[gcrisp]

Attached is a doc to read for anyone interested in participating.
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None of the links work in a png of course!
Here they are:
http://www.thincs.org [nofollow]
http://www.thincs.org/members.htm [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVf-00w5gk&list=UUR_kFbcwWy1cKLCkmcMf4lg [nofollow]
http://www.ihealthtube.com/aspx/viewvideo.aspx?v=9dfc150b1813e8db [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMae2f68QqM [nofollow]

PS:
IN CASE I HAVN"T MADE IT CLEAR, ALL 3 STEPS OF THE PLAN NEED TO BE FOLLOWED TO HAVE ANY CHANCE OF GETTING THE DESIRED EFFECT. THEY ARE INTER-DEPENDANT.
I have had several people say they have been doing step 1 or some of step 3 for a long time and it has had no effect. I agree
Would you mix up all the ingredients for a cake and not bother to put it in the oven?

[alphaq]

Hello Acronym

I appreciate your questions and recruitment, I have answer to all of them .
Starting with- infertile men, have high ASA counts, do not feel any symptoms of POIS is because they have imperfect blood-testis junction. So blood comes in contact with sperm cell,develop ASA and harm it. People with such problem get infertile. Also they develop High ASA count. They do not feel any cognitive problems we POISers feel because their sperm has 'not' entered bloodstream (Fight goes on in testis). So no vasoconstriction is ordered by the body, therefore they have no cerebral hypoxia.

People with high ASA can be either infertile or have POIS. Both POIS and infertility can cause to develop elevated ASA levels. People with High ASA and cerebral hypoxia should have POIS. I will search on for such people.

-->Niacin Before an O,

Niacin Helps before an O as, When one has took niacin before an O it orders Vasodialation, now After ejaculation body orders for vasoconstriction, So both the forces get equal and opposite and cancel each other. POISer feels normal As bloodflow remains normal. Vasodialating effects of niacin are for long time and it maintains normal bloodflow till POISer gets relieved from symptoms.

--> Taking Niacin After an O.

When body Is already vasoconstricted after an O, many narrow blood channels like that in brain get even more narrowed, Bloodflow to those channels has already decreased So that amount of niacin required in those channels to create it's vasodialating effects gets insufficient. Take it this way, Earlier (before an O) suppose 2mg of niacin entered a channel and created helpful effects , now due to vasoconstriction and narrow blood channel say like 0.25mg of niacin could enter that channel. Still some vasodoalation is there but it is not enough and we may feel cerebral hypoxia. And By channels I mean arteries to brain. So , taking niacin after an O, Both the forces are not equal, vasoconstriction is dominant. Therefore It is required that Niacin must be taken before an O. in order to elevate from POIS symptoms.

POIS from puberty is essentially 'plumbing problem' but for some people in their 40's that have developed POIS, Many factors may be involved that caused semen spill in them . It may be that their prostate has start the spill or seminal vesicle. tough question though, Place of Spill should be determined experimentally and spill site may differ from person-person.

MrVat7

I actually think that the vasoconstriction theory is very possible,  and is likely to contribute to most of the cognitive symptoms. Why its plausible is that many actually feel pressure/headaches inside the head along with the cognitive symptoms, which imply a physical manifestation/obstruction that's contributing to the symptoms.

Although I have asked a friend, who is a med student, whether vasoconstriction can be the main cause, but he told me it's unlikely, as the vasoconstriction/cerebral hypoxia would cause stroke-like symptoms.

But I think this is clear - instead of just changes at the neurotransmitter and chemical level, there's also some physical changes to the brain during POIS.

[gcrisp]

Hey B_Jim
The point is not that reduction in polyunsaturated will help POIS, simply that you should as an alternative, be consuming food with saturated fats in order to promote brain cell rebuild and maintenance.
Our bodies are marvelous entities, but even they cannot build something from nothing.
Why would you send a carpenter to a building site without nails or a nail gun?
Our bodies need all the building blocks we struggle to get in modern polyunsaturated, low fat, low this,  high that, only .05% something else or other.
What happened to real food?
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[gondal4]

i never reduce fat because i live in poor third world country where fat reducing food not availble? why i have pois?
It is not becuase of diet i have pois becuase of werner syndrome wrn gene mutation,others have other problems to cause pois

[gcrisp]

Hi gondal4
I appreciate your comments, and I think it most likely that POIS sufferers may have several reasons why they are balanced on the edge of a proverbial cliff, a cliff that the massive hormonal release of an orgasm triggers them to go over the edge.
Saturated fat is only part of the equation, and as you say, this may not be a problem in your country.
But there are at least 90 essential nutrients that our body needs, and it is rare in any environment that we get them all. Especially in western countries.
I would suggest as a minimum you try Magnesium dicitrate , plus riboflavin plus Coenzyme Q10 in order to improve your mitochondrial metabolism. This may be a more cost effective solution than the wide spectrum Youngevity product I suggested.
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[BrettA]

I will be presenting on my experience with POIS at the Stanford School of Medicine on February 6th as part of the "Engage and Empower Course" on patient engage.  Feel free to check out the live stream. 

