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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16660 on: 02/06/2012 19:26:37 »
strikef1, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!  We believe that 2012 is POIS' Breakthrough Year. We hope to launch serious POIS Medical Research. A great time to be here!
   


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16661 on: 02/06/2012 19:42:54 »
Quote from: strikef1 on 02/06/2012 11:57:18

It also motivated me to stop waiting [to contact] Dr. Waldinger again.


This is a frequent problem.

But don't worry, anyone who needs a timely reply, including a copy of Waldinger's papers, please send a Private Message (PM) to me or to "daveman". (To send a message, just click on MY MESSAGES at the top of this page)

You are an important part of our search here for a POIS cure, since you participated in The Netherlands' studies!

Welcome again, strikef1!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16662 on: 02/06/2012 20:02:16 »
thereishope, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!  We believe that 2012 is POIS' Breakthrough Year. We hope to launch serious POIS Medical Research. A great time to be here!
   


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16663 on: 02/06/2012 21:06:07 »
For those of you who are interested in learning more about alternative/complementary medicine, you may find some reliable information at the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM).  This is one of the centers of the US National Institutes for Health (NIH).

The link is http://nccam.nih.gov/. 

They don't push any agendas or attempt to convince people to do anything.  This is a serious, scientific research arm of NIH, and provides general information and reports of studies undertaken on the various types of alternative medicine.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16664 on: 02/06/2012 21:53:35 »
I just saw some info on a male oral contraceptive in China.  I know that sperm count is only a small part of our pois, but still found this interesting:

"Gossypol has been used as oral contraceptive for man in People's Republic of China. In this study we used tablet preparation of gossypol, which is actually used as oral contraceptive for male in People's Republic of China, on a volunteer. The administration of 20 mg/day gossypol tablets for 19 days resulted in a tendency of decreasing sperm density and total sperm count, but had no effect on serum LH, FSH, PRL or testosterone. Furthermore, the volunteer had no complaints of side effects and his general laboratory findings were normal. Ten days after the termination of gossypol administration, sperm density returned to its preadministrative level. Our study suggests gossypol may be effective as a male oral contraceptive with no acute side effect."
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16665 on: 02/06/2012 23:03:32 »
Interesting, B_Daniel! Since my sperm count inexplicably dropped to zero, this has my attention.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16666 on: 02/06/2012 23:05:57 »
Quote from: nordnurse on 02/06/2012 21:06:07
For those of you who are interested in learning more about alternative/complementary medicine, you may find some reliable information at the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM).  This is one of the centers of the US National Institutes for Health (NIH).

The link is http://nccam.nih.gov/. 

They don't push any agendas or attempt to convince people to do anything.  This is a serious, scientific research arm of NIH, and provides general information and reports of studies undertaken on the various types of alternative medicine.

Stef

Fascinating, Stef, thank you! I never thought I'd see a reputable source for alternate medicine except PDRonline, but yours is so much more in-depth.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16667 on: 03/06/2012 05:45:15 »
After an abstinence of almost 2 months,today I had an O in the morning and the symtoms have started showing.Lack of confidence and unable to take decisions.I have even noticed a pain in my head on the front right side not continous,but like a spike just comes for a second and goes away.it happened 4-5 times in the last 1 hour.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16668 on: 03/06/2012 07:53:52 »
Quote from: Omen 30 on 03/06/2012 05:45:15
After an abstinence of almost 2 months,today I had an O in the morning and the symtoms have started showing.Lack of confidence and unable to take decisions.I have even noticed a pain in my head on the front right side not continous,but like a spike just comes for a second and goes away.it happened 4-5 times in the last 1 hour.

For me also samething.  Whenever POIS effect is there, I feel heaviness / pain / sensation / something imbalance in front right side of my head & in left side it is completely normal.  This pain is not continuos, it is fluctuating.  I don't know what this pain is?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16669 on: 03/06/2012 09:06:00 »
Hello Folks my Name is Eric I'm 28 yrs old and I too have many of these symptoms.  immediately after ejaculation or intercourse I have a big list of symptoms and they list as such; 1) brain fog and confusion 2) weakness and fatigue, 3) back pain 4) and forget running legs are too sore. 5)  SWEATING ALOT 6) is the worst I have terrible problems with DIGESTIVE TRACK constipation for couple days then as my body starts to feel better I have common healthy stools but also have Diarrhea. All these symptoms occur as long as i ejaculate. If I hold back from ejaculation of any kind my energy and body are perfect. My mind is on key no confusion. I have had these problems since i discovered masturbation. I believe in pois and the people who have it I'm looking for help. if you or anyone could help me this would change my world. I have seen family docs but no luck he says the basic blood test look fine. Im not convinced and I know your not either so please lets keep in touch and guide ech other find help this has gone too on long. Thanks
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16670 on: 03/06/2012 14:27:00 »
hi guys i am new to the forum..i am happy to have found such a huge topic about POIS.I have almost all of the POIS symptoms but the symptom that bothers me the most is that i get low FEVER after ejaculation..37 degrees celcius or 98 degrees fahrenheit..it lasts for about 10-12 hours..then after 12 hours i still feel tired for a about a day or more and then i return back to feeling normal...during that time i also get low back pain testicle mild pain and knee pain,feel tired,my eyes get a bit itchy and i might get some mild headache also..

