[Gbolduev]

RD is correct on this one.  Many people got their POIS from  cadmium  in  marijuanna,  which  as DR LIN "properly  noticed "  LOL   sometimes causes hyperthyrodism and  antagonisez both copper and zinc.

Dr LIn  it is really funny you would  give someone cadmium,  how about  we   take  mercury  and lead  along with it.
May be some Arsenic too. LOL

This is  just trolling  since no doctor  would recommend this, and whoever is doing this  should be ashamed   , I  guess it is  SLAVRS and his people , to keep  attention away from  his stupid imposterous attempt to rename    VVD(  Vegetaitive  Vascular Dystonia).

[Gbolduev]

SLVARS


I know what you are doing , I guess you are trying to suck more information out of me, so you can copy more of it on your  fraud site. Stop SLAVRing  your BS here.  We are not stupid.   VVD is Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia  and not some garbage  SLAVRS , I just cant  get over  what nerv you have to  try to mascarade it and it is not a syndrom  which CFS and fibromalgia and POIS are based on,  it is just an imbalance  which rises  from   imbalance in Ca/Mg ratio and  NA/K ratio , which is sugar ratio and  also   vasodilator ratio. Manganese gets affected ( which directly affects  acetylcholine syntethis) and  also ammonia levels.and you get fatique as in CFS..  VVD (Dystonia)  should be in  the same row with  CFS and fibromalgia and POIS and other imbalances , and not as the cause of them. LOL       
Unreal  that someone invested money in your project. AS you  claim you had no  medical authority  in your research, and that is  obvious  if you did not  even know that V VD (vegetative  vascular dystonia )already exists and what it is and just  basically  copied information from any  russian  website on that topic, which by the way there are  hundreds for VVD and every clinic has  their own  proprietory method of fixing the disorder. 

And dont send your guys here posting  bs about miraclulous cures either,  if you want to prove that you know something , take one guy from the forum and fix him.  Oh wait,  I forgot you have no idea how, he has to  go to some miraculous practitioner.  Do you understand that this is pathetic?


And one more thing, remember you said it woudl take 3 weeks to  get your site up?    well, I made a bet with people  from this forum that you will be up in a week, and you were..    What happened? the  investor got scared or something?  You and your gang are so obvious  and I would  spend much effort to  make sure  your  information  does not litter peoples  brains. Especially since you  blintly stole it and  have no idea how  I got to it.
And  your syndrome  does not exist,  it is like me calling   AIDS  "  you are screwed  syndrome"

[B_Daniel]

B_Jim I completely agree that we should be courteous to all people that are trying to help.  Which is exactly why we should show no courtesy to "Dr" Lin. 

I'd like to have Lin banned immediately for promoting his own products on here.  He's sold bogus medicine to desperate individuals on his website for years and ought to be ashamed of himself.  The members of ours that have tried his snake oil in the past were lucky if they felt no effect.  Some got significantly worse.  I think people like him are what's wrong with the world.   

Please also note that he's not an MD.  He's an engineering phd who's trying to get rich quick.  This is from his website:

"One day in 1996, I read a cartoon about how to become a millionaire by writing and selling a book. I was so excited. Sex can be a powerful topic to sell since  it is what everybody wants to know but are afraid  of asking.  A mystic power motivates me to compile my sexual knowledge together into a book called " Resonant Excitation of Sexual Orgasms - Tao of Love Coupling"  based  upon my bioelectromagnetic theory of the brain and nervous systems.
http://actionlove.com/love/book.htm

I termed my writing into a CD-ROM e-book and launched my website linplaza.com to sell this e-book over internet. At that time, I considered there would be no publishers to accept my English writing or my sex theory. I hit a jackpot by selling this book which indeed turned myself into a sexual engineering expert!

Thereafter, I quit my engineering professional and walked into a strange field...."   

Arguing with this guy about why our bodies don't need cadmium is a disgrace to a science forum. 

Lin, you're an B1 B2 B2 B6 A9 B9 A3.  Please go take a long walk on a short pier.

[fornicationDENIED2]

I was never contacted by this "Dr. Lin", if I wanted to intoxicate myself I would drink tap water (in my country tap water is very contaminated, including the infamous flouride etc., who knows, maybe I am intoxicated and don't know it yet). I should have known posting test results on the internet was useless and only I can help myself. Had a hard time getting a few tests done, since I live in a US commonwealth, medical system is the same as US, have to go through greedy selfish doctors and testing is too expensive. Apart from the economic disaster that both the US and our government created (wich I can't explain on forum in detail) I am short on money to consult anyone or test not covered by medical plan. What I got now is inconclusive, medical plan expired, Gbolduev cant offer help to anyone anymore making the interpretation of my few specific tests hard and I have to deal with opportunists toying my misfortune without consent.

Got something important to say send me an email, I will take a break from the forums     

[Gbolduev]

Daniel

Wow,  is this for real   with this doctor Lin.  AHAHAHHA  . I decided to get rich overnight.HAHAH   this guy not only should be banned, but  also  prosecuted.   Amazing nerv.   To me Slavrs is not any better,  at least Dr Lin shows you who he is ,  as oppose to slavs operation is  obviously  thought thru and has  a very obvious agenda.  I just dont  like  to  feel stupid,  when some body come out , uses some bookish language and just  blindly  copies everything from everywhere  claiming it  as  authentic. ( on the Slavs  POIS page, you see exactly what I  said he would post))  And when comfronted about it ,   you just get some more bookish words and nothing to support the claim, just  some general  words. 

