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POIS is most likely not just one disease with a specific cure. Although symptoms may be similar, the underlying cause may vary with the individual. In western medicine, if a patient has stomach pain and is diagnosed with a peptic ulcer, there is one treatment protocol for everyone. In Traditional Chinese Medicine, the ulcer would be considered the symptom, while the root cause may vary widely according to the individual and would thus be treated differently.
I have been reading this thread for some time now, and I have some thoughts...1) POIS is most likely not just one disease with a specific cure. Although symptoms may be similar, the underlying cause may vary with the individual. In western medicine, if a patient has stomach pain and is diagnosed with a peptic ulcer, there is one treatment protocol for everyone. In Traditional Chinese Medicine, the ulcer would be considered the symptom, while the root cause may vary widely according to the individual and would thus be treated differently. 2) I suffer from POIS and I have a vitamin B12 deficiency. I realize that this has been covered already, but not in enough detail. B12 is not well understood, but we do know that it is extremely important, and the "normal" reference range is from around 200-800. Thus some people may require more or less B12 according to physical constitution and lifestyle. 3) I had an emission last night and I felt lousy today. I also got my first 1000 mcg injection of cyanocobalamin today, and I am happy to report that my symptoms have completely disappeared now. This has never happened before. I will keep everyone updated as I proceed. 4) Injections are the only reliable way to replete B12 stores once you are deficient. If you can get hydroxocobalamin 1000 mcg injections from your physician, do so. My GP only wanted to give me cyanocobalamin, which apparently works, but it's not as efficient. I believe I have found the cure for me. Every other essential nutrient can be obtained from a whole-foods plant based diet. B12 is the only essential vitamin that is not manufactured by animals or plants, only microorganisms. We used to eat plenty of B12 from soil borne bacteria on unwashed produce. Nowadays, in our USDA approved sterile supermarkets...no more B12. Sperm volume and motility was shown to increase by up to 30% in some test subjects and there is a significant amount of B12 in semen. I will keep you posted...But based on my preliminary observations, it does not seem logical that POIS is an autoimmune allergy. It strikes me as being a deficiency rather than some rare disorder.
Thank you demografx, global moderator for all your time on the forum. We had often need you to share ideas and avoid conflict here. I especially remember the little time you have left the forum after your surgery. Amazing!We have a job to finish but since 2012 I have the feelings we have made the largest part. Friendly.
I will be looking into testing similar formulations with more people, especially those who have had problems with just niacin. Also we have to be careful with higher strength B complexes, and find a safe balance.The tests of course are not practicable here.
It would also raise acetylcholine levels which are reduced in myasthenia gravis. It's the reduced levels that cause things like the double vision and drooping eyelids.
I had my B12 tested 2 wks ago but the damn doctor is out of town for a month and the office won't give me my results without a doctor to go over it. it's bullshit. I'll report it once i get it. I agree with Desperate, good post Tony, but don't be too hopeful that youve been cured. I'd imagine B12 is a stimulant, and most stimulants give me short term relief. Definitely let us know after a couple weeks, good or bad.Starsky, although your announcement was/is monumental news, it appears as if the forum is starting to chatter about other things and within time the day to day of this forum will be in full swing. Please make sure to keep us posted every step of the way. I want to just reiterate that I'm a big proponent of this and am very excited to finally have more proof that this works. If you can show that Animus's results were not a 1-off case, and get his same positive results while leaving your family jewels in-tact, me and I'm sure many others will have to seriously consider it.
Quote from: B_Daniel on 10/07/2012 15:18:30Quote from: Starsky on 10/07/2012 14:01:16First I want to apologize that i will not donate this year to NORD to seek the cure. Today I decided to GET THE CURE. I started to search Urologists here in Poland which will help me in the realization of the plan:-banking my semen-doing a close-ended vasectomy (cost about 200 US Dollars and no problem in my country with doing this)-removal of the seminal vescicles-eventually TURP, but perhaps I wont need them if I will take finasterideAs you can see its a little bit modificated Animus Solution, because no one in Poland is willing to do a orchiectomy on demand and as Animus says it does not help a lot. The two other parts of the plan, I think I must do aborad: I hope I will find someone in Romania or Hungary (you can have there even Kidney transplants from a living donor).Please help me and say what do you think about it? Wow, that's a bold move Starsky! Can you explain the thought process behind each procedure?You'd have the procedure done one step at a time, too, so if just one of them "cures" you we'd be able to pinpoint which one, right?Does insurance cover any of this? How much does each part cost? What side effects are there for each procedure? If your doctors think the risks are on the low side, then i'd be inclined to think favorably about it. If we're talking strictly benefits here and not looking at the risks, I'd guess (completely unknowingly) that these 3 procedures would capture the problem. People have these procedures done for a whole variety of reasons... cancer, enlarged prostate, not wanting kids, etc. I think this is as good a reason as any. The only difference, and the only reason this is scary in my opinion, is that the cure isn't guaranteed. I'd actually be willing to donate towards helping you get this done. The knowledge we'd gain from your procedures would be helpful to any future research and might teach us a great deal. I will not do it in one operation because i dont want a POIS Overkill and want to let anybody to know which of those are really helping. EDS had a vasectomy (a closed as he remembers) and it does not helped so the whole Waldinger theory is ruined. I think Walldinger has a treatment but he has a false theory. And i dont want the SCIT, its too much pain and side effects and there are just ONE totally cured. Yes, i will sacrifice me in the name of the research. Besides i give so much for suplements and laboratory testing that i think i could have done this surgery so many times. But dont be affraid, the decision was not made because im depressed. I was thinking about this solution for more than a year. I wanted to say that i begin just with the preperation, because i want to know how much it costs and who can do it. With vasectomy (closed with a titanium clip, without cutting) there is no problem, the problem is with the vesiculectomy beacuse its more complicated and i must find a private clinic and a sympathetic doctor.