do any of you guys get low fever as well??as i havent seen this symptom discussed much

i ve noticed also that these symptoms can come without ejaculating..so only by pre ejaculate secretions..do you guys get this as well?

i ve also done recently some blood test and came normal..

prolactin:<0.7 (normal:2.1-17.7ng/ml)

Total Testosterone:679 (normal:249-836ng/dl)

i will also get a test for cortisole soon
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16671 on: 03/06/2012 16:25:06 »
Quote from: strikef1 on 02/06/2012 11:57:18
Hi all,

it seems that I am one of the 45 people where the study was performed on and did the skin test (positive result). As there was not much found on the internet a couple of years ago, I gave up searching and was waiting for Dr. Waldinger's publications. After seeing a tv programme on TLC yesterday on POIS, it made me search the internet again and found several new sites on the POIS topic - including this one! Thanks for all you efforts!

It also motivated me to stop waiting and contacting Dr. Waldinger again.

I would like to share this with you - as you all have shared your life with me!
For me it also matters when I have an O. After sleep, I mostly am recovered.
  • In the morning: I get more and more fatigue / ill / concentration problems / hurting eyes / headache / diffulculty finding words and it influences my social life. And have to sleep early to recover - next day mostly recovered.
  • In the afternoon: same as above, but lighter.
  • Ideal moment around 6-7 pm: not too much problems, but I fall asleep at 11pm, no matter what.
  • After 9: all the symptoms as above but a more serious headache and even more tired the next day. Need to sleep to recover again.
  • After 0:00: not a good idea to have sex & O. (but that's when the wife likes it the most)[\li]
Problems are getting worse over the years - now 45 and suffering for 20 or more years. I furthermore have light hay fever / allergic to mosquito bites / allergic to sun (skin).

And I almost forgot: i am hyper sensitive.

I don't have any solutions or relief found yet - but I am going to try Xyzal as I have it also for my hay fever - and some of the symptoms are the same.

I really hope 2012 is our year!

Wow!!

Hello, strikef1!

It's not my job to welcome people to this forum -- that's strictly Demografx's and Daveman's domain.

But -- WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!!

I've wondered where all of the 45 men who participated in Dr. Waldinger's study had gone. I think you are the one and only participant to grace this forum.

It sounds like you found your way here via the TLC channel's story about "Animus" (his user name), the first POIS forum member to go public, about 2-3 years ago.  He's the POIS PIONEER (my expression, nothing official!).  Animus was so brave to be the first to go public, and now others have followed (Observercenter and Hoping were just involved in a huge story for El Mundo, Spain's largest newspaper).

The ripple effect is alive and well! 2-3 years later, the TLC channel's story is still reaching out to people.

Your isolation because of POIS is now over. You've found your comrades. :-)

Stef

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16672 on: 03/06/2012 16:46:16 »
befreywoo11, and levianthan, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!  We believe that 2012 is POIS' Breakthrough Year. We hope to launch serious POIS Medical Research. A great time to be here!
   


Please check your mail inbox for a complete list of POIS resources.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16673 on: 03/06/2012 20:02:30 »
Quote from: nordnurse on 03/06/2012 16:25:06
Wow!!

Hello, strikef1!

It's not my job to welcome people to this forum -- that's strictly Demografx's and Daveman's domain.

But -- WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!!

I've wondered where all of the 45 men who participated in Dr. Waldinger's study had gone. I think you are the one and only participant to grace this forum.

It sounds like you found your way here via the TLC channel's story about "Animus" (his user name), the first POIS forum member to go public, about 2-3 years ago.  He's the POIS PIONEER (my expression, nothing official!).  Animus was so brave to be the first to go public, and now others have followed (Observercenter and Hoping were just involved in a huge story for El Mundo, Spain's largest newspaper).

The ripple effect is alive and well! 2-3 years later, the TLC channel's story is still reaching out to people.

Your isolation because of POIS is now over. You've found your comrades. :-)

Stef

 
Hi Stef,

Yes, my isolation is over and that really feels good! When I went to Dr. Waldinger in 2003 or so and the years after, I searched the internet for POIS. Then I only found one website, indicating the research by Dr. Waldinger as 'remarkable and funny'.
Now it gives me strength to share my experiences with you and for discussion with other people.

I received the articles from Demo and will study them in detail in the coming days.

Rob
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« Reply #16674 on: 03/06/2012 21:20:09 »
Welcome again, Rob!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16675 on: 03/06/2012 21:23:34 »
Quote from: strikef1 on 03/06/2012 20:02:30
Quote from: nordnurse on 03/06/2012 16:25:06
Wow!!

Hello, strikef1!

It's not my job to welcome people to this forum -- that's strictly Demografx's and Daveman's domain.

But -- WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!!

I've wondered where all of the 45 men who participated in Dr. Waldinger's study had gone. I think you are the one and only participant to grace this forum.