But  Dr Lin clown is at least authentic,   I doubt  you would hear anyone recommend  cadmium.  Although  I  can  inform you that  dr Eck  once said that if he had  no morals,  and he would   have to make a drug, he would make a cadmium  pill.  Cadmium  puts copper momentarily  into the tissues, and some people will have a  drug  effect of  happiness and stability  from it , of course it will damage your  health in the  long run.

So by no means I would listen to  Dr Lins advice on cadmium , and as far as Slavrs is concerned,  well,  you have been reading exactly the same information  here,  interestingly enough this was the exact time  of Slavrs  research ))))   After which  he conveniently  posted what I have been saying here for months and    ripped off  VVD (Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia)  on top of it  to  make authentic  claim otherwise  his  investors money did not make any sense.  I guess he did not expect people to know stuff about VVD( Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia) and  what it is and will try by all means( mostly  LIES)   distant himself from  it.  But it is too late.

I am  here to protect POISers, so  no  CLOWNS will get rich overnight benefing  on something that  should be sacred  like sex.  ( I could not beilive what  I  read, when Daniel posted,  this is unheard off).  I think I  should  track that  dude down,  because of Doctors like that   my wife is DEAD.

[Gbolduev]

fornicationDenied2,

contact me on the e-mail,  I will help you . 

As I said ,  that was  100% Slavrs  trolling with Dr lin thing. I have very good intuition  for people like  that . And now you know what they are capable off.
Sorry  Denied2 that they used  your  tests /

[slavrs]

Good afternoon all,

This post’s intention is to provide you with information on how and why slavrsyndome.com was born.

It started from 2 friends who incidentally found out they were affected by an extreme fatigue and pains which seemed to have a pattern after being sexual. One of them was affected by it even without experiencing a sexual climax. A significant sexual arousal had triggered it for him. The other person is an older gentleman who was married for over 30 years but as far as he remembered, he experienced the side effects from sex since his teens. Both of these people worked in a biochemical production facility as technical engineers, and became friends there. One day while at lunch, they had a conversation that led them to discuss their negative aspects of sexual life. Now this has happened over 10 years ago. Since then, just as many of you, they have attempted to find an explanation of their issues with the local medical providers. Besides the minor findings in their bloodwork, nothing significant was found using the standard routines performed by practicing doctors in the US. Obviously 15-minute PC and specialist appointments and a big number of those, led to no explanations. Yes, some minor hormonal and nutritional abnormalities, but nothing that would be indicative of a serious issue.

A few years later, the older gentleman got sick. His lymphocyte counts were very low, high levels of urine creatinine, pathology of blast cells in the blood, high SED rates, abnormal pancreas tests, and blood in urine, diarrhea that continued for 3 months until he lost more than 45 pounds. Later became a suspect for tuberculosis since the symptoms were horrendous. He was hospitalized and a few days later after some stabilizing IVs was discharged. His tuberculosis tests were negative. He was prescribed anti-inflammatory drugs, cortisone, a beta-blocker, and some other things I don’t already remember he told me about. The surprise was, after he took the beta blockers, his symptoms drastically improved and he basically recovered within 1 month, gained his weight back. His friend at that time was stable, experiencing the issues after sex, but they both never connected the older gentleman’s hospitalization to their problems after sex. When he stopped taking the beta blocker, his symptoms started to come back. And again he was off to doctors trying to find the root cause. No significant findings were observed. He resumed taking the beta blockers and returned to work.

As years went by, both of these guys started noticing the patterns in their symptoms and they were very consistent. The younger individual started using beta blockers, and even though it offered a significant relief that most here on forums referred to as a cure, they realized it was not. At the end of 2012, after talking to doctors and searching the web for answers, nothing but workarounds could be found. They became proactive and attended a few seminars that were aimed at various chronic diseases. There, they had met more people like them - all were affected a little differently. The seminars provided very educational insights on the issue of chronic diseases. They all knew that something disturbed their inner balance, but what was exact pathology that would explain such a wide range of symptoms could not be explained. Infections, toxicity, and all kinds of things were put into discussions.

On the other hand the number of people (now involved in non-profit slavrsyndrome.com awareness project) who were consistently keeping in touch with their findings on a personal basis, grew. When it reached 27 people, we all invested between $500 & $6500 to pay for an organized batch of tests once the plan was developed. We simply wanted to know “what the heck!”.