[POIS-SUFFERER]

I do not remember this being mentioned here but who has extreme lack of drive, absolutely no motivation... now that said I am not depressed I want to do things, I have lots of hope down the road to achieve, just right now I am stuck. I have many things that need doing, many urgent, fix the shower, cook meals, answer work emails.... I want to do them, but actually putting my brain to work and do it is very difficult.... I say to myself do it, do it, answer that damn email, yet... I can not..... just can't put thoughts into real action......

Anyone else?

This is truly ruining my life, my wife's life and more importantly my kids lives!

PS.

[MrVat7]

Has anyone tried vasectomy to cure POIS ?

[gcrisp]

Hi B_Jim
You may have noticed my comments just a few posts back:
In my opinion it is not just the saturated fat that is important, but the ability for your brain to absorb it properly. Hence:

"I think it most likely that POIS sufferers may have several reasons why they are balanced on the edge of a proverbial cliff, a cliff that the massive hormonal release of an orgasm triggers them to go over the edge.
Saturated fat is only part of the equation, and as you say, this may not be a problem in your country.
But there are at least 90 essential nutrients that our body needs, and it is rare in any environment that we get them all. Especially in western countries.
I would suggest as a minimum you try Magnesium dicitrate , plus riboflavin plus Coenzyme Q10 in order to improve your mitochondrial metabolism. This may be a more cost effective solution than the wide spectrum Youngevity product I suggested."
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[gcrisp]

DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?

Prodromal Phase: Early Warning Signs

Several hours before the migraine begins -- and sometimes even the day before -- many people with migraines notice unusual sensations. They may feel:

Either unusually energetic and excitable or depressed
Irritable
Thirsty
Cravings for certain foods
Sleepy, with frequent yawning
Need to urinate more
In some cases, these symptoms before the headache can help health care providers diagnose the problem as migraines.

Aura Phase: Strange Sensations Arise

About 1 in 5 people with migraine develop an "aura" that begins before the headache or starts along with it. An aura may not occur with every headache.

An aura can include:

Changes in vision. Often visual symptoms begin first during the aura phase. During a migraine you may experience these vision changes:

A flickering, jagged arc of light. This may take a complicated shape. It usually appears on the left or right side of your vision. Over a few minutes, it may spread in size.
An area of vision loss. This problem -- combined with the flickering lights -- can make driving or focusing your eyes on small objects difficult.
"See" images from the past or hallucinations.
These symptoms may continue to grow more severe over the next several minutes.

Skin sensations. This part of the aura may cause tingling or "pins and needles" sensations in the body. It may also cause numbness. These feelings often affect the face and hands but can spread out across the body. The sensations may continue to expand over the next several minutes.

Language problems. During the aura phase of a migraine, you may have trouble communicating with others. Symptoms may include:

Difficulty expressing thoughts while speaking or writing
Trouble understanding spoken or written words
Confusion
Trouble concentrating
Attack Phase: The Headache Begins

The attack portion of a migraine episode can last for a few hours to several days. During this phase of the migraine, the person usually wants to rest quietly and finds normal activities difficult.

A defining quality of migraines is their pain. The pain of a migraine:

Usually begins above the eyes
Typically affects one side of the head, but it may strike the entire head or move from one side to the other. It may also affect the lower face and the neck.
Tends to have a throbbing intensity
May throb worse during physical activity or when you lean forward
May get worse if you become physically active
Other symptoms that may arise during this phase include:

Unusual sensitivity to light, sounds, and smells
Light-headedness and fainting
Nausea and vomiting

Followed by several days with a "cheesy feeling.
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[jack.1234]

Hi all,

I found about this condition on wikipedia. I have been suffering from like conditions for almost 2 years now. Out the list of conditions on wikipedia, I have the following after masturbation :

1) cognitive dysfunction (I find it hard to think)
2) discomfort
3) irritability
4) anxiety
5) craving for relief
6) depressed mood
7) difficulty reading and retaining information
difficulty concentrating
9) some fatigue
10) mild headache
11) light muscle pain

My symptoms last from 2-3 days. I found out about this forum on youtube, and seek some help. I want to find out if there is any medicine or any kind of supplement anyone has tried that has helped them resolve this problem.