It sounds like you found your way here via the TLC channel's story about "Animus" (his user name), the first POIS forum member to go public, about 2-3 years ago.  He's the POIS PIONEER (my expression, nothing official!).  Animus was so brave to be the first to go public, and now others have followed (Observercenter and Hoping were just involved in a huge story for El Mundo, Spain's largest newspaper).

The ripple effect is alive and well! 2-3 years later, the TLC channel's story is still reaching out to people.

Your isolation because of POIS is now over. You've found your comrades. :-)

Stef

 
Hi Stef,

Yes, my isolation is over and that really feels good! When I went to Dr. Waldinger in 2003 or so and the years after, I searched the internet for POIS. Then I only found one website, indicating the research by Dr. Waldinger as 'remarkable and funny'.
Now it gives me strength to share my experiences with you and for discussion with other people.

I received the articles from Demo and will study them in detail in the coming days.

Rob

Hi strikef1,

Many of us here have had success with niacin in reducing (practically eliminating in some) POIS symptoms. You may not have read this yet, so you might want to consider it.

I have heard members call it a miracle. It can be an emotional experience to be POIS free! (The results in some have been THAT good). Not all report positive results with it, in part this may be due to the procedure for taking it, which is VERY specific. If not followed to the letter, there are NO positive results. If followed correctly, the results are over-whelming.

There is information here http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=174.0 and here http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=319.0 . This is also one of our forums, many of the same members with 4400 posts and 207 members.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16676 on: 03/06/2012 21:36:26 »
Quote from: levianthan on 03/06/2012 14:27:00

Total Testosterone:679 (normal:249-836ng/dl)


levianthan, please do not take this as a recommendation. I will only share my personal situation.

I felt some POIS relief when I took testosterone enough to put me in the "average" range. I'm older, so I experimentally asked my endocrinologist if I could up the dose 50% more than I really "need". But these averages in my opinion do not reflect POISers' testosterone averages.

It cured my POIS.

HOWEVER, this successful POIS high-testosterone-daily-patches strategy (for me) might have also killed off my sperm count. I will never know. But this doesn't matter to me because I have 2 wonderful grown sons!

AND...testosterone does NOT work for everyone.

_IF_  this approach appeals to you (niacin and some other treatments are definitely also worth considering!), then go see a POIS-compassionate endocrinologist (you can MAKE him compassionate-show him the POIS research). Especially point out that all Dutch POIS studies (2002 and 2011), have been carried out by a co-author who is an ENDOCRINOLOGIST, Dr. Dave Schweitzer.
http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/pois-research-study/dr-david-schweitzer

Best wishes, levianthan!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16677 on: 03/06/2012 23:26:42 »
Quote from: daveman on 03/06/2012 21:23:34

Hi strikef1,

Many of us here have had success with niacin in reducing (practically eliminating in some) POIS symptoms. You may not have read this yet, so you might want to consider it.

I have heard members call it a miracle. It can be an emotional experience to be POIS free! (The results in some have been THAT good). Not all report positive results with it, in part this may be due to the procedure for taking it, which is VERY specific. If not followed to the letter, there are NO positive results. If followed correctly, the results are over-whelming.


Yes, i can assure what daveman is saying. I could announce that 2 more POIS sufferers (Both of them had been writing on this forum long time ago, so maybe they could announce it here in the coming days) who i have been in touch with have got excellent relief with niacin. I contacted with one of them via FB (because there is a FB group about POIS  :0 :0), and told him to try niacin... he reported me later that he was very happy with the result :)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16678 on: 04/06/2012 08:07:18 »
Quote from: demografx on 03/06/2012 21:36:26
Quote from: levianthan on 03/06/2012 14:27:00

Total Testosterone:679 (normal:249-836ng/dl)


levianthan, please do not take this as a recommendation. I will only share my personal situation.

I felt some POIS relief when I took testosterone enough to put me in the "average" range. I'm older, so I experimentally asked my endocrinologist if I could up the dose 50% more than I really "need". But these averages in my opinion do not reflect POISers' testosterone averages.

It cured my POIS.

HOWEVER, this successful POIS high-testosterone-daily-patches strategy (for me) might have also killed off my sperm count. I will never know. But this doesn't matter to me because I have 2 wonderful grown sons!

AND...testosterone does NOT work for everyone.

_IF_  this approach appeals to you (niacin and some other treatments are definitely also worth considering!), then go see a POIS-compassionate endocrinologist (you can MAKE him compassionate-show him the POIS research). Especially point out that all Dutch POIS studies (2002 and 2011), have been carried out by a co-author who is an ENDOCRINOLOGIST, Dr. Dave Schweitzer.
newbielink:http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/pois-research-study/dr-david-schweitzer [nonactive]

Best wishes, levianthan!

thank you for providing this info..i wonder if you or others have tried the self pricking test with your own semen..did it come positive?

and also have you tested your cortisol levels??low cortisol could make the immune system overreactive

i am willing to try also the niacin treatment..what dose would you recommend?
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« Reply #16679 on: 04/06/2012 12:13:59 »
From 100 to 250 mg.
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