[jerrygg38]

jerrygg38,

If you wanted to describe your own theories about aether, you should have opened your own thread.

My Thread was at a point where posters would reply to my claim of how my aether model can account for Quantum Entanglement, which was where your description of a whole different model of the aether cut in. It's been called hijacking someone else's thread.

  Did not mean to hijack your ideas.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

I don't consider my complaint to have been picayune. Quantum Entanglement (Q.E.) is a major mystery in Science.

In 1935 Einstein took note of this effect and called it "spooky action at a distance." Because of it, he called into question the very foundations of quantum mechanics, an opinion he never really changed.

Today, there is no theoretic model of any kind that accounts for Q.E. rationally and in detail, not in relativity theory, not in quantum mechanics, and up to now not ether theory either.

My ether model presents a neat and concise explanation for Q.E. The idea is that Ether basically consists of a matrix of elemental ether units which, being elemental, are matching and uniform, and that these units are in a state of constant vibratory resonance with each other, as their outward vibrations form loose connections. Such resonances would be perfectly linear, and would be what would account for the build up of larger energic units, up to the observed quantum-scale units which make up our atomically-structured world.

The ether-scale resonances occur between the elemental units themselves, and also include their resonances with the elemental "building blocks" that quantum units are made up of. In Q.E., the so-called "entangled" quantum units are, themselves, kinetically walled off, representing "cool arms" of a quiet, purring ether mechanism that can turn itself on and off, by itself, at any time.

Again, I think this model merits serious, close, careful consideration

[jerrygg38]

I don't consider my complaint to have been picayune. Quantum Entanglement (Q.E.) is a major mystery in Science.

In 1935 Einstein took note of this effect and called it "spooky action at a distance." Because of it, he called into question the very foundations of quantum mechanics, an opinion he never really changed.

Today, there is no theoretic model of any kind that accounts for Q.E. rationally and in detail, not in relativity theory, not in quantum mechanics, and up to now not ether theory either.

My ether model presents a neat and concise explanation for Q.E. The idea is that Ether basically consists of a matrix of elemental ether units which, being elemental, are matching and uniform, and that these units are in a state of constant vibratory resonance with each other, as their outward vibrations form loose connections. Such resonances would be perfectly linear, and would be what would account for the build up of larger energic units, up to the observed quantum-scale units which make up our atomically-structured world.

The ether-scale resonances occur between the elemental units themselves, and also include their resonances with the elemental "building blocks" that quantum units are made up of. In Q.E., the so-called "entangled" quantum units are, themselves, kinetically walled off, representing "cool arms" of a quiet, purring ether mechanism that can turn itself on and off, by itself, at any time.


Again, I think this model merits serious, close, careful consideration

Sounds interesting. Can you explain the Q.E. problem in a few words. right now it appears to me that you have a distribution of homogeneous building blocks that will tend to combine into the protons and electrons of our existence. I guess your model has the creation of these building blocks as space and time compresses.
   Thus the universe precipitates protons and electrons which are the same mass initially and then the proton wins the battle and takes over the center position. To me that is a possibility but am I understanding what you say correctly?

[MichaelMD (OP)]

If you are going to use behaviors of quantum units to judge the ether model for Q.E., I can't help, because the quantal systems that protons and electrons are incorporated into are basically different from my model for the ether. In my ether model, the key process is the vibrational resonances of elemental ether units, units which are uniform and interact perfectly linearly, so that, for example, the thermodyanmic effects observed at the level of quantum forces are absent. The mechanisms in quantum processes, such as spin, space vectors, non-matching units, wave effects, and so on, make it impossible to correlate protons, electrons, and such units with ether dynamics.

Quantum Mechanics theory tries to explain Q.E. entirely on the basis of quantal dynamics, which produces a disconnect with my ether model for Q.E., at the most basic level.

If you want to study what the quantum theories are doing to try to explain Q.E., you would want to read up on Bell's inequality Theorem, and the latest experiments on new methods of measuring certain properties of the quantum units in Q.E., especially the latest ones using clever ways of separating the measuring instruments to avoid introducing confounding variables.