Quote from: Starsky on 10/07/2012 14:01:16First I want to apologize that i will not donate this year to NORD to seek the cure. Today I decided to GET THE CURE. I started to search Urologists here in Poland which will help me in the realization of the plan:-banking my semen-doing a close-ended vasectomy (cost about 200 US Dollars and no problem in my country with doing this)-removal of the seminal vescicles-eventually TURP, but perhaps I wont need them if I will take finasterideAs you can see its a little bit modificated Animus Solution, because no one in Poland is willing to do a orchiectomy on demand and as Animus says it does not help a lot. The two other parts of the plan, I think I must do aborad: I hope I will find someone in Romania or Hungary (you can have there even Kidney transplants from a living donor).Please help me and say what do you think about it? Wow, that's a bold move Starsky! Can you explain the thought process behind each procedure?You'd have the procedure done one step at a time, too, so if just one of them "cures" you we'd be able to pinpoint which one, right?Does insurance cover any of this? How much does each part cost? What side effects are there for each procedure? If your doctors think the risks are on the low side, then i'd be inclined to think favorably about it. If we're talking strictly benefits here and not looking at the risks, I'd guess (completely unknowingly) that these 3 procedures would capture the problem. People have these procedures done for a whole variety of reasons... cancer, enlarged prostate, not wanting kids, etc. I think this is as good a reason as any. The only difference, and the only reason this is scary in my opinion, is that the cure isn't guaranteed. I'd actually be willing to donate towards helping you get this done. The knowledge we'd gain from your procedures would be helpful to any future research and might teach us a great deal.
First I want to apologize that i will not donate this year to NORD to seek the cure. Today I decided to GET THE CURE. I started to search Urologists here in Poland which will help me in the realization of the plan:-banking my semen-doing a close-ended vasectomy (cost about 200 US Dollars and no problem in my country with doing this)-removal of the seminal vescicles-eventually TURP, but perhaps I wont need them if I will take finasterideAs you can see its a little bit modificated Animus Solution, because no one in Poland is willing to do a orchiectomy on demand and as Animus says it does not help a lot. The two other parts of the plan, I think I must do aborad: I hope I will find someone in Romania or Hungary (you can have there even Kidney transplants from a living donor).Please help me and say what do you think about it?
QuoteIt would also raise acetylcholine levels which are reduced in myasthenia gravis. It's the reduced levels that cause things like the double vision and drooping eyelids.Can you provide a link to scientifically confirm this? I have droopy eyelids since child age.Do you guys have that too?
Quote from: B_Daniel on 12/07/2012 07:46:34I had my B12 tested 2 wks ago but the damn doctor is out of town for a month and the office won't give me my results without a doctor to go over it. it's bullshit. I'll report it once i get it. I agree with Desperate, good post Tony, but don't be too hopeful that youve been cured. I'd imagine B12 is a stimulant, and most stimulants give me short term relief. Definitely let us know after a couple weeks, good or bad.Starsky, although your announcement was/is monumental news, it appears as if the forum is starting to chatter about other things and within time the day to day of this forum will be in full swing. Please make sure to keep us posted every step of the way. I want to just reiterate that I'm a big proponent of this and am very excited to finally have more proof that this works. If you can show that Animus's results were not a 1-off case, and get his same positive results while leaving your family jewels in-tact, me and I'm sure many others will have to seriously consider it. My vitamin b12 and folic acid came out good. 726 out of 211 - 946 pg/ml15.4 out of >3.0ng/mlfor folate acid considered deficient if <2.2 ng/mli did this test in pois.couple of days after ejaculation
My vitamin b12 and folic acid came out good. 726 out of 211 - 946 pg/ml15.4 out of >3.0ng/mlfor folate acid considered deficient if <2.2 ng/mli did this test in pois.couple of days after ejaculation
Anyway, for the first time in 20 years, I have no noticeable POIS symptoms. I'm taking Gingko, Huperzine and a high-strength b complex with active co-enzymes of b12 and b6. I'm also taking krill oil. The Huperzine seems to have sorted out the eye problem. I didn't take it yesterday morning and the eye control problem was back. 200mcg of it and within 10 minutes it's fixed and my memory is greatly improved. I've had 4 O's in a week with no diminishment in cognitive performance.