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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #60 on: 17/09/2016 02:09:21 »
sparse ≠ nonexistent
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #61 on: 17/09/2016 02:11:48 »
Quote from: RD on 16/09/2016 10:19:06

So that means genetic illness & disease caused by bacteria , helminths  , protozoans, (along with viruses) are fictional , according to you.

I think we should have you French-kiss a person with Ebola to prove your point.


When are you guys gonna stop protecting the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides and then blaming it all on invisible and non-existent viruses?

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/another-missing-ebola-factor-pesticides/
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #62 on: 17/09/2016 08:17:37 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 17/09/2016 02:11:48
... the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides and then blaming it all on invisible and non-existent viruses?

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/another-missing-ebola-factor-pesticides/

Jon is loony-tunes ... http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/1050-jon-rappoport.html

Jon don't like GMOs.  Guess what's used to make GMOs ? ,
Clue: 5 letters, begins with a "v", and you don't believe they exist.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #63 on: 17/09/2016 12:11:21 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 17/09/2016 02:11:48


When are you guys gonna stop protecting the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides and then blaming it all on invisible and non-existent viruses?


When are you going to start thinking about stuff before you post?
The pharmaceutical industry isn't related  to pesticide production.

Viruses are visible- I cited a picture earlier.

The diseases existed before pharmacy- and now the pharmaceuticals treat the diseases.
That's why we live longer.
That's how we wiped out smallpox.
That's why people still get sick, even if they take vitamins.

None of your claims makes any sense.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #64 on: 17/09/2016 23:28:06 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 17/09/2016 02:11:48
When are you guys gonna stop protecting the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides

Got peer-reviewed evidence?

I need something to wash the BS down with.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #65 on: 18/09/2016 00:44:16 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 16/09/2016 01:54:56
but they must include some kind of other toxic chemical to 'kill' the cancer.

There are other alternatives which are not systemically cytotoxic: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intravenous+curcumin+cancer


Quote from: Atkhenaken on 16/09/2016 01:54:56
The whole approach is wrong though. The concept that 'the body' itself as 'the enemy' is a faulty concept.

That's not the "approach" at all. The proliferation of malignant cells is "the enemy".
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #66 on: 18/09/2016 03:28:09 »
Quote from: RD on 17/09/2016 08:17:37

Jon is loony-tunes ... http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/1050-jon-rappoport.html

Jon don't like GMOs.  Guess what's used to make GMOs ? ,
Clue: 5 letters, begins with a "v", and you don't believe they exist.

Of course! Any dictatorship will label its dissenters as 'loony'. That's all part of the deception and brainwashing techniques that they use to control and manipulate.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #67 on: 18/09/2016 03:38:44 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/09/2016 12:11:21

When are you going to start thinking about stuff before you post?
The pharmaceutical industry isn't related  to pesticide production.

10,000 reasons why you are wrong lol!

http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/manuf.htm

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Viruses are visible- I cited a picture earlier.

A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.

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The diseases existed before pharmacy- and now the pharmaceuticals treat the diseases.
That's why we live longer.
That's how we wiped out smallpox.
That's why people still get sick, even if they take vitamins.

None of your claims makes any sense.

All false information.
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #68 on: 18/09/2016 03:50:57 »
Quote from: exothermic on 17/09/2016 23:57:16

That's not the "approach" at all. The malignant cells are "the enemy".

Modern medicine operates on the basic principle that the human body is faulty and that only doctors know how to fix it. Unfortunately, it is the modern diet which causes 98 % of all disease. Thus, all their years of training on medical procedures has been wasted because they don't understand the basics of what causes the problems in the first place. The current system was developed hundreds of years ago when nothing was known about nutrition and vitamins and little has changed in this original concept. But, like any bureaucracy, it takes a revolution to change old redundant ideas. But, unfortunately, there is no money in the new system which would send most doctors to the poor house. Thus, the old system is here to stay! Too bad if millions have to die a premature death. Doctors need to support their huge egos and incomes.

http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #69 on: 18/09/2016 07:11:44 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:50:57
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

Quote from: Wade Frazier
"Welcome to this website.  If you are interested in free energy, cancer cures ..."
http://ahealedplanet.net

Conspiracy-theories, like suppressed "free energy" &  suppressed cancer cures don't withstand any analysis , e.g. ...

Would America fight trillion-dollar wars in the middle-east to ensure supplies of energy in the form of mineral-oil, if "free energy" technology existed ?.

How does American-pharma-mafia suppress these cancer-cures in, say, China & North Korea ?.

Why should China & North Korea suppress these cancer-cures, to the detriment of their own people,  for the financial-benefit of capitalist pig-dogs in the USA ?


Only the paranoid would repeat this "suppression" nonsense.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #70 on: 18/09/2016 09:45:40 »
Quote from: RD on 18/09/2016 07:11:44
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:50:57
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

Quote from: Wade Frazier
"Welcome to this website.  If you are interested in free energy, cancer cures ..."
http://ahealedplanet.net

Conspiracy-theories, like suppressed "free energy" &  suppressed cancer cures don't withstand any analysis , e.g. ...

