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Staring at the bedroom window at night in an illuminated room I can ''see'' a distance between my eyes and window that is illuminated and not dark but rather ''gin-clear''.

Outside of my window I can ''see'' darkness, the darkness does not reflect light or emit light but I ''see'' the image of darkness in my brain that is a distance away from me, so how does darkness enter my eyes so I can ''see'' the darkness?


The Darkton Particle?

[guest39538]

No one can see darkness, what a stupid thread and a stupid question from an empty mind? I am amazed this this nonsense is allowed by the moderators.

You clearly do not understand the question, I am quite sure the mods and other members will understand quite ''clearly'', you are completely wrong of course, of course you ''see'' darkness or else you would not see the darkness behind the window or  shadows at a distance.

You will not influence the moderators with your posts, they can already see that you are here to try and attack people on a personal level.

Empty mind indeed, everyone else calls that an open mind .

[guest39538]

No one can see darkness, what a stupid thread and a stupid question from an empty mind? I am amazed this this nonsense is allowed by the moderators.

You clearly do not understand the question, I am quite sure the mods and other members will understand quite ''clearly'', you are completely wrong of course, of course you ''see'' darkness or else you would not see the darkness behind the window or  shadows at a distance.

You will not influence the moderators with your posts, they can already see that you are here to try and attack people on a personal level.

Empty mind indeed, everyone else calls that an open mind .

Darkness is the absence of light it is the absence of reality, it is is a negation a non-thing. When you were looking at the black imagine you posed, "Tell me exactly what you were seeing pleeaase??"

Yes you do have an open mind, maybe the most open- minded person ever on the forum, but my advice to you," is to try avoid to opening it to the extent that it falls completely out of your head"

My logic does not ever fall out of my head , I start with an open mind , a blank canvas, then build up a ''picture'' of information looking at both perspectives of objective and subjective thus leading me to logical conclusions . I then have a mind ''erasure'' that allows me to start over with a blank canvas when I obtain more information to edit my built picture of information.


Darkness is the absence of light but only in one of many ambiguity meanings.  In the dark is detected CMBR which is detected as ''light''.  Also there is infra-red and all sorts of ''light'' that we can not ''see'' because they are of the invisible spectrum.


Darkness is a very general term and not specific.

When I look at the window at night I am exactly perceiving the same thing you perceive and you perceive outside it is dark and the inside is light. A very distinguishable mental picture difference in our sight cortex.


We are not seeing photons travelling from the darkness to our eyes, but the space between the window and eyes is perceived to be light. If the space between your eyes and window was dark then you would not see the window thus showing dark is not just the absence of light but an entity that lies under the light.


We can clearly see it is dark in its exact location outside of the window. The space outside the window being relatively ''opaque'' compared to the ''gin-clear'' space inside the room.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira]

The image he posted seems to be just like an ordinary example, the right answers can easily be used on astronomical observation, not that we are not already observing, but would be very helpful understand why our eyes, telescopes and cameras can indeed capture black...
Expand your answer to beyond the sample picture the man post...
  In the other hand I don't approve the approach you used to answer, but I can't Denny that you can be correct..

But one interesting question, I do believe it will not end up with absence of light, but absence of photons, light is resultant of the interaction of photons traveling trough space fabric, so in terms of astronomical observation, the dark we see doesn't truly need to be black, maybe this dark of yours is simple invisible, the problem is our eyes, is not that they are catching the dark out there, it's more likely that in the absence of light they can't catch the invisible...

[guest39538]

The image he posted seems to be just like an ordinary example, the right answers can easily be used on astronomical observation, not that we are not already observing, but would be very helpful understand why our eyes, telescopes and cameras can indeed capture black...
Expand your answer to beyond the sample picture the man post...
  In the other hand I don't approve the approach you used to answer, but I can't Denny that you can be correct..

But one interesting question, I do believe it will not end up with absence of light, but absence of photons, light is resultant of the interaction of photons traveling trough space fabric, so in terms of astronomical observation, the dark we see doesn't truly need to be black, maybe this dark of yours is simple invisible, the problem is our eyes, is not that they are catching the dark out there, it's more likely that in the absence of light they can't catch the invisible...

I have already extended this topic in the past , I have reduced it down to an easy level to understand rather than explicitly talking about my ''box'' singularity.

There is not an absence of photons between my eyes and window, the darkness is distinguishable in its exact location, like looking at an object.

