[timey (OP)]

Yes indeed, mass is the cause of gravity, but gravitational acceleration is yet to be given a physical cause.
My model states that mass is created by virtual particles, under the remit of this contra directional gravitational time dilation which renders quantum as a continuum, and all that 'complex' space being time dilation, a virtual particle will have 'the time' in which to become real.

[Mike Gale]

Gravitational acceleration is caused by variable light speed. Variable light speed is caused by dilation. Dilation is caused by mass. Back to square one.
You are invoking several physical concepts out of context. Virtual particles for example are a way of thinking about energy and momentum transport in QM. They have no basis in relativity and no objective reality (hence the name.)

[timey (OP)]

Ah - well...  variable light speed is caused by the contra directional gravitational time dilation inherent to the g-field, the g-field is caused by mass, and we are back to square 2 - square root 2 in fact, and Pythagorus!

The contra directional gravitational time dilation and the change to the equivalence principle cause QM to be a continuum that can be united with this altered rendition of relativity.

[Mike Gale]

Now that you bring it up, GR is really nothing more than an extension of Pythagorus for curved space.

[timey (OP)]

Have you seen this:

http://www.mrelativity.net/MBriefs/Relativistic%20Escape%20Velocity%20using%20Special%20Relativity.htm

...of interest to me only in that he is using golden ratio in relation to square root 2.

(Great conversation btw, I'm really enjoying it!)

[Mike Gale]

Yes. I quoted that article before. Jeffrey argues that it's not peer reviewed, but I can't find any fault with it.
BTW - QM is utterly incompatible with a continuum. That would lead us back to the ultraviolet catastrophe.

[GoC]

And SR is the hypotenuse of Pythagoras. GR is a dilation radius issue and physical.

[Mike Gale]

I'm going to be out of touch of a while. I'm off to Australia. I may pick this up when I get there if time permits.

[timey (OP)]

Not with the change I make to the equivalence principle.
Planck's h constant becomes a time dilation related phenomenon, where the energy being added to the atoms of the black body are causing the atoms to be running at a faster rate of time and emit higher frequency photons.

If you take this time dilation factor into account, the ultraviolet catastrophe doesn't occur.

Hope you have good time in Oz, are you going West or East?

[Mike Gale]

I'm back sooner than I thought. WiFi is.a wonderful thing.

And SR is the hypotenuse of Pythagoras. GR is a dilation radius issue and physical.

No. SR extends the concept of a right triangle by projecting it onto a curved surface. There's more to it of course, but that's more or less how it starts once you realize that spacetime is curved.

[Mike Gale]

Not with the change I make to the equivalence principle.
Planck's h constant becomes a time dilation related phenomenon, where the energy being added to the atoms of the black body are causing the atoms to be running at a faster rate of time and emit higher frequency photons.

If you take this time dilation factor into account, the ultraviolet catastrophe doesn't occur.

Hope you have good time in Oz, are you going West or East?

The only thing that saves us from the UV catastrophe is quantization. That's what Planck's h is all about. It defines the granularity of space (or time if you prefer.) It's an outlandish idea and Planck himself didn't actually believe it at first. He offered it up as an anecdote to highlight the discrepancy between the classical model of a black body radiator and the experimental result. One would think it should be subject to relativity since it involves energy, but it's actually an invariant. You don't need to mess with it to conserve energy in a relativistic context. Again though, it's really just another one of those unit conversion factors. It relates frequency to energy. You can set it equal to 1 if it gets in the way, but you have to compensate in all of your other conversion factors.

[Mike Gale]

West

[timey (OP)]

If you calculate the energy and frequency increases per shorter length seconds as energy is increased then the quantised nature of the experiment is a continuum.

West aye?  I hung out in Freemantle, Perth for a while back in 88.  If you're there on holiday, (rather than business) then, although my info is just a tad out of date, I found Margaret River to be lovely, great surf if you like that sort of thing, and the petrified forest is amazing.

[GoC]

I'm back sooner than I thought. WiFi is.a wonderful thing.

And SR is the hypotenuse of Pythagoras. GR is a dilation radius issue and physical.