We have found quite a few individuals inside and outside the US who were willing to do the tests at our expense. Everyone who participated in testing was on a control diet for 3 weeks, meaning excluding all possible foods that could cause some sort of distress. Everyone was tested pre, post and 8 days later post a stressor that caused the symptoms. And keep in mind, that the amount of money we had, offered us a limited number of tests, but we narrowed it down to hormonal, neurotransmitter, nutritional, hepatic and a few other tests that were essential. To our surprise, everyone had different abnormalities expressed within the relapse cycle yet, a completely opposite outside the relapses. But, there were some patterns, which we found to be significant. And this is how SLAVR Syndrome awareness project was born. We simply posted the cumulative efforts and findings for everyone to see. The most important fact is that we found one very strong consistency, which pointed that the symptoms were of the vascular nature. This is what slavrsyndrome.com is about. It’s an emphasis that many of us who were affected by one or another chronic illness expressed either as a POIS, CFS, FMS and others had problems with circulation within the organs and not a cardiovascular system. As we had found out later, “liver flushing” had basically provided a better blood circulation, improving its function temporarily. It was not about flushing out the toxins! As soon as we started treating the condition as a vascular syndrome, the symptoms would start to resolve. And most importantly, the livers would start producing the soooo needed bile flow that was impaired in 35% of affected. Obviously, the causes of this syndrome could probably be “endless”. Just as “what causes high cholesterol?” If there was one cause to treat, everyone would be cured.

As a conclusion, it would be somewhat unreasonable to search for the EXACT cause for POIS that would apply to everyone. You may improve one function of your body, and it would help, just like the mineral balancing does for those who need it. But does it treat all underlying issues that caused this disaster in the first place? Probably not. We also found that POIS appears to be a genetic predisposition as well, from analyzing about 75 peoples' family history. A genetically predisposed to a vascular disease individual, may have enough capacity of the vascular system to operate until a certain age, usually 15-20 years young, after which, the natural narrowing of capillaries would induce the syndrome. And there would be little or no external causes to this.

We posted the information on slavrsyndrome as an education resource from OUR findings. There is no intention to monetize on this information, and is simply our contribution. You will find no more major changes to the website, other than some functional updates or any other findings that may come from OUR limited research.

The syndrome abbreviation did not come from a name. It came from the functional representation, which means: SELF-LIMITED (it has remissions and resolves along with organ health) ATYPICAL (abnormal) VASCULAR (this one you know) RESPONSE (post stress) SYNDROME. I don’t understand where maniac Gbolduev goes with this. We had to give it some type of a name that would be a reflection of our findings.

Now whether you find it valuable to your case or not, is going to be your experience. The information was put together in a very rough manner, as all of us have jobs, families and interests to attend to, and no time to dedicate to significant matters such as chronic illnesses. What we have learned, helped us to regain the sanity in our lives, and we’re EXCITED to share it with people like you. There is no conspiracy to this.

Gbolduev’s position I either don't understand or AFRAID to understand. He started making aggressive posts on the forums promoting online bullying and other inappreciable methods.

I do not read his messages as they are speculative in nature, based on wrong assumptions and aggressive and most commonly offensive. If he is trying to treat people and get his name "recognized" It's his BUSINESS. But there seems to be more involvement there. If he is against people that get paid for what they do, such as doctors, then he should attack poiscenter.com that is running a finding program to find a cause of pois, as the person who runs the forums even prevents any information posted on his forums.

I think we have enough problems in our societies already. Why add to rage??? Why offend others??? Why discriminate the opinions?

“trolling with Dr lin” Gbolduev, grow up. Dr. Lin is your competitor, isn't he? Why don't you attack every single post on the web that discusses health? A lot of information on the web is contradicting. And people have the right to post and share their experiences. It's up to the readers to decide if they want to know it or not. Run a script on a bunch of servers and take the ENTIRE medical research community down! Shut down the hospitals, burn the drugs, you are the man!

You should pay respect to other people and their efforts, otherwise no one will pay respect to you. The social interaction is about listening, accepting, realizing your faults, providing a feedback and improving on the understanding of issues. It's not about a "wolf and his piece of land". And you seem to have animal instincts - biting, pissing, making noises and worst of all, doing it behind other peoples' backs. I'm pretty confident, should you be in the crowd, you'd be the first to punch people's faces. And that's what you do on forums. You have been told to stop bullying other people many times on other forums. In all different languages, and by many different people.You have thousands of "clients", get a couple of them well and be happy. Until then, just stop this idiocy. To keep even one person in good health, you'd need to spend lifetime. "Thousands" sounds more than outside of the scope an medical institution can handle.

And on the last note, you do realize Gbolduev where your success with zinc, copper and manganese comes? Including other vitamins and nutrients you suggest? You affect the metabolic status, most importantly through the thyroid function. This attenuates the stress response, and the neurological impact on the vascular system. It does not necessarily address the root issue as to WHY this person's vascular system is under chronic vasoconstriction state. Yes, the symptoms with all your suggestions may improve, but the full remission is unlikely until the vascular health is addressed. We have provided the clues and the reason for POIS to occur in the first place to let others find a best approach to resolve each individual case.

Marc.

[slavrs]

And Gbolduev, stop corrupting everyone's ideas. The informational freedom is NOT your domain. Do your thing, treat your "patients"and proclaim yourself the "know it all". It's your choice. Yet, do NOT make wars. It's immoral and your behavioral patterns seem abnormal.

If you have 100% solution for people suffering from symptoms here, post your solution so that people could use it to help themselves. At slavrsyndrome.com we did post everything we knew up to this point as per our own research and not per your theories on "how progesterone is made or how niacin affects ammonia and results in reduction of symptoms", which is absolutely irrelevant in the scope of the condition. Not progesterone, not zinc, not manganese, not thyroid hormones, not estrogen and all other things you throw at people here are responsible for the disease alone and not in the way you describe they affect their symptoms. Playing with hormones and nutrition will influence the symptomatology, yet, it will not necessarily address their issues. The body is NOT made of 20 elements you keep drooling on all the time.