But I don't believe quantum theory will ever come up with a coherent model for Q.E. I feel certain my ether model is the correct one.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

jerrygg38,

To answer the part of your question about how the ether produces larger units, like protons and electrons, I'll go into details about my model's viewpoint also.

In my model of the ether, the elemental ether units resonate linearly in such a way that their outward vibrations form loose connections between the elemental units. Such connections usually produce resonances forming entrainments, extending over distances, and along which energic impulses can travel electrically.

However, these resonance processes are not invariably the same, and can also produce aggregate entrainments forming larger energy units - "etheroidal" units, and on up, to the quantum scale units such as protons and electrons.

If you want to study the question of how etheric and etheroidal units may interact with quantum systems, I'd suggest reading up on Quasiparticles. Quasiparticles are produced in unusual experimental setups, and are observed as puzzling changes that occur to bosons (like electrons) and fermions. The puzzling moieties produced under such experimental conditions are termed "quasiparticles" when they involve changes to bosons, and when fermions are involved, it is referred to as a "state of elevated excitation."

I believe the quasiparticle phenomenon represents "etheroidal" units "escaping" their normal ether/vibrational setting and emerging suddenly and puzzlingly into our observable quantum setting.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

jerrygg38,

If you want to see the full details of my Ether Model, you could go to my Website.

Enter its title, "Ether, the only path to unifying cosmic forces."

[mad aetherist]

..............In 1925, another experiment was done, the Michelson-Gale-Pearson Experiment (MGPX), which was designed to investigate whether an "ether drag" effect could be measured. (This was intended to refine the MMX, which looked for a stationary ether, by seeing if a non-stationary ether, which is being "dragged" through space by the earth, could be shown to exist.) By the time of the MGPX in 1925, it was possible to measure the velocity of the rotation of Earth, and by also applying measurements of the Sagnac effect as another experimental refinement, it was believed that a drag-effect ether could be accurately tested for. (In the Sagnac effect, two separate light sources located on the equator of a rotating sphere are observed for any effect on the times of arrival of their light beams by the observer.) -The MGPX also showed a negative result, this time for a drag-effect ether...........................

I consider myself to be an expert re the rectangular pipeline vacuum MGPX.  This did not show a null or negative result. It showed the expected Sagnac fringeshift (as predicted~explained by Silberstein). Unfortunately as explained by Silberstein both aether & Einsteinian  theories explain the Sagnac fringeshift found by Michelson, whereas if the fringeshift had been less then this would indicate an aether drag (ie it would indicate an aether), which is what Michelson had hoped for, hencely the MGPX did not prove anything much one way or another.

Except that it did prove an aether. And it seems that only me myself knows. I will start a thread one day to explain.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

In my Ether Model, the key error made by Michelson, Morley, and the others who used optical measurements to detect an ether, was that they had falsely assumed that any kind of ether would have to be acting as an energically- inert "carrying" medium for light (photon transmissions.) -Whereas, in my ether model, the ether acts via vibrational resonances between elemental ether units. (Although it does also happen to act as a physical "medium" through which larger units like photons pass, through transmission "channels.") The vibratory resonances also extend from the elemental ether units to the much-larger energy units such as quantum units and photons. (Although we observe light via the photons, resonating with quantum/atomic energy systems such as our eyes, and although these energy effects occur via other kinds of mechanisms involving vectors, and spin effects, there still remains a very fundamental major other energy process going on which is the vibratory resonances that the elemental ether units are exerting upon the photons. -The photons, like everything else in the world, are ultimately made up of the elemental ether units.) -This fundamental vibratory electrical effect is the "other" force acting upon light transmission that the nineteenth and early twentieth century optical experiments failed to include. So in my Ether Model, those experiments, which physics to this day rely on to dismiss the theory of an ether, were using a false assumption which invalidated their null results for the existence of an ether.

[opportunity]

As a new theory, where is the thrust of conversation that makes contemporary science alerted to something really important? What is the key point?