No. SR extends the concept of a right triangle by projecting it onto a curved surface. There's more to it of course, but that's more or less how it starts once you realize that spacetime is curved.

You are looking at two different issues
Ok Mike here is the data:

The Lorentz contraction for half the speed of light is 0.866025. Where does that come from?  Lets look at half the speed of light as a right triangle. It creates a 30,60,90 triangle. When we look at Cos 30 we get 0.866025 relative to the speed of light as 1 for the motion of light. It takes about 13.4% longer to travel the distance as perpendicular. That is your Lorentz contraction. Your light clock is affected by that same issue to reduce the tick rate. When you relate it to reaction time of a frame the cycle time of the electron also is affected by that same 13.4% reduction. Light and mechanical clocks tick at the same rate in every frame. So the biological reaction rate is slowed and affects your biological aging clock

If you drew a line between two points of a circle you would be correct it does not include the additional circle radius. That is your confusion. All vector speeds give the same hypotenuse issue but you cannot draw a line between two points of a circle or sphere for an accurate distance of light. 

So what exactly is your answer as No mean mathematically?

In GR your curve is a two dimensional understanding of a three dimensional issue. Dilation is a sphere from a round object with a gradient of its dilation of energy. Dilation of energy being its greatest in the center of mass where energy is the least dense (dilated the most) out. As the difference between the most dilated position increases as a dilation gradient, attraction to the center of mass increases while your clock tick rate also increases measuring the energy gradient state increase away from the center of mass.

The physical energy dilation in GR matches the Pythagoras hypotenuse travel distance in SR for equivalency. Relativity is just a plain beautiful mathematical representation of the observed universe.

[timey (OP)]

I'm back sooner than I thought. WiFi is.a wonderful thing.

And SR is the hypotenuse of Pythagoras. GR is a dilation radius issue and physical.

No. SR extends the concept of a right triangle by projecting it onto a curved surface. There's more to it of course, but that's more or less how it starts once you realize that spacetime is curved.

In my model Mike, the right triangle is extended by the time dilation of the g-field itself via G or g, of which their values are 'already' being used in the current mathematics.
The concept of this dilation, or curvature of space being time dilation related means that everything 'appears' to curve through space because it is taking a longer time to travel a metre in the weaker g-field, and a shorter time to travel a metre in the stronger g-field.
Therefore any acceleration, or deceleration, that m, or M, or light, is subject to in the g-field can be calculated as time dilation related, and the triangle isn't extended spatially, it is extended temporally.

If one now adds GR time dilation, and SR time dilation on top of this g-field, as is 'already' occurring in the current maths, one will find that the SR 'action' of extending the right triangle for a curvature of space has 'already' been taken care of by the time dilated g-field.

No need to add curvature twice!

[GoC]

No need to add curvature twice!

Of course not. Physical dilation of GR and hypotenuse of speed for SR. With the photon time and distance are related. So temporal speed and distance are interchangeable.

Because of dilation and no ability to observe 90 degrees or even 180 degree reflection time is never fixed. There is no preferred frame.

[timey (OP)]

No preferred frame for what exactly?

Why is that relevant?

P.S.
Space is dilated.
GR contracts time, so how does GR cause space dilation?
Faster seconds cause acceleration in the decelerated g-field, not deceleration.

[timey (OP)]

The result of what you are defending so vigorously, on my New Theories thread GoC, is that SR is making space longer, and GR is making things go faster, over a longer space, ie: metres comprised of 'empty nothing' that stretch, and this stretching of nothing then serves to retain the desired notion of constant speed...

How can 'nothing' be stretched?

Magic perhaps?

Or do you wish to take the view of there being a 'fabric' of space that is stretched?
A fabric that is imperceivable, and to all intents and purposes, apart from the stretchiness, is entirely indistinguishable from being anything but empty tracts of distance between clumps of mass.

...and you declare GR and SR to be a brilliant and perfect mathematical description of our universe?

I don't think so...