Would America fight trillion-dollar wars in the middle-east to ensure supplies of energy in the form of mineral-oil, if "free energy" technology existed ?.

How does American-pharma-mafia suppress these cancer-cures in, say, China & North Korea ?.

Why should China & North Korea suppress these cancer-cures, to the detriment of their own people,  for the financial-benefit of capitalist pig-dogs in the USA ?


Only the paranoid would repeat this "suppression" nonsense.

Just address the topic. 'The Medical Racket' reference. You are getting off track and becoming nonsensical.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #71 on: 18/09/2016 10:30:46 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:38:44
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/09/2016 12:11:21

When are you going to start thinking about stuff before you post?
The pharmaceutical industry isn't related  to pesticide production.

10,000 reasons why you are wrong lol!

http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/manuf.htm

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Viruses are visible- I cited a picture earlier.

A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.

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The diseases existed before pharmacy- and now the pharmaceuticals treat the diseases.
That's why we live longer.
That's how we wiped out smallpox.
That's why people still get sick, even if they take vitamins.

None of your claims makes any sense.

All false information.
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/

Since you don't know the difference between aspirin- as sold by pharmacy and weedkiller- as sold by agriculture, it is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you think muddy water is white, you are not paying attention to the real world.

It is not false to claim that we wiped out smallpox.
You know that and you are lying about it.
The same goes for the vitamins and lifespan.

"Jon" has been discredited already.

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #72 on: 18/09/2016 10:32:42 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 09:45:40


Just address the topic. 'The Medical Racket' reference. You are getting off track and becoming nonsensical.

That's not the topic.
The topic is about viruses- which exist.
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« Reply #73 on: 18/09/2016 10:50:36 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/09/2016 10:30:46

If you think muddy water is white, you are not paying attention to the real world.

Water is white? You clearly have a kindergarten understanding of water. Water is clear - dummy!
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It is not false to claim that we wiped out smallpox.

 But, is it false to claim that small pox was a virus when they didn't have any electron microscopes 200 years ago. Thus, they didn't have a clue what was causing people to die. But, now we know that it was just volcanic ash that was destroying the agricultural products which resulted in mass starvation and vitamin deficiency.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3301214/Biblical-plagues-and-parting-of-Red-Sea-caused-by-volcano.html


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You know that and you are lying about it.
The same goes for the vitamins and lifespan.

You can test my theory yourself. Just stop eating dairy, sugar and grain and you will have no further illnesses, headaches, stomach aches, arthritis, blocked nose and other so called 'flu like symptoms'.
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« Reply #74 on: 18/09/2016 12:03:36 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:38:44
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/

QUOTES FROM YOUR LINK:  "there is no proof that HIV exists."

"there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients. [HIV is said to be a retrovirus]"



lol.... Try using references that aren't chock full o' manure.


Science. 1986 Jul 18;233(4761):343-6.
Isolation of a new human retrovirus from West African patients with AIDS.
Clavel F, Guétard D, Brun-Vézinet F, Chamaret S, Rey MA, Santos-Ferreira MO, Laurent AG, Dauguet C, Katlama C, Rouzioux C, et al.

The etiological agent of AIDS, LAV/HTLV-III, is common in Central Africa but is not endemic in other areas of that continent. A novel human retrovirus, distinct from LAV/HTLV-III, has now been isolated from two AIDS patients from West Africa. Partial characterization of this virus revealed that it has biological and morphological properties very similar to LAV but that it differs in some of its antigenic components. Although the core antigens may share some common epitopes, the West African AIDS retrovirus and LAV differ substantially in their envelope glycoproteins. The envelope antigen of the West African virus can be recognized by serum from a macaque with simian AIDS infected by the simian retrovirus termed STLV-IIImac, suggesting that the West African AIDS virus may be more closely related to this simian virus than to LAV. Hybridization experiments with LAV subgenomic probes further established that this new retrovirus, here referred to as LAV-II, is distantly related to LAV and distinct from STLV-IIImac.
PMID: 2425430
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« Reply #75 on: 18/09/2016 12:28:18 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:38:44
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.




Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.

http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png


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« Reply #76 on: 18/09/2016 12:44:41 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 31/08/2016 02:48:51
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
 

2 words = neonatal meningitis



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« Reply #77 on: 18/09/2016 12:52:59 »
The evidence I presented dismantled your theory within 3 posts.
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« Reply #78 on: 18/09/2016 13:04:08 »
Quote from: exothermic on 18/09/2016 12:28:18
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 18/09/2016 03:38:44
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.




Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.

http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png


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Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
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« Reply #79 on: 18/09/2016 13:08:02 »
Quote from: exothermic on 18/09/2016 12:44:41
Quote from: Atkhenaken on 31/08/2016 02:48:51
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
 

2 words = neonatal meningitis



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Huh?
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