[mad aetherist]

In my Ether Model, the key error made by Michelson, Morley, and the others who used optical measurements to detect an ether, was that they had falsely assumed that any kind of ether would have to be acting as an energically- inert "carrying" medium for light (photon transmissions.) -Whereas, in my ether model, the ether acts via vibrational resonances between elemental ether units. (Although it does also happen to act as a physical "medium" through which larger units like photons pass, through transmission "channels.") The vibratory resonances also extend from the elemental ether units to the much-larger energy units such as quantum units and photons. (Although we observe light via the photons, resonating with quantum/atomic energy systems such as our eyes, and although these energy effects occur via other kinds of mechanisms involving vectors, and spin effects, there still remains a very fundamental major other energy process going on which is the vibratory resonances that the elemental ether units are exerting upon the photons. -The photons, like everything else in the world, are ultimately made up of the elemental ether units.) -This fundamental vibratory electrical effect is the "other" force acting upon light transmission that the nineteenth and early twentieth century optical experiments failed to include. So in my Ether Model, those experiments, which physics to this day rely on to dismiss the theory of an ether, were using a false assumption which invalidated their null results for the existence of an ether.

If your aether is dynamic then it too should  give a fringeshift in an MMX -- & if your aether is fixed, with Earth spinning & orbiting throo it, then here it too should give a fringeshift. The only way it wouldnt give a fringeshift is if it were dragged 100% along & around with Earth. So i dont see how your aether could nullify an MMX (or an MGPX)(or a SagnacX).

[MichaelMD (OP)]

The basic idea of my ether model is that the ether is a universal matrix which acts via vibratory contact, or resonance, between a pair of elemental ether units, and between an elemental unit band a larger unit such as a photon. (This would be the most rational model to explain Quantum Entanglement, for example.)

There would not be any direct correlation between the ether and the kinds of observations you cite, which  arise from quantum energy systems, which operate via different dynamics, involving vectors and spin mechanisms. -Etheric forces are simple and act linearly. You can't observe their dynamics directly, because the ether is so rarified that we don't detect them directly by observation. Their effects can only be observed indirectly, such as by observing an etheric effect, such as levitation.

[mad aetherist]

The basic idea of my ether model is that the ether is a universal matrix which acts via vibratory contact, or resonance, between a pair of elemental ether units, and between an elemental unit band a larger unit such as a photon. (This would be the most rational model to explain Quantum Entanglement, for example.)

There would not be any direct correlation between the ether and the kinds of observations you cite, which  arise from quantum energy systems, which operate via different dynamics, involving vectors and spin mechanisms. -Etheric forces are simple and act linearly. You can't observe their dynamics directly, because the ether is so rarified that we don't detect them directly by observation. Their effects can only be observed indirectly, such as by observing an etheric effect, such as levitation.

Yes & no. For a fringeshift in say an MMX all u need is some photons moving along in some lawful way, & i daresay that your ether & my aether & others all allow photons to exist & to move along albeit by virtue of perhaps very different micro-effects but probably according to very similar laws, hencely an MMX in ether should be similar to an MMX in aether etc, unless your ether duznt allow photons to have waves or your ether allows photons to have variable speeds etc.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

mad aetherist,

Your and my models of an ether differ. -As an example, the way you referred to "waves," as a thing or property photons "have," differs from how waves are seen in my ether model.

In my model, elemental ether units interact through vibratory resonance between themselves, or between elemental ether units and a larger unit such as a photon. Photons themselves act to transmit the light we visualize, via field, vector, spin, and such quantal energic mechanisms, familiar to quantum physics. However, in my model, again, there is what can be called a "cutoff" zone, where etheric-type vibratory energy transitions to the quantal type of energy. This "zone" is where a vast "sea" of etheric vibratory units gradually are transitioning to the quantal world of energic dynamics, where photons and other quantum units interact via their own (non-vibratory) mechanisms. This transition zone is viewed, in my model, as where what we see as "waves" represent a "shoreline" effect, where a sea of ether units are transitioning to quantal units.

In my model, that ether world, of perfectly-linear vibrational energy, is not perceptible to us, because it is so rarified we can't detect it directly. -One observation might be mentioned that indirectly demonstrates how the more-fundamental ether form of energy does interact with our quantum/atomic world, would be Quantum Entanglement. -In my model, quantum entanglement represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in this phenomenon, with the "entangled" quantum units being kinetically "walled off," like cool "arms" of a quiet, purring, universal, ether mechanism.