[Mike Gale]

Ok Mike here is the data:

The Lorentz contraction for half the speed of light is 0.866025. Where does that come from?  Lets look at half the speed of light as a right triangle. It creates a 30,60,90 triangle. When we look at Cos 30 we get 0.866025 relative to the speed of light as 1 for the motion of light. It takes about 13.4% longer to travel the distance as perpendicular. That is your Lorentz contraction. Your light clock is affected by that same issue to reduce the tick rate. When you relate it to reaction time of a frame the cycle time of the electron also is affected by that same 13.4% reduction. Light and mechanical clocks tick at the same rate in every frame. So the biological reaction rate is slowed and affects your biological aging clock

If you drew a line between two points of a circle you would be correct it does not include the additional circle radius. That is your confusion. All vector speeds give the same hypotenuse issue but you cannot draw a line between two points of a circle or sphere for an accurate distance of light. 

So what exactly is your answer as No mean mathematically?

In GR your curve is a two dimensional understanding of a three dimensional issue. Dilation is a sphere from a round object with a gradient of its dilation of energy. Dilation of energy being its greatest in the center of mass where energy is the least dense (dilated the most) out. As the difference between the most dilated position increases as a dilation gradient, attraction to the center of mass increases while your clock tick rate also increases measuring the energy gradient state increase away from the center of mass.

The physical energy dilation in GR matches the Pythagoras hypotenuse travel distance in SR for equivalency. Relativity is just a plain beautiful mathematical representation of the observed universe.

It's getting hard to follow a conversation on this thread because we're pursuing a number of different topics in parallel. This one started with Reply#126 in which you seemed to imply that Pythagoras is only partially accounted for in SR and it is not until you consider GR that the concept is fully embraced. That is patently false. SR introduces a twist on Pythagoras in which c²=a²-b² rather than c²=a²+b². (It's a pinch as opposed to a rotation.) What GR brings to the table is the idea of geodesics in curved space.

[GoC]

The result of what you are defending so vigorously, on my New Theories thread GoC, is that SR is making space longer, and GR is making things go faster, over a longer space, ie: metres comprised of 'empty nothing' that stretch, and this stretching of nothing then serves to retain the desired notion of constant speed...

Your assumptions dictate your understanding.  Incorrect assumptions predict incorrect results.

How can 'nothing' be stretched?

Magic perhaps?

It would have to be magic to stretch zero. Go back to your assumptions for the proper answer.

Or do you wish to take the view of there being a 'fabric' of space that is stretched?

Its either that or magic. We all have that choice. I prefer fabric myself. How do you stretch zero?

A fabric that is imperceivable, and to all intents and purposes, apart from the stretchiness, is entirely indistinguishable from being anything but empty tracts of distance between clumps of mass.

Anything at the speed of light would need something faster than the speed of light to allow detection other than orthogonally. How do you stretch zero?

...and you declare GR and SR to be a brilliant and perfect mathematical description of our universe?

Yes because I took the time to understand relativity and not the shortcuts to misunderstanding.

I don't think so...

Many that go down the rabbit hole of relativity are confused by the logic controlling the rabbit hole. When you study the rabbit hole a pattern forms. Then you can leave the rabbit hole and view the universe in a different light. No pun intended.

No preferred frame for what exactly?

To measure with of course. When you understand that is no longer a valid question.

Why is that relevant?

Because there is no standard to use as a calibration.

P.S.
Space is dilated.

Ok what is being dilated? Nothing? I would disagree.

GR contracts time, so how does GR cause space dilation?

GR does not contract time. This is your assumption. GR expands energy and a clock measures the energy  density of space. Spacetime is an energy state.

Faster seconds cause acceleration in the decelerated g-field, not deceleration.

You are confused in the rabbit hole. Energy is expanded and light has further to go through space at c. Clocks slow as they descend a gravity hole. Pe decreases as it descends a gravity well. Energy expands as it descends a gravity well. GR expansion of energy matches SR hypotenuse travel distance to match equivalence of energy c for clock tick rates.

Learn the patterns before you make judgments about relativity.

Mike has a good grasp of relativity. He does not understand it the way I do but still understands it his way. We both understand it needs a matrix I take the matrix further to create conditions that cause relativity. I may be correct or incorrect but relativity is correct by all observations.