On the other hand, I'm a little skeptical in your professional competency as you have stated before that you caused your own POIS by "taking too much zinc when you were under stress" which caused your POIS. How is it a so knowledgeable nutritional specialist does it to himself to lead it to such an extreme as POIS? Aren't these basics??? Then you state about fasting for 25 days, giving people literally a sure way to harm themselves so profoundly, they may never recover? Do you even realize what impact your "fly-by" statements mean? Do you comprehend that some people are trying things you carelessly post? Even a healthy individual may damage the pancreas significantly within 10 days of fasting?

People can do their own hair tests and see what minerals they need, and ask their doctors about the meaning of their hormone tests. Even the hair test labs provide with sufficient interpretation, which you actually post everywhere as your own finding. People may not need your advise to "add copper to reduce the zinc or add zinc to reduce the copper". The impact of these adjustments alone will not produce any significant improvements. Or how to balance this and that. It's all available freely in the public domain without your self proclaimed help. You are confusing the heck out of people with your balancing. It will produce more negative effects on these people and MORE than you can imagine. With all your advises, and right now, people are getting hurt, because zinc deficiency alone does NOT mean a person needs an immediate supplementation with zinc. There must be other issues that cause this person to be deficient some minerals. I'm just using zinc as an example obviously, since you are toying with any nutrient you can find on the web, that's somehow connected to the issues you had when you literally poisoned yourself with zinc. Yes, you CAN poison yourself with zinc.

This got to the point of being disgusting, Gbolduev. I'm absolutely terrified to hear what you do, how you do it, what type of person you are in real life. Just read your posts, they smell. You produce pollution of information that leads to endless discussions that do not help with issues people may have. You take a title of a "nutritional specialist that trains doctors", yet, your knowledge is very limited and you bounce back and forth between basics, finding studies on the web, and rewriting their content in your own words. A real professional nutritional specialist will not entertain himself posting on the forums about what bacteria produces ammonia and how it affects POIS. A specialist will most likely be spending most of his time on self development and making conclusions he can apply in real practice attending to a limited number of individuals, long term. Most nutritional specialists can handle about 30-100 patients in their practice IF the practice is well organized. You treat thousands on the other hand! And you are soooo good at other things, and you have so much time too to sit all day and post and post and post.

In the end Gbolduev, if you were such a specialist, why has it never occurred to you that estrogen, progesterone and all other things you've played with affect the most important part of a human body - the vascular system?  As much as you are knowledgeable, you had never addressed the most important issues, toying with hormones and supplements. How can you treat people with such a limited testing???

Do you know their family history? Vascular diseases they have been predisposed to?
Is human body really that simple as the 10 hormones, minerals and vitamins you are drooling on?
Is nutritional balancing a really a cure to all diseases?
Can you fix DNA with nutritional balancing?
Are all these people really so toxic their bodies just give up?
Is copper toxicity such a prevalent issue???
Why zinc and copper ratios vary so much from person to person and never affects healthy people?

You ridicule yourself with EVERY POST YOU MAKE.

Who needs to know all this information about biochemistry you post if people do not know what's going on with them in the first place? Theories about metal toxicity? Those who specialize in biochemistry having a hard time understanding the interactions. Yet, Mr. Gbolduev knew it all before anyone. Mr. Gbolduev had already knew what slavrsyndrome.com is going to be about. Mr. Gbolduev has a system that works 100%. Mr. Gbolduev treated thousands of cases with zinc, copper, manganese and vitamin B5 supplement in his free time free of charge, and all these people are now happy and healthy forever. Mr. Gbolduev you are godsend. Please help us all. The whole medical industry needs to be re-educated to do what they do. Nobody gets any help from doctors, only Mr. Gbolduev has it nailed. You keep educating and consulting your doctors all the time, and they just stay stupid and uneducated! All the correct information on the web is just what Mr. Gbolduev knew before it was discovered. They have just copied his thoughts and ideas.

I have read some of your posts on social sites and how you claimed you know everything about everything, and GUARANTEED to people to CURE THEM while all other doctors' opinions were pissed at. How do you even explain this type of behavior? You absolutely have mental issues that need to be addressed by a so called "stupid" professional doctor that "wasted" all his life to be in the position he is in.

As for our efforts, we do not seek anything in return. We have discovered and narrowed it down to the capillaries and sinusoids which is the MAJOR eye opening factor in POIS history. Understanding the nature of it, is what WILL help these people to manage their symptoms and get a more targeted treatment. Nutritional balancing is not a solution alone, although it may alleviate the symptoms. People should know that so called "balancing" may not rule out other conditions, even genetic. You feed your so called "patients" with vitamins and minerals and spinach alone, their symptoms may improve in as much as in 10-15%, and may hide the potentially dangerous conditions. Do you even realize it?? How dare you to "treat" people without proper diagnostics and a real patient history and a doctoral degree? You are a nutritional specialist, and not a scientist, or even a doctor. Stop practicing what's illegal. Because you may become one of those that kill people. You reduce / mask their symptoms, and they go on their way, while a real condition may progress.

http://slavrsyndrome.com/ [nofollow] is there for only one purpose - AWARENESS. It's a supplemental information to help in diagnosis. It's there to let people understand that POIS is vascular in nature and should be treated as such. Many cardiovascular conditions can cause POIS alone, and as long as people know what they are dealing with, it will only help them.

