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If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?

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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #300 on: 22/05/2018 15:27:42 »
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Quote from: opportunity on 22/05/2018 15:24:30
Is that "basis" right though?




Is a "composition" through an e/m filter as entropy a "gold-standard", right?


Are we still ignoring gravity being "enthalpic"?

It is speculation by a layman science enthusiast; judge for yourself.
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #301 on: 22/05/2018 15:32:58 »
How does one judge a "layman scientist enthusiast"?


How do you judge the question asked you?


As a "layman scientist enthusist"?



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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #302 on: 22/05/2018 15:39:58 »

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Quote from: opportunity on 22/05/2018 15:32:58
How does one judge a "layman scientist enthusiast"?


How do you judge the question asked you?


As a "layman scientist enthusist"?




Do you have a good sense of the cosmology of the universe that you have developed, based on known science, as well as on your own speculations, that from your perspective address the "as yet" unknowns?



I judge questions on the basis of my own view of cosmology, as described in this thread, i.e., the ISU model.
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #303 on: 22/05/2018 15:50:16 »
I understand you're point.


Thankfully no one knows the truth.....yet. I think truth comes with great regret though.


Dealing with regret could be our greatest challenge in the advent of a clearer scientific understanding of reality, right?
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #304 on: 22/05/2018 15:52:56 »
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Quote from: opportunity on 22/05/2018 15:50:16
I understand you're point.




Thankfully no one knows the truth.....yet. I think truth comes with great regret though.




Dealing with regret could be our greatest challenge in the advent of a clearer scientific understanding of reality, right?

I don't doubt that.
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #305 on: 22/05/2018 15:56:12 »
I say this lightly:

Dealing with regret could be our greatest challenge in the advent of a clearer scientific understanding of reality


Heavily, it's a new responsibility with a new science and technology.

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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #306 on: 26/05/2018 14:53:12 »
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https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_27_01_18_2_29_16.jpeg


Picking up from: https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=70348.msg542682#msg542682


Continuing The mechanics of Quantum Gravity and relative motion caused by the wave mechanics involved at both the macro and micro levels of the ISU:

Arena Action is a process that plays out endlessly at the macro level of order across the landscape of the greater universe. The process starts with a bang, and ends with a crunch. So let the mechanics of quantum gravity start with the “bang” of a standard big bang event, somewhere in the multiple big bang arena landscape of the greater universe.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_06_08_17_6_06_27.jpeg



1) The bang will not occur until the accumulated matter and energy in the crunch reaches a limit called “critical capacity”. The gravitational compression of the galactic matter and energy in the overlap space between two converging parent big bang arenas causes the crunch to approach the critical limit as all forms of energy accrete into the space.

2) At critical capacity, the availability of space required for the process of quantum action becomes the problem. Sufficient space is needed to support the functioning of wave-particles and the multitude of wave convergences that make up the galactic material and energy that is being accumulated in the overlap space. When sufficient space is finally denied as a result of the gravitational compression, any further compression will cause the collapse of the crunch.

3) At that stage, the crunch is nature’s most massive version of a blackhole, from which nothing escapes beyond the compression boundary; that is until the collapse/bang. Within the blackhole of the big crunch, the wave-particles and hints of mass that exist there are in an extremely dense environment, which contains the equivalent of all of the gravitational wave-energy of an entire, mature, expanding big bang arena, but in the most compressed state of gravitational wave energy possible, called “dense-state wave energy”*.

*Note: Dense State Wave Energy is a state in which the presence of matter and energy occupies the smallest possible space. However, there is no state of infinite wave energy density in the ISU model, and any further gravitational compression applied to dense-state energy will soon lead to a collapse/bang of that particular big crunch.

4) The final stage is the negation of all particles, all gravitational waves, all light waves, all hints of mass at the convergences of all waves, and of all of the expansion momentum* of the captured galactic matter, into one massive ball that represents its hot dense-state wave energy equivalent; a single massive arena wave-particle sitting ripe in the landscape of the greater universe, as the last increment of gravitational compression is about to occur there.

*Note: Expansion Momentum, in the ISU, equates to Dark Energy, and is the result of particles forming in an expanding big bang arena in the early stages after the collapse/bang of the Dense-state wave energy ball at the core of a preceding big crunch.


5) And then “BANG”; the crunch collapses as all of the individual wave-particles give up their individual spaces and the compression is final … in an instant. It is about to become a new big bang arena; a hot ball of expanding dense-state wave energy.

6) The Bang occurred when the dense-state wave energy* at the core of the crunch reached nature’s maximum density limit, starting the collapse. The collapse is an inflowing wave of matter and energy composing the massive crunch, which at its completion, bounces off of nature’s ultimate “brick wall” of maximum wave energy density.

*Note: As the hot ball of Dense-State wave energy of the new arena expands and cools, the space reaches the particle formation threshold, and as particles form while the arena is in rapid expansion, the newly formed particles are imparted with Separation Momentum.


7) The bounce is the initial stimulus for the corresponding force of energy density equalization to take an upper hand in the arena process, as the force of gravity has accomplished its role of causing the critical compression and collapse of this particular big crunch.

8 ) The force of energy density equalization that comes into play as a result of the collapse/bang is characterized by a period of rapid expansion* of the massive arena particle’s hot dense-state wave energy ball. The mechanics involve the density equalization between the maximum energy density of the arena wave that emerges from the center of gravity of the overlap space, with the very low density space surrounding it, formerly occupied by mature, galaxy filled, expanding parent arenas.