It shows an absence of Photons in that distinguishable area which is provable to be a distance away giving doubt to the integrity of how sight works.

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[guest39538]

No one can see darkness, what a stupid thread and a stupid question from an empty mind? I am amazed this this nonsense is allowed by the moderators.

You clearly do not understand the question, I am quite sure the mods and other members will understand quite ''clearly'', you are completely wrong of course, of course you ''see'' darkness or else you would not see the darkness behind the window or  shadows at a distance.

You will not influence the moderators with your posts, they can already see that you are here to try and attack people on a personal level.

Empty mind indeed, everyone else calls that an open mind .

Darkness is the absence of light it is the absence of reality, it is is a negation a non-thing. When you were looking at the black imagine you posed, "Tell me exactly what you were seeing pleeaase??"

Yes you do have an open mind, maybe the most open- minded person ever on the forum, but my advice to you," is to try avoid to opening it to the extent that it falls completely out of your head"

My logic does not ever fall out of my head , I start with an open mind , a blank canvas, then build up a ''picture'' of information looking at both perspectives of objective and subjective thus leading me to logical conclusions . I then have a mind ''erasure'' that allows me to start over with a blank canvas when I obtain more information to edit my built picture of information.


Darkness is the absence of light but only in one of many ambiguity meanings.  In the dark is detected CMBR which is detected as ''light''.  Also there is infra-red and all sorts of ''light'' that we can not ''see'' because they are of the invisible spectrum.


Darkness is a very general term and not specific.

When I look at the window at night I am exactly perceiving the same thing you perceive and you perceive outside it is dark and the inside is light. A very distinguishable mental picture difference in our sight cortex.


We are not seeing photons travelling from the darkness to our eyes, but the space between the window and eyes is perceived to be light. If the space between your eyes and window was dark then you would not see the window thus showing dark is not just the absence of light but an entity that lies under the light.


We can clearly see it is dark in its exact location outside of the window. The space outside the window being relatively ''opaque'' compared to the ''gin-clear'' space inside the room.

Indeed you have said it yourself, your mind is a 'Blank Canvas" as you have proved over and over again and it is true, from nothing only nothing can be expected.

"It is easier to try to reason with a lamp post than you?"

Your logic is not of this world maybe, those who exist in some alternate dimension of reality could unravel with great effort what you are trying to convey, but with my limited mind you are way out there far beyond he comprehension of any rational human being.

Oh! Gosh I see black light!

Keep up the bad work!

 
If this rudimentary observation confuses you why not just ask what you do not understand ?

MY logic is no more than basic thinking, it is of my consciousness, 

[guest39538]

I take it , people are failing to understand this ?

[alancalverd]

Close your eyes. Lots of dark. So it doesn't come from outside.

Indeed your mind in particular seems able to generate darkness and confusion in almost every direction.

[guest39538]

Close your eyes. Lots of dark. So it doesn't come from outside.

Indeed your mind in particular seems able to generate darkness and confusion in almost every direction.

Closing your eyes is the similarity to breaking a circuit. The dark you ''see'' when you close your eyes is the loss of information that sight gives us.  The dark I ''see'' behind the window is not a loss of information, my eyes are wide open and I can ''see'' all the information of my room and also the information that it is dark in the exact location I am ''seeing'' it to be dark. There is clearly a defining distance that separates my eyes and the point where I ''see'' the dark, this distance is ''gin-clear'' and ''light'' compared to the dark space I observe at a spooky distance.
The darkness is quite ''clearly'' provable to be a distance away and outside unless you can explain how darkness enters my eyes so I can see it?

[Alex Dullius Siqueira]

is not what your eyes are catching is about what they can't, is not that we're seeng dark out there, the case4 is, your eyes have no awnser for catching the invisible, our eyes can't catch the invisible spectrum so they rest the imagine where the spectrum is invisible, and keep working the area that still be iradiated with light...
 
One's eye is not seeing dark, one is not being able to see the invisible, so the eye rest... This is different to watch black color, and its similar of close your eyes, is not a enviroment color, is a inactivate state of the eye..
 When one's looking to the night sky, its not black hes seeing, is invisible that he's not able to see...

[guest39538]

is not what your eyes are catching is about what they can't, is not that we're seeng dark out there, the case4 is, your eyes have no awnser for catching the invisible, our eyes can't catch the invisible spectrum so they rest the imagine where the spectrum is invisible, and keep working the area that still be iradiated with light...
 
