[LAPOISSE2]

HI,

I contacted my doctor and within one week he would come to this forum and would interact with all.

That's a great news Nathan ; Thanks a lot

[Gbolduev]

Low thyroid =high acetylcholine,   high thyroid= low acetylcholine.   It is all about NA/K no matter how you twist it.)))

Nathan  for instance , low thyroid weight gain , high acetylcholine.  would benefit from  lowering acetylcholine, increasing thyroid,  decreasing cortisol.
Myself had  high thyroid  low acetylcholine. woulld benefit from  increasing acetylcholine.
So  these stupid studies are amazing about serotonin and  acetylcholine .  It is never  one solution for everyone,  it is so stupid to think that ,   depression is caused    in both causes,  in one with low acetylcholine and low DHT and estrogen . In another  case with high acetylcholine, low dopamine., and testosterone.

Thanks Nathan for asking your doctor  to come here, I think it would be good.  I hope he has a solution  besides the  aureverdic stuff.

[Gbolduev]

Estrogen   increases   levels of acetylcholine,   estrogen is  increased by NA.
Progesterone decreases levels of acetylchoine,  progesterone is  increased by K.
NA/K is the main  thing in  everything,  hairloss,  depression,  EVERYTHING   , even death.

Nathan, had high estrogen ,  on his blood work.   High estrogen high acetylcholine. I am not sure how he suppresed acetylcholine.   Vitamin C would make sense in this case,  since  it will lower copper.

[Gbolduev]

SO basically it  all comes to   copper  zinc  manganese iron  , and mostly  to  copper zinc  ratio.  As I stated from the minute I posted here.

[B_Daniel]

HI,

I contacted my doctor and within one week he would come to this forum and would interact with all. 

Wow Nathan, really great of you to facilitate this and equally good of him to agree to come and share his thoughts.  I'm looking forward to hearing his rationale and asking some questions

[Over it]

Below is a link to a book published over 100 years ago written about nervous exhaustion, it's causes, how it presents, and alleged successful treatment methods. Some cases of whats described as nervous exhaustion sound a lot like pois.       
http://archive.org/details/apracticaltreat03beargoog [nofollow]

[gondal4]

Gbolduev ,which tests to do to know the imbalance and then what supplements to eat after that?

[sadandfrustrated]

Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:

• Zinc Citrate: 100mg
• Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
• Vitamin E: 400 IU
• Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
• Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
• Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

[urano75]

Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:

• Zinc Citrate: 100mg
• Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
• Vitamin E: 400 IU
• Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
• Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
• Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

Did you make this program based on any blood or other types of tests?
Do you already know how your adrenals and thyroid are behaving (low, high)?
Do you have any evidence (test) for cadmium toxicity?

It's difficult ot make a program without knowing where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.

Few considerations:

- 200mg zinc daily looks huge to me. Even if you had high estrogen/progesterone (Na/K) ratio and low thyroid function, that's probably too much in any case. Without knowing your situation, I would not take more than 50mg to begin with
- you can't know if you really need copper and manganese without assessing the points mentioned above
- 6g C might be unecessarily too much. Possibly also 200mg B-complex. Also, it's better to spread water-soluble vitamins (B-C) 3 times a day, to allow costant supply

I hope this helps.

[johanstefansson]

Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:

• Zinc Citrate: 100mg
• Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
• Vitamin E: 400 IU
• Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
• Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
• Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

Did you make this program based on any blood or other types of tests?
Do you already know how your adrenals and thyroid are behaving (low, high)?
Do you have any evidence (test) for cadmium toxicity?

It's difficult ot make a program without knowing where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.

Few considerations:

- 200mg zinc daily looks huge to me. Even if you had high estrogen/progesterone (Na/K) ratio and low thyroid function, that's probably too much in any case. Without knowing your situation, I would not take more than 50mg to begin with
- you can't know if you really need copper and manganese without assessing the points mentioned above
- 6g C might be unecessarily too much. Possibly also 200mg B-complex. Also, it's better to spread water-soluble vitamins (B-C) 3 times a day, to allow costant supply

I hope this helps.

