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The only oscillator whose frequency indicates a second is, by definition, a cesium clock.
So time is affected by relative speed and gravitation, to what appears to be an entirely predictable extent. What's the problem you are trying to solve by pretending otherwise?
[Now I ask you to return to the blackbody where, never mind the physics of how temperature results in radiation, the spectrum of frequency shift is described by the Planck Einstein relation, and ask you to put aside your prejudices and consider that an increase in frequency is indicative of a shorter second...
There is no "spectrum of frequency shift".
: timeynever mind the physics of how temperature results in radiation, the spectrum of frequency shift is described by the Planck Einstein relation, and ask you to put aside your prejudices and consider that an increase in frequency is indicative of a shorter second."
:WikiWave–particle duality is the concept that every elementary particle or quanticentity may be partly described in terms not only of particles, but also of waves. It expresses the inability of the classicalconcepts "particle" or "wave" to fully describe the behavior of quantum-scaleobjects. As Albert Einstein wrote: "It seems as though we must use sometimes the one theory and sometimes the other, while at times we may use either. We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do."
You cannot pin time dilation to space because SR dictates that a moving observer passing through a point in space perceives time differently than one who is standing still at the same location. Furthermore, the discrepancy is not symmetric in the way you might expect. Each observer perceives the other's clock to run slower.
Therefore the calculation of a differing length of measuring stick that SR incorporates within it's time dilation calculation will exactly replicate the proportional differences between altitude of equatorial bulge in relation to centripetal speed of the longitudes on Earth.
I'm suggesting that motions in the g-field are accelerated or decelerated by a time dilation that is occurring in the g-field.That this 'additional' time dilation of the g-field will not affect any clock because a clock is mass where the clock will gain or lose potential energy in the g-field, or in relative motion to the g-field and this gaining or losing of potential energy is what is causing the observed GR (altitude) and SR (relative motion) time dilations.In accordance with the viewpoint that GR time dilation and SR time dilation may be considered as 2 parts of a singular time dilation phenomenon, this additional time dilation can be thought of as a 3rd part of this singular phenomenon in that it just states that pe=mgh and when m=0, no potential energy is added or subtracted, where the time dilation for m=0 can be calculated via the gravitational field strength equation (where we say strength is energy), where g(r)= GmE/r^2.
Quote from: timey on 29/03/2017 21:06:20Chris - I watched a Horizon program on Dark Energy last year where physicists were saying in light of Dark Energy remaining a complete mystery, that perhaps a new approach is required...Among those physicists was George Efstathiou from Cambridge University.Do you know him?
Chris - I watched a Horizon program on Dark Energy last year where physicists were saying in light of Dark Energy remaining a complete mystery, that perhaps a new approach is required...Among those physicists was George Efstathiou from Cambridge University.Do you know him?
: EinsteinHowever we select from nature a complex (of phenomena) using the criterion of simplicity, in no case will it's theoretical treatment turn out to be forever appropriate... But I do not doubt that the day will come when that description (the general theory of relativity), too, will have to yield to another one, for reasons which at present we do not yet surmise. I believe that this process of deepening the theory has no limits.
Does it not seem more probable that there exist additional forces of nature that are intrinsically very weak, or highly selective in the things they act upon, or which have a minute range? Such forces may well exist. They do not play any great role in the structure of the everyday world, or even the world of the present day high energy physicist, but their presence totally determines the form of the ultimate Theory of Everything that we seek.
there is now no mathematical requirement for the 'far away clock' in the impossible 0 gravity field running infinitely fast,
It was my plan to remove all of my 1600+posts from this forum but apparently that is not aloud.Please de-register my account as I requested on Saturday.
Quote from: timey on 15/04/2017 14:17:48 there is now no mathematical requirement for the 'far away clock' in the impossible 0 gravity field running infinitely fast, A multiple straw man!Nothing impossible about a zero gravity field. It is the point at which a clock observed by someone else appears to run at its maximum (not infinite) rate. Nor is there an infinity in a black hole. In order for the gravitational field in a black hole to be infinite, it must contain the entire mass of the universe in zero volume. If it were not so, we could increase its field by adding mass or squeezing it, so it wasn't infinite to begin with. As far as we know, several black holes exist, so none of them has any infinite properties.
: Nelson Mandela (almost)Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?Actually, who are you not to be?Your playing small doesn't serve the world.We were born to make manifest the glory that is within us.And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people the permission to do the same.
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