What a waste of time talking to an obsessed individual that posts so much misleading information! These forums are being abused at this point. I'll refrain from posting from now on. I'm sorry, but Gbolduev just got on my nerves and intoxicated me and 2 other people involved in our project with his aggressiveness and ignorance towards the values of social respect.

As for the "CURE" for POIS, there will most likely be no single finding that would apply to everyone of you and that could be fixed with a single "drug". In Western medicine and only under prescription of a doctor, the fastest way to get a relief from POIS symptoms is to use a beta-blocker such as propranolol, some time before the stressor, such as an orgasm. In Eastern domain, it's overall body health that needs to be addressed, specifically the capillary health yet, using natural vasodilating agents will immediately relieve you of most symptoms in stages 1 and 2 as described at http://slavrsyndrome.com [nofollow]

Not knowing what POIS was, actually was the worst part. Now we know.

Marc.

[LAPOISSE2]

hum...Can't wait for the Herman's answer...not sure it will go in a scientific direction...but surely entertaining ; )

[Prancer]

It'll be interesting to watch the responses that's for sure.

Sorry slavrs, I didn't realize that SLAVRS is actually an acronym and not actually your name (which was the impression I got from reading other posts). I visited the slavrsyndrome website, and I actually don't see anywhere where money is being requested or where something is being sold for a profit. It was very lazy of me not to visit the website before, just to check it out. (I once again relied on earlier posts giving me the impression that you were selling something.)

I'm going to watch from the sidelines for a little bit and not post anything for a while to see where the discussion goes.

I take no sides of course, have no bias and, like everyone else, am interested only in reading correct information that could lead to a cure. Herman seems very legitimate to me (and slavrs does too). If slavrs is truly not advertising, requesting money or recommending that people take something dangerous (if he is, someone needs to please prove all this and show where), then of course it would be wrong to censor him. Also, I respect Herman a lot and he's a very smart guy, but I agree that it does tend to get annoying and very concerning when he is constantly giving snappy responses to everyone he disagrees with. Facts and science usually speak for themselves and require very little emotion. By the way, Herman has also directly claimed here that there is a cure for cancer. If you have a cure for cancer Herman, please do us a favor and share that with the medical community tonight so you can save the 7.6 million people that that die every year from it. If Herman's right about POIS in the end, great! If "slavrs" (Marc) is right in the end, fantastic! If someone else finds the cause & cure, then that's great too, but until then it would be great to not prematurely accuse people of advertising or giving wrong information without any proof.

[B_Daniel]

hum...Can't wait for the Herman's answer...not sure it will go in a scientific direction...but surely entertaining ; )

It would definitely be entertaining. But it's got to stop.  This is ruining progress in the forum and too much of this will eventually lead to reprecussions, like an instatement of strict rules or worse yet the closing of this forum (as CertainlyPOIS has warned about).

And i think most important of all is that we're all playing on the same team and should be working together.

A few points i'd like to make: Herman, slavrs didnt steal your idea. And if things he says appear similar to yours, that's a really good thing because it shows simarities between your theories. If what he's describing is dystonia then i think he'd be interested to learn that. He clearly has no profit motive here and isnt trying to feed us BS to make money (like "Dr" Lin does for a living). Lastly,  Herman, many of us love to hear your take on things. So keep doing it. But if people are phony it'll play out over time. You gotta give ppl a chance.

Slavrs:  This website had been up and running for +/- 6 yrs now.  We are the largest body of POIS members in the world and between us we track a good amount of every sexual fatigue related article or study or website that's ever come out.  We know all the top specialists as well.  If you come in and deliver a vague statement that you have organised a study of 27 individuals and have solved the riddle we've been working on for most of our lives, we have good reason to be skeptical.  It seems like every few weeks we get another nutjob that claims he can help. Please see "Dr" Lin's post above if u want a good example. This guy is the worst of the worst and is trying to sell us large doses of cadmium if u can believe it.

[B_Daniel]

In addition to us naturally being skeptical, you exacerbated the problem by initially telling us nothing about yourself or how you got started.  People put on masks to hide their identity when they rob banks; not when you're helping people.  I personally feel better now that youve told us about yourself but I still am a bit perplexed in how you 27 individuals managed to not find us over the last 6 years, and how you grew to a size of 27 without us hearing about you- but it's certainly possible and i no longer doubt it.

I will say that im impressed that your group managed to align the interests of all of your members and collect money and perform a study.  We tried to do something similar here but it quickly turned political.  Two of the guys that were leading the fund-raising left to create their own island called poiscenter.com (that you apparently found). It took over a year to raise the $33k and during the fund-raising period people started to raise mixed feelings about the management of the study.  The two guys basically responded by making their island uninhabitable for many of us by restricting lots of posting.  Another member on this forum once quipped to me "[poiscenter] is possibly the only sufferers support forum in the world where people can't even discuss their disease."  At this point in time, the forums are divided in that poiscenter manages the $33k study and here on this forum we continue to scientifically discuss our pois theories.