I too believe 200 mg zinc daily seems a lot. I think 10 mg is recommended daily dose. 200 might be dangerous. However I do believe the problem is that cadmium is not showed during toxidity tests, its in the testicles or shows up as abnormal calcium levels.

We should see is someone here would like to sample his balls.

[urano75]

There are no optimal doses valid for everyone (zinc RDA is 15mg), although there are definitely safety zones.
In my opinion 200mg zinc is way too much for everyone, while 10mg might be too little for many.
It's hard to start a nutritional "balancing" program if one doesn't know in what way is currently imbalanced.

As to metals toxicity (cadmium, mercury, arsenic etc), blood tests won't say much, hair tests might give a clue but not really be conclusive (metals can be accumulated in tissues but not excreted), biopsies are not a really viable option, non-conventional tests are a question mark. So one can mainly assume, perhaps based on the exposure (dentals fillings or eating big fishes-->mercury, smoking--> cadmium, pesticides--> arsenic etc). But I don't believe that the solution will be just overloading with an antagonist metals based on this assumption (e.g. zinc for cadmium or selenium for mercury). This might make an imbalance worse, and imbalanced body won't detoxify.
Also, metal toxicity is often associated to infections, especially fungal infections (fungus typically thrives on metals). Addressing them would likely allow and speed up metals release. One can also try to get help from mild chelators like zeolite while detoxifying. And support liver detox in the meantime (MSM, Lipoic Acid, NAC..)

However I believe that a balanced metabolism is key for the detoxification. I would expect that restoring a balanced environment at cellular level will be the main prerequisite to get rid of any toxic metals, regardless of the specific type.

[LAPOISSE2]

Actually, to my understanding, niacin flush is more an inflammation than an allergy ; But i like the idea of a reducing the potentiality of a second reaction by provoking a first one.

The other link to Niacin is serotonine through tryptophane

[gauravnew]

Hi, I am following this forum form the past 2 years. For me symtoms, as usual explained by you and all. From past 5 years, I contacted many doctors and undergo many test and found all the tests are normal. But today, I undergo Abdomen Ultrasound Scan and found few things abnormal. Whether these have any relation with my POIS.
I got a appointment with my Gasterolist only in next week.
The abnormal findings in Abdomen Ultrsound scan are :
a) Liver: Mild parenchymal hyperechogenecity noted.
b) Kidney: Left renal mildly ectatic extra-renal pelvis seen.
Impression: Mild Fatty changes in Liver

Please help

[sadandfrustrated]

Sorry it's taken so long for me to respond.

I was quite busy for the past few days.

Thank you very much for your suggestions!

I've reduced the dosages to around half, more for Vitamin C.

I feel like I'm feeling some benefits from the balancing. But I'll give it a few weeks to see.

In regards to the cadmium, I had a urine test quite a while back (around a year ago). It was a forced DMPS test. My cadmium level was slightly elevated.

I didn't think much of it back then (because my main concern was the mercury, which I thought was responsible for my POIS), but now it seems to make a lot more sense as the real culprit.

This seems particularly true, if my cadmium level was elevated when I wasn't in a state of POIS. I'm assuming that having an orgasm forces the testicles to start working again and thus release some cadmium into the body?

[urano75]

In regards to the cadmium, I had a urine test quite a while back (around a year ago). It was a forced DMPS test. My cadmium level was slightly elevated.

I didn't think much of it back then (because my main concern was the mercury, which I thought was responsible for my POIS), but now it seems to make a lot more sense as the real culprit.

Adding 200-400mcg selenium to your regimen could help, regardless of where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.
It will help normalize thyroid function, antagonize heavy metals (especially mercury), promote detox activity (via glutathione).

Another possible one to consider is chromium (400-600mcg) to help with sugar metabolism.

[bastianb]

Been a long time since my last visit. the pages have doubled!

I see a lot of progress and while I'm usually too busy or too lazy to post, I just had to post something I noticed that might blow your mind away!

I don't know if I said this before here or not but I don't masturbate and are not currently in a sexual relationship so all my ejaculations are from wet dreams. I get these wet dreams anywhere from every 1-11 days. I got so tired of having POIS dropped on me without it being my fault AT ALL (I didn't even want the wet dreams - I HATE THEM), that I started experimenting with different things.