Thanks.

[gcrisp]

Hi jack.1234
Have a look at my post on page #796:       Reply #19897 on: 23/01/2014 21:58:40

Orgasm may be triggering part of a migraine attack.
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[MrVat7]

I got POIS attack by pressing my testicles . has this thing occurred with anyone of you ?

[Omen 30]

try celibacy.it is a sure shot remedy for pois.even in the ancient indian history many kings and emperors have used this way for increasing their cognitive energy.all the human brains are not same,i think people with certain deficient neurotransmitters have pois.i have tried celibacy,it helps a lot.even vitamin d helps.

[InaDaze]

Hey guys i am new here and i feel like i begin by stating my symptoms and what i have done to combat these symptoms btw i am 19 years old and have dealing with this since i was 14, i dont know how i made it this far. The day after i immediately have a
Severe Headache
depression
No motivation
No interest in the opposite sex (pretty much asexual)
I dont care about anything or anyone barely even myself
Lack confidence, overly self concious, socially awkward and shy
I cant do work efficiently or survive in a social interaction for too long
No real physical pain though other than the fact that i immediately catch a cold.
After about 3-7 days It all goes away and i am the friendliest guy on earth and I am the smartest guy and most talkative person in all of my classes.
I have realized that eating chocolate helps my recovery and being around supportive family members (I havent told anyone)
I am glad to know there are others out there like me if there is any advice please help.
I am right now in day 3 of recovery so please excuse any bad grammar.
Also is there an estimated percentage of people who suffer from this?

[johanstefansson]

How many here have tried to stop the ejaculation and done this by pressing the penis so that the fluid does not get out. I think this stop has caused some damage to the circuit system of the penis, testicles and seminal fluid holder. I support mrvat7 theory.

I also think we ex pro masturbaters have really strong ejaculatory muscles, hence the bigger damage it causes.

Why not do a xray scan of the circuit system to check for leaks?

[johanstefansson]

When i sneeze really hard i strain my penis, its true, hurts like hell  []

[RD]

When i sneeze really hard i strain my penis, its true, hurts like hell  []

http://www.ehow.com/about_5612143_sneezing-groin-injury.html [?]

[MrVat7]

How many here have tried to stop the ejaculation and done this by pressing the penis so that the fluid does not get out. I think this stop has caused some damage to the circuit system of the penis, testicles and seminal fluid holder. I support mrvat7 theory.

I also think we ex pro masturbaters have really strong ejaculatory muscles, hence the bigger damage it causes.

Why not do a xray scan of the circuit system to check for leaks?

Hello Johanstefanson
First of all , thanks for your response. To check for leaks, x ray would not help much . We can use a better imaging technology to check for leaks like 'Angiography' of vas deferns. It would show place of leaks and then proper action could be taken .

[acronym]

Hey guys i am new here and i feel like i begin by stating my symptoms and what i have done to combat these symptoms btw i am 19 years old and have dealing with this since i was 14, i dont know how i made it this far. The day after i immediately have a
Severe Headache
depression
No motivation
No interest in the opposite sex (pretty much asexual)
I dont care about anything or anyone barely even myself
Lack confidence, overly self concious, socially awkward and shy
I cant do work efficiently or survive in a social interaction for too long
No real physical pain though other than the fact that i immediately catch a cold.
After about 3-7 days It all goes away and i am the friendliest guy on earth and I am the smartest guy and most talkative person in all of my classes.
I have realized that eating chocolate helps my recovery and being around supportive family members (I havent told anyone)
I am glad to know there are others out there like me if there is any advice please help.
I am right now in day 3 of recovery so please excuse any bad grammar.
Also is there an estimated percentage of people who suffer from this?

I had the exact same symptoms as you do but mine started around 16-17 (I was later with puberty...and Johan I did not hold it in). They faded in intensity as I got older (mid 30s), however they are devastating when you are young and in the prime social & educational era of your life. I found dark chocolate was good in a therapeutic way as well. I crave it, but there is a catch in that if I eat too much I feel worse. I have numerous food intolerances so all I can figure is it is due to something along these lines. It is not something I can eat everyday and also it helps somewhat for pois but is not really any sort of major break through in my opinion. It just helps. It does have a fair bit of saturated fat in it (which has been the topic of discussion recently). It is also high in Copper, Iron, Magnesium, Manganese & Zinc. It may be that you are low in one of these minerals. The user Gbolduev from Russia was a strong advocate of balancing these minerals, and believed imbalances in these (exacerbated by ejaculation & orgasm) were a major factor in why we suffered from pois.

I also found liver (lamb) and blue berries had a therapeutic effect for me.