In regards to Gbolduev, he's naturally skeptical and defensive. Please remember youve been around a few days whereas he's devoted a ton of his time to us over the last 8 months. as an aside I believe we owe him a great debt of gratitude for his time.  The nutritional balancing that he endorses takes years to fully work. But many of those of us that have been on it for a while are feeling the best we ever have. And unlike you stated, the goal of his treatment is not a short term cover-up of the symptoms, but a full cellular and blood level eradication of the underlying cause.  This is proved by improving blood test results, not just symptomatic relief.  Believe it or not, it may turn out that you and your 26 members might be lucky to have found us as opposed to us you.  This will be exciting to see.

In sum, Slavrs, we appreciate you reaching out to us.  We'd be interested in having your members join our forum to discuss their personal experiences with and their recovery paths so that we may learn from you.  Or create a section on your website where we can read personal stories and post questions to your members. Let's learn from each other. Welcome to the forum.

[slavrs]

Daniel,

That's understandable. Yet, the fact is that the POIS is no longer a MYSTERY ILLNESS as to the aspects of the symptomatic causes. All these supplements that were used for years without realizing their actual affect on those with POIS, were the mystery. As in example of the fenugreek, why did it help? Simple. It dilated capillaries. Without getting in all the talk about how estrogen dilates the capillaries, it's a powerful estrogen and progesterone receptor binding agent. I would assume in the 2/1 ratio. The same action is used by lactating women - it dilates their ducts and improves microcirculation without raising their estrogen levels. Or why niacin does work for some and doesn't for others.

The vascular nature of the condition, explains the effects of all vasoconstrictors and vasodilators people have been using with success as described here:
http://slavrsyndrome.com/conditions/pois-post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome/ [nofollow]

I'm very happy we could provide another clue to the cumulative efforts to solve another puzzle.

To reduce "the toxic load" I will not reply or engage with posts pertaining to "Gbolduev" attacks. He is welcome to take credit for everything humanity knows. As long as it helps.

Marc.

[Kima]

Hi
Mark
You'll sell dietary supplements as Dr. Richards?

Johnny.

[B_Daniel]

We discussed vasorestrictors / vasodialators for a long period of time here but were left with many question marks.

Of your 27 members, could you provide some color on avg percent relief from treatment/ management and at some point round up a few personal stories to share? Thanks

[gondal4]

DONT FIGHT HERE

[GDRTW]

I would like to also put in my 5 cents worth and say could all the bickering talk please stop. We need to be open to all open to potential new findings that could help us get over this hell. I am off to the doctor tonight as I have just realized that I have been ignoring a varicose vein on my foot for far too long. I am not sure if that has been instrumental in any circulation issues that could have an impact on me in the form of POIS and my EMS but it needs to be looked at anyway. I have recently increased my zinc intake which has definitely had a positive on me. There has been a lot of progress since even a year ago.

[LAPOISSE2]

hum...Can't wait for the Herman's answer...not sure it will go in a scientific direction...but surely entertaining ; )

It would definitely be entertaining. But it's got to stop.  This is ruining progress in the forum and too much of this will eventually lead to reprecussions, like an instatement of strict rules or worse yet the closing of this forum (as CertainlyPOIS has warned about).

And i think most important of all is that we're all playing on the same team and should be working together.

A few points i'd like to make: Herman, slavrs didnt steal your idea. And if things he says appear similar to yours, that's a really good thing because it shows simarities between your theories. If what he's describing is dystonia then i think he'd be interested to learn that. He clearly has no profit motive here and isnt trying to feed us BS to make money (like "Dr" Lin does for a living). Lastly,  Herman, many of us love to hear your take on things. So keep doing it. But if people are phony it'll play out over time. You gotta give ppl a chance.

Slavrs:  This website had been up and running for +/- 6 yrs now.  We are the largest body of POIS members in the world and between us we track a good amount of every sexual fatigue related article or study or website that's ever come out.  We know all the top specialists as well.  If you come in and deliver a vague statement that you have organised a study of 27 individuals and have solved the riddle we've been working on for most of our lives, we have good reason to be skeptical.  It seems like every few weeks we get another nutjob that claims he can help. Please see "Dr" Lin's post above if u want a good example. This guy is the worst of the worst and is trying to sell us large doses of cadmium if u can believe it.

Yeah I totally agree...my endless POIS state put me the position to seek for any kind of stupid distraction...

As long as it's non profit and non dangerous statement, we should take into consideration any contributor of this forum...

Two remarks about Slavrs theory :

My GP told me a year ago that I had a blood vessel constriction problem due to orgasm...It's decribed and called "post migraine cephalgia"...he put me on ketoprofen and propanadol...while it helps symtomaticly, it did'nt solve the root problem...additionaly I had an angiography wich shows no dilated brain vessels and I've had my blood pressure wich is constantly normal

Slavrs, if you did a scientific research, it would very intersting to share the methodology and the results with us...We have an extensive experience and have done 5373838 blood test all together...maybe be we can validate/invalidate/modify your theory.  I think that would be a better contribution than indicate treatment/cure therapy that we have all know for years.

Cheers

[Gbolduev]

 SLAVRS

Beilive me, anyone  who has  an INVESTOR has   the monetary motive  , especially someone  who   totally imposters  the well know Syndrome. 