I stayed in bed after waking up from a wet dream for 30 mins to an hour. did this a few times. I noticed my symptoms did not start then! I was so happy obviously thinking that if I stay in bed after ejaculation I will have cured my POIS. WRONG!

Somehow after getting up and going around a bit, I had symptoms coming in 5 minutes.
All of them rushed in and I started cursing myself for even getting up. But we can't all always stay in bed.

So for the next time, I noted down my actions in that 5 minutes after getting up.

First thing I did was drink water or another drink, eat a little something as breakfast then proceed to go to the bathroom to change underwear and pee.

Next time I had a wet dream, I eliminated the drinking water part.

The difference? I still had POIS within 5 minutes and I felt extremely dehydrated afterwards (more than usual POIS)

The next time, I drank the water, skipped the food and went to pee.

The difference?  I still had POIS within 5 minutes and I felt more hungry and had more sore muscles afterwards (more than usual POIS)

Thinking I may have found the answer and needing a confirmation, the next time I tried drinking the water, eating my cereal and then NOT PEEING!

You will be amazed at what happens next!

I held my pee in for 2 more hours and the minute I couldn't take it anymore and peed, my POIS started!

Mind blown yet?

No?

Next time, the time when I was sure I will have a wet dream that night, I drank less fluids to test my idea even further (not having to go to bathroom until a longer time has passed).

I tested it with 3:30 hours. Surely enough, my symptoms only started after I peed.

Next times I even reached around the 4:30 mark, but you can understand that doing so might hurt the body so I put my limit at 3 hours now.

This also reduces symptoms by about 5% every hour it is delayed, not so big of a difference but still a bit noticable.

This is not a cure, but it might show us that this is actually something that happens when semen is still in the tract and this might just shed a big light on what's wrong.

NOTE: Do not try this method if your kidneys don't function well or you have consumed a large amount of liquids before ejaculation as this is clearly risky for the kidney and any other body parts involved when delaying the relieving of urine. I do not take any responsibility if you test this method in a wrong manner that leads to more illness.

[Kima]

Nathan 123
Where is your Indian doctor?

Kim.

[Prancer]

Hey bastianb, nice to have you back! So that's interesting. Yes, mind is blown. I noticed it too, especially with being really thirsty. My instinct tells me that what's really happening is just a masking of our symptoms. Sometimes I take niacin during POIS just so that I can feel a temporary relief. I think the itching and tingling overpowers the discomfort caused by POIS, but once it stops the POIS comes back. Likewise, last month I almost broke my ankle, and during the severe pain I felt, my POIS was almost unnoticeable. In summary, my feeling is that discomfort overpowers POIS temporarily, but as soon as the discomfort wears off, the symptoms will "come back" (when in reality they never left).

Here's a quote about why scratching (or any other pain) relives an itch:

"One theory says that scratching provides a counter-irritation which is a slight pain that distracts the brain to focus on the discomfort of the scratch instead of the itch."

I think something similar might be happening with us POISers, except it's not an itch we're masking. (It's our POIS symptoms.)

[fornicationDENIED2]

I am not cured, ejaculating at daytime leaves me sleepy, fatigued, and some brain fog for the rest of the day. Time for mineral ratio change, I shall introduce taurine to the mix next, also the process of testing is taking a long time. Despite the HUGE improvement of my symptoms, the fatigue still ruins my freedom Testosterone increased to 5.12 ng/mL but it is still damn low. Free testosterone 20.21 pG/mL .

[fornicationDENIED2]

I am not cured, ejaculating at daytime leaves me sleepy, fatigued, and some brain fog for the rest of the day. Time for mineral ratio change, I shall introduce taurine to the mix next, also the process of testing is taking a long time. Despite the HUGE improvement of my symptoms, the fatigue still ruins my freedom Testosterone increased to 5.12 ng/mL but it is still damn low. Free testosterone 20.21 pG/mL .

Gastro intestinal issues now 0%, cognitive improved 65% without taking anything after O.