[pittsburghjoe (OP)]

It's currently impossible to measure a particle while in waveform, but why is it so difficult to convince physicists that it isn't a particle when in that state? I say a particle morphs from being an energy wave when measured. I consider EM waves to be a form of energy until measured ..how about you?

[jeffreyH]

It's currently impossible to measure a particle while in waveform, but why is it so difficult to convince physicists that it isn't a particle when in that state? I say a particle morphs from being an energy wave when measured. I consider EM waves to be a form of energy until measured ..how about you?

Physicists have been grappling with these issues for a long time. Reality on the very small scale is not recognizable to us when we apply our everyday notions. Even thinking in terms of morphing between states has issues. Just review the double slit experiment.

[pittsburghjoe (OP)]

My additional augment is for the double slit. They currently believe that a particle acting as both waves and mass go through both slits and interfere with itself. I say it is ridiculous to think mass is duplicating, therefore the particle is only waves when in superposition.

[yor_on]

As always, take me with a pinch of salt. But no wave particle duality is not what physicsts present those days, they use the idea of a field.

[pittsburghjoe (OP)]

A field is acceptable to me, but brutish physicists insist that it has mass.

see here: http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/102178-you-believe-that-mass-duplicates-itself-and-goes-through-both-slits/

[evan_au]

You believe that mass duplicates itself and goes through both slits?

This is the essence of the confusion..
I don't think that physicists (brutish, British, or otherwise) are suggesting that mass doubles itself to go through both slits, any more than they suggest that the energy of a wave must double to pass through 2 slits.

They do suggest that particles have wave-like properties (including self-interference). And that waves have particle-like properties (including momentum).

And Einstein showed that every form of energy (eg light) has an equivalent mass.

[pittsburghjoe (OP)]

The problem is that they don't believe in hidden variables either.

[yor_on]

Well, if you consider it a 'field' then I guess both 'states' (duality) just becomes expressions of that 'field' existing. And from that you then must consider all particles the same, although differently extended 'in time'. In the end though, it seems to me to become a question of what one think creates a universe. Myself I think it is constants, and they are not directly measurable, as for example in the manner of ones chair being directly 'measurable'. It's 'action and reaction', 'cause and effect'  versus 'symmetries, 'constants' to me, and there I'm not sure a 'field' will be the final answer either.