Yet, the fact is that the POIS is no longer a MYSTERY ILLNESS as to the aspects of the symptomatic causes.

My friend it was not a mistery to us for a long long time,  we are looking at  a system how everyone  can fix it at once,and you send us to  doctors.  Who cares how symptom is triggered, we all knew it was histamine   acetylcholne and vasodilation problem,  Every single body knew it on this FORUM and  you act like you told us something new, which  you did not at all.    What causes it in  each individual  is the problem, and the problem that you have no answer for.  I dont  understand why you dont get it. It is like talking to a wall.

In the end Gbolduev, if you were such a specialist, why has it never occurred to you that estrogen, progesterone and all other things you've played with affect the most important part of a human body - the vascular system?

SLAV ,  are you a joker or what, the only reason why I am talking about  VVD    and vascular desease  and the reason I knew about it, since  every single body was diagnosed with it on the RUSSIAN FORUM----- do you get this   EVERYBODY and Victor  will prove it  when he posts. They all went to doctors with this syndrome and  tried to cure it same as you suggest.   I mentioned it  6 months ago,  as I specifically  stated that most people with POIS have dystonia,  and that   IT IS NOT A CAUSE OF POIS.   

This is one of  the posts where I mentioned  Vascular  Dystonia   6 months ago.

VIncent M,  overactive  imflammation response and  incorrect work of your glands create problems  in your body ,   high  histamine, inflammed blood vessels, prostate , semen pathways. Also your  calcium  metabolism is impaired,  which  effects   the contractions of  blood vessels.   That is why you feel like blood does not go  into your brain.  Also  this could block  adrogenic hormones from your testicles. And thus you will have lower  testosterone levels.    You can fix this  within 3 months.   You have to  go on the regimen  and at the same time do some exercises  to get the  nutrients to your  pelvic  area,   there is  a blockage there.   

And on the Russian  site, I have discussed  Vascular Dystonia  very often and   can be  proven by Victor.


You are so far behind us  , it is not even funny.  I am not playing with  hormones, I balance  the body chemistry  to precisely   perfect  condition ,  where all hormone and  most  of the systems  start working  the same.  And cardio vascular  system also.  Where do you get  cardiovascular  problem,  rookie? you get it from  mineral and chemical  balance of the body. 

As far as my knowledge is concerned,  I posted the CAUSE of POIS,   6 months  ago before your site was even born.,  So I guess I am  6 months "smarter "than you.   And it is  so easy to just  go and read all my information and then add your bs crap. 


You said you would not post here. But obviously  it  contradicts your agenda.  Your information on your site is the most useless information  ever as everyone could see.  Stop advertising your crap here.   VVD is not slavrs , stop it already. 
I have real results with people and your level of knowledge  is  kindergarden based  on the supplements and procedures you recommend on  your site.How can you  even argue about this .

Stop lying about  me  balancing thyroid already. I dont use  managanese  zinc and copper alone.  I use almost every minerals and  vitamin   in specific ratios and the results speak for themselves.

You  on the contrary  are an imposter of an existing condition  VVD and totally  clueless of the balance in the body.
One more time for you ,  VVD is not the cause of POIS  and CFS, if you dont get it   it is your problem.
I cant beilive you had a nerv to post here, imposter. 
You have no idea what I Know and stop pretending  that you do,  constantly  trying simpify things and claim thart I do this and I do that.  People here know what I do and it is not  suggeting some stupid exercises and  vitamin C  like you do.

Bottom line:

1)  You  are an imposter of  existing condtion  Vegetative  Vascular  Dystonia, which  you can be sued  for and you will be
2) You have no awareness of the  balance in the body.( as I wrote to you  Sherlock,  I balance   NA/K(electricity ratio)  CA/MG(sugar, vasodilation ratio)  NA/MG( adrenals)  CA/K (thyroid ratio) CA/P  ( acidity ratio)
all at once. Where do you see here thyroid balancing , imposter?  AGAIN your lies are insane.
3)  Vegetative  Vascular dystonia is caused by NA/K and CA/MG  imbalance , and it is not the cause of CFS or POIS. Get real
4) You  claimed that you wont post here, yet   you do.  Another huge lie ,since  you do have an AGENDA
5)  You argue with the system  which was developed by  dr ECK who spent 40 years of researching and testing?
It balances all systems in the body at  once.  And  your research is  mismal  crap,  comparing to what I did and especially  what work dr Eck  implemented.
6) You troll with  people tests on  this site,  which you should be banned for completely. Of course you would deny it. but it is a fact.  You were  talking about this zinc and all of a sudden  Dr LIN shows up  claiming zinc  toxicity. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED, since you played with  peoples minds here, imposter.
7) You advertise your portal here,  which  you  shoudl be BANNED for.
  Your site  does not provide  any  usefull information and people were disappointed totally , since  you  came on as a cocky know it all . In the end,  all treatments were copied from POIS center, and you  give absolutely  no direction for people.  Absolutely none.
9)  You  spend my time and peoples time here by  engaging in these discussions, which make no sense,  since you just impostered  VVD and you know nothing and have  no real suggestions  except  go find yourself a doctor.LMAO
10)  You contantly   lie about  what I do and try to  give me characteristics and  abilities that you are not aware of , and this  is defammation , which you can be  sued for. Your site is public , and I know what you know since you posted it there,   you on the other hand have no idea of what I do and how I look at the  problem, since you did nto have  even time to read this forum.  You never posted here, nor your 27 imposter friends, and yet you claim they are feeling better,   YOU ARE ONE BIG FAT LIER.  And it is  very obvious  to people here.
11) why did you create a website , if you  cant direct people,  except  telling them to go find a   doctor.
12) The website will be created shortly   and I will link it to your website and I will  put truth on everything  your agenda is about,    What is VVD  and how you impostered it and how you   jut took  4 main  desteases and  tried to  put them all around   dystonia  which  you called your NAME.   You are an opportunistic shmuch my friend.
13)  You  dont have to BS people here anymore, they see your site,  why do you explain things,  like this site was created by this and that person,  WE dont care about that,   People that looked at  it   claimed it wothless
14) You copied all the information that I provided  on the forum  onto your site , especially in the POIS section , I  came up with it  half a year ago,  EXACTLY WHEN YOU STARTED YOUR RESEARCH.   You started and I provided, you see the difference.  How can you  even  open your mouth here. I dont get.
I hate liars and you sir   is the  biggest one of them . You  have no idea of my knowledge and yet you constantly  claim  that I do this and that,  READ the forum  at least 100 pages back and you will know what I do,  but I guess you are too busy  promoting your bogus  fake  syndrom. 
The article in the respected magazine will  be ordered soon  clarifying your imposterous attempt , I will pay for it, since I think imposters  are the  lowerst people on this planet and  should be punished.


