better answer in 2002, so I GOT AGGRESSIVE with the docs (GP AND urologist). I made POIS sound like it was a mainstream ailment that these "country doctors" (I live in a big city : - ) needed to read up on!

It worked.

I finally got my testing...and Rx for daily testosterone patches (10mg Androderm).

This took a few years. My longwinded rambling posts tell the story. After a number of false starts with testosterone (it's not a simple thing) I'm now POIS-free for over 2 years.

I wish that for all of you.

I hate to say it, but WE MUST GET TOUGH WITH DOCS!

Absolutely right on,Demo!!!

BIG RED FLAG when a doc refuses to perform a blood test that you feel is important.

Fire him, Vncent Marcus! Find someone else!  Word of mouth often helps -- just ask around for a GP who people like and trust.

He has his nerve refusing to test you! 

And he just lost a customer!

[demografx]

THANK YOU STEF!

[demografx]

Let's all forget about "making nice" to doctors.

More important is our POIS-free future!

So STEP on their toes. Your life is MORE important than their painful, stepped-on toes!!

[demografx]

To set the record straight, I am no longer obnoxious with doctors.

I finally found a great endocrinologist and a teriffic GP.

Took a few years and a few firings, though!