I claim this is the only rational way to account for quantum entanglement. 

[mad aetherist]

mad aetherist,

Your and my models of an ether differ. -As an example, the way you referred to "waves," as a thing or property photons "have," differs from how waves are seen in my ether model.

In my model, elemental ether units interact through vibratory resonance between themselves, or between elemental ether units and a larger unit such as a photon. Photons themselves act to transmit the light we visualize, via field, vector, spin, and such quantal energic mechanisms, familiar to quantum physics. However, in my model, again, there is what can be called a "cutoff" zone, where etheric-type vibratory energy transitions to the quantal type of energy. This "zone" is where a vast "sea" of etheric vibratory units gradually are transitioning to the quantal world of energic dynamics, where photons and other quantum units interact via their own (non-vibratory) mechanisms. This transition zone is viewed, in my model, as where what we see as "waves" represent a "shoreline" effect, where a sea of ether units are transitioning to quantal units.

In my model, that ether world, of perfectly-linear vibrational energy, is not perceptible to us, because it is so rarified we can't detect it directly. -One observation might be mentioned that indirectly demonstrates how the more-fundamental ether form of energy does interact with our quantum/atomic world, would be Quantum Entanglement. -In my model, quantum entanglement represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in this phenomenon, with the "entangled" quantum units being kinetically "walled off," like cool "arms" of a quiet, purring, universal, ether mechanism.

I claim this is the only rational way to account for quantum entanglement.

I dont know what to think re quantum entanglement. Jean de Climont has some good articles & youtube stuff.
I  think electrons do strange things. Ivor Catt has some good articles & youtube stuff re fields & electricity & this.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

My model of quantum entanglement rests on the portion of my model, on how the ether originated, and how elemental ether units arose from a universal oscillation of point-localities. The resulting ether was thus the first energic "actor" of all, and universal. Therefore, the elemental ether units had to be the basic ingredients of everything from then on, including quantum units which later might become "entangled." That is why, in quantum entanglement, radiated packets of elemental ether units would be vibrationally resonant with entangled quantum units. This resonance would also be vibratory, and perfectly linear, rather than by quantal types of resonance involving fields, vectors, spin, waves, and so on.

Again, I claim this is the only rational model of quantum entanglement.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

My vibratory-ether-in-a-universal-ether-matrix Model is the only rational model for explaining quantum entanglement. A vibratory-type resonance acting amidst its surrounding matrix, composed of fundamental, elemental, etheric-energy units, represents the only possible explanation. Vibratory resonances are perfectly linear, whereas (so-called) explanations using standard quantum mechanics theory all use quantum forces, which involve fields, waves, vectors, spin, and so on. There is no way those models can account for this phenomenon.

I claim quantum entanglement involves radiated packets of etheric energy having the same vibratory pattern. The "entangled" pair of quantum units are composed of identical elemental ether units, that also make up the surrounding ether matrix, which accounts for the perfect connection of the quantum units.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

My Ether Model might become more readily understood by a capsule summary of the essential points. A basic key to the Model is the question of how quantum forces are actually transmitted.

The Model's basic idea is that there exists a universal ether matrix composed of identical, elemental, units, which interact with each other via contact vibrations, and that the familiar quantum forces we see, like electricity and light, are actually being underpinned by these more-primary ether forces. All our energy transmissions, such as electricity and light, are instigated by the underlying ether forces, via different kinds (differentially-resonant) of vibratory patterns.

In the case of light, quantum units like photons are viewed not as solid particles the way physics would have it, but rather as "particle-capacity" units made up of the aforementioned elemental ether units. The photons we observe are generated along a transmission such as light, by being built up from elemental ether units. (In my Model, going back to a "first causal" universal oscillation, which transitioned to a universal vibrational ether, these elemental ether units are the building blocks of everything - including photons.) When energy is present as a source of light, the ether units that are present in the area begin to align, entrain, and form other ether linkages, producing larger energy units, up to the size-scale of photons.

Photons, of course, are what our atomically-structured eyes require to produce our vision, but the primary underlying forces of the light transmission are etheric. The ether units generate photons all along the transmission pathway of light. (Some of the photons may also be dissipated as part of this process.)