And dont  you dare  troll with  peoples  tests anymore. 

Vasodilation is not the cause of POIS,  Fenugreek helps but does not  take off POIS symptoms. Nothing that you mentioned takes off  POIS symptoms, otherwise people would use it here.
Of course vasodialation  is important and  progesterone  estrogen  balance also,  if you read this forum you would know that  I  explained it in detail.   vascular system imbalnce  is the imbalance same as  impotentce,   premature ejaculation,  POIS, CFS   fibromalgia,  it is the symptom of the  imbalance, and it goes away  as any other imbalance... And nothing is based on  VVD, VVD is a separate symptom, I cant beilive you dont understand it.
I had a desease and I know what is true and what not,  same as people on this forum , vasodilation  is   the part of the problem and not the main  issue of  POIS or CFS..  We discussed  vasodilation  years ago here  and   tried everything for it. LMAO   and this guy comes out  in 5 years and puts us 5 year back again.

And that is not his theory ,  gazzillion people discussed it already before here and did extensive testing  on it.   Vasodialation  problem is the  side effect of the main  array of imbalances.  Which basically SLAVS  admits. So why would we concentrate on some side effect  and not on the main reason...I  created a system  where everyone can find their imbalance , their personal imbalance  which led to   Vascular dysonia,  POIS ,  CFS.   SLAVS basically says the same thing,  only  has no  solutions for it , except going to some doctors and looking for it. 
I dont get how is this  anything different from what I am saying.  The only difference that  this guy   put his name on something that already existed  like VVD and  at the same time  does not undestand that VVD is the same imbalance as POIS  and CFS and  all others  and not the cause of the latter.  Anyone with any knowledge of the biochemistry   admits it , and he admits it , since he  sends you to doctors to correct the imbalance.   Well, Slavr  , if you are  trying  to manipulate body chemistry  to correct the imbalance, then you are doing what I am doing exactly/  since NA/K ratio is  estrogen progesterone  ratio as you would know  if you read the forum. 



NA-- stimulated by aldosterone  and estrogen
K stimulated by  progesterone  and cortisol
CA and MG  are buffer systems  for  NA and K in the cell

NA/K ratio is the  ratio of  estrogen  to progestero,and aldosterone to  cortisol.
the  imbalance of this ratio leads to either infection, if the ratio is low and inflammation if the ratio is high.
CA/K ratio is the thyroid ratio
CA/P is the acidity  ratio.

So with  the imbalance of any of those  ratios come symptoms,   and every imbalance  constitute symptom.

Like as an example  Low NA/K ratio,  the person will have depression,  infections,  resentment ,  hostility , allergies,   low estrogen,  low managese low bound copper,  low  adrenal function.

Impaired  Ca/Mg  ratio  which is the main problem for vasodilation  symptom and sugar problems.
You  see SLAVRs,   mineral ratios stand much before your  stupid symptomatic syndrome,  minerals make the cell, and they are  the begining of the process...You are already explaning the  symptomatic part of it,  and you  should study  body chemistry and undestand how  interactions work before you engage in any  crazy discussions.

In the end you suggest the same minerals and vitamins,  since  all the herbs  are made out of them...And you  instead of  understanding how  fenugreek works , just post us information from the internet,   FENUGREEK this and that, and  it makes estrogen  receptors this and that.HOW does it make it?  HOW   tell us.  you clueless imposter/

Fenugreek is made out of vitamins and minreals,  sherlock,  which  component of fenugreek  helps with  with POIS for some people ?     DUH?     
the answer is choline,  you imposterous rookie.

I rest my case, since you  have a lot of nerv to argue with me,  having absolutely inferiour knowledge on the subject.

[B_Daniel]

Haha damn.