One's eye is not seeing dark, one is not being able to see the invisible, so the eye rest... This is different to watch black color, and its similar of close your eyes, is not a enviroment color, is a inactivate state of the eye..
 When one's looking to the night sky, its not black hes seeing, is invisible that he's not able to see...

The ''light'' that is ''illuminating'' the space is ''invisible'', what I mean by this is that the light between your eyes and window has no spectral content and we perceive this space to be ''gin-clear'' in visual appearance.   The darkness I ''see''  in it's exact location is not ''invisible''but rather ''opaque'' in visual appearance.
When one looks to the night sky they are not ''seeing'' invisible , they are seeing ''gin-clear'', the darkness of the window is different to that of looking into the night sky where ambient light is present.

I can take a tape measure from my eye to my window to measure a distance , I can clearly measure an amount of ''lit'' space and distinguish where dark space starts and the ''lit'' space ends.

I conclude I am ''seeing'' the darkness in it's exact location and external of my brain proven by the exact location .



 

[Alex Dullius Siqueira]

Its just like watch water, deep water, the strange effect is because our eyes fail to see the spectrum, and even if you remove the spectrum your eye capabilitie continue the same, but they still can notice the depth...

[chiralSPO]

Our eyes see the dark the same way that our ears hear silence.

[Colin2B]

Our eyes see the dark the same way that our ears hear silence.

I like that, very true.

But we can also hear the darkness. In fact I had a CD of their's on tonight []

[guest39538]

Our eyes see the dark the same way that our ears hear silence.

Yes in the darkness there is certainly a lack of visible light/photons, however all the science available and none of it explains why we see the dark in an independent location away from ourselves such as the observation of the window.

How can the visual darkness and eye be divided by light in the illuminated distance  if dark   does not exist as an entity?

It can't , I see the darkness in its exact location, you seem to be ignoring the objective thinking about the  geometrical positioning of the darkness relative to me.

[guest39538]

I have drew the information and thought.


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[Ethos_]

The Darkton Particle?

Your peculiar logic never ceases to amaze.............................LOL

[guest39538]

The Darkton Particle?

Your peculiar logic never ceases to amaze.............................LOL

Lol the Darkton was rather sarcastic, if science can have a Photon reflecting off a distance object and entering your eyes to allow you to see that object, then surely I can have a particle that is emitted by the dark passing through the light into your eyes to reveal darkness.

However I would rather stick by my Quanta whole and the ''gin-clear'' thing and connectivity which I think is more viable, however I also have a picture in my head of the inside and outside is dark really, and all that we see is things that ''glow in the dark'' giving a sense of light .

[Alex Dullius Siqueira]

There is the invisible spectrum when observing sky at night, and there is shadows, different things, there is invisible and there is shadow, a shadow is not limited to outside a glass, it also happens at the atomic level, meaning that show effect happens even inside dense atomic structure, not only outside of it, at least when we talking at something like glass, the atomic structure of the glass will cause shadows even if its a transparent substance, very different from a invisible one... The precense of any sort of atomic structure will disrupt the field where you're observing, event the oxigen around you will...
  Watch the invisible with your eyes will seems to be dark, watch the same invisible from inside a room, trought a window, will only disrupt the spectrum, causing shadows, and shadow is indeed black as any black picture, or tree leaves during day, seems that your experiment is refering and measuring the length of the shadows of the room over the invisible...
 Not sure anymore if your experiment is refering to shadows or to invisible, our eyes would interpreted both as almost the same dark thing, but one is colour other is invisible, and of course there is also the shadow around your own eyes, to be able to see the spectrum your eyes should be able to adapt, probably your eyes would have to be black, the sciera, to compensate for the shadows generated from the atomic structure of your own eye...
 Want to test the windows shadow effect, close your eyes, look straig to a withe light bulb, wait a few secunds, pass your fingers opened in front of your own closed eyes, and you will be able to see the shadow of your own hand passing in front of your closed eyes...
 Put the light bulb otside the window, close your eyes, close and open the window without open your eyes, if the light is strong outside you will be able to noticed the shadow, if the light is weak, as during night, you wont be able to noticed but it will be there anyway...

 And I agree with you about silence, a very good one, but it's a hole different question...