*Note: I really wanted to use the phrase “superluminal expansion” here, but I cannot. The outflowing gravitational wave energy of the arena wave-particle is being emitted at the local speed of light, as always. However, given the low energy density profile of the surrounding space that has just been made “thin” by the formation of the big crunch, the speed of light in that space is at the maximum relative velocity allowed by nature!

9) Reference was just made to an “arena particle”; the final stage of the crunch, which formed from the inflowing galactic matter and energy contributed by the parent arenas. That reference acknowledges that there is a quantum process involved at the macro level of Arena Action, just as there is a quantum process involved at the micro level of Quantum Action.

10) When pointing out the quantization in the mechanics of the two processes, the quanta at the macro level are the big crunches that form across the landscape of the greater universe. The quanta at the micro level the hints of mass (referred to as high energy density spots) that form at the peaks of the tiniest meaningful gravitational wave convergences.

11) To complete the picture of the sameness of events on the two vastly different scales, just like with high density spots at the micro level, there is the resulting obligatory third wave event at the arena level as well. It is the expansion of the ball of hot dense-state wave energy (the arena wave) out into the space formerly occupied by the converging parent arenas.

12) Matter-to-energy on an arena scale has just occurred, and thus entropy has again been defeated in the landscape of the greater universe.

One of the interesting differences between the ISU, and the Standard Cosmology (lambda CMD model), is the ISU process of Arena Action.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model

An example of the inflation in the Lambda CMD Big Bang is depicted in that Wiki as follows:


https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_13_08_18_11_45_04.jpeg


This is how the development of one Big Bang arena with Inflation, from bang and through 13.7 billion years of accelerating expansion could be depicted in the ISU.


If you can picture two big bang arenas using the Lambda CMD model depiction, an ISU Big Bang Arena overlap might be depicted as follows:

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_14_08_18_12_02_32.jpeg



To be continued ...
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #307 on: 04/06/2018 12:17:12 »
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Continuing The mechanics of Quantum Gravity and relative motion caused by the wave mechanics involved at both the macro and micro levels of the ISU:


13) “Matter to energy” is referred to as “the defeat of entropy”, because in regard to the ISU “Sameness Principle”, the landscape of the greater universe is homogeneous and isotropic on a grand scale, in both space and time, and such, “sameness” requires a process that defeats the advance of entropy. The process of Arena Action reverses the progress of entropy, on a grand scale, big bang by big bang, and at the same time provides new arenas ready to expand and begin the progress of entropy again.


14) In science and over time, science professionals have promoted different cosmological models. There is a Wiki page that does a good job of touching on the various theories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model. The ISU model is not among them, although the process of Arena Action might almost fit there.


15) Evan_au posted in response to the above Wiki link to the cyclic models: “However, in the 1990s, it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating.” The cause, though still something of a mystery as far as consensus views are concerned, the as yet unexplained source of expansion has been called "dark energy”.* The discoverers were awarded a Nobel Prize in 2011.”


*Note: In the ISU model, Dark Energy, which is said to make up about 75% of the energy in the observable universe, is the expansion energy of big bang arena action which is initiated by each big bang event, i.e., the big bang arena wave of matter and energy that emerges from the collapse/bang of each of the big crunches.


16) Expansion energy is imparted to wave-particles that form in the new arena as it expands and cools, and manifests itself in the form of wave-particle momentum (separation momentum imparted to particles as they form during the rapid expansion). The momentum of the wave-particles is conserved as they clump into objects, stars, and galaxies; all galaxies in any given arena are generally moving away from each other as a result of dark energy.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe

17) Note that the arena level conditions are in accord to the Perfect Cosmological Principle (PCP). The Wiki on The Perfect Cosmological Principle:
http://dictionary.sensagent.com/perfect%20cosmological%20principle/en-en/#anchorWiki
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The Perfect Cosmological Principle states that the Universe is homogenous and isotropic in space and time. In this view the universe looks the same everywhere (on the large scale), the same as it always has and always will. It is the principle underpinning steady-state theory and emerging from Chaotic inflation theory.[1][2][3]


18) The ISU model is an infinite and eternal steady state model that features the dynamic multiple big bang arena landscape of the greater universe, where entropy is defeated by the joint processes of arena action at the macro level and quantum action at the micro level. Those processes are what the ISU model says has always existed. It features the "sameness doctrine”*. It is axiomatic in the ISU model that the infinite and eternal universe also features the Three Infinities, space, time, and energy. There are three spatial dimensions, one time dimension, and all space contains some level of wave energy density.


*Note: The “Sameness Doctrine” of the ISU means that across all space and time, the universe, on a grand scale, appears as it does now, always has, and always will. It features life throughout, and proposes that across the greater universe, there has always been and always will be an abundance of intelligent life forms that contemplate the explanation for the existence of the universe, infinity, life, and the premise that God, or the universe, has always existed, and maybe they are one and the same.




The cause of gravity in the ISU to be continued …
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
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The cause of quantum gravity continued …

19) The observable universe is a growing big bang arena, and though it occupies a finite volume of space, it is inside of an infinite volume of space.

20) In accord with the sameness doctrine, all big bang arenas across the landscape of the greater universe go through the same stages of development that our big bang arena is going through:
a) They all share the precondition of a big crunch, formed in the overlap space where two or more parent arenas converge as they expanded into each others space.
b) The completion of the crunch is followed by a collapse/bang when the content of galactic matter and wave energy that is gravitationally accreting into the crunch reaches the critical capacity.
c) The collapse/bang is followed by rapid expansion of the arena ball of the hot dense-state wave energy.
d) Dense-state wave energy decays into a series of exotic particles as it expands and cools.
e) Decay leads to the formation of stable wave-particles across the entire arena.
f) Those wave-particles form atoms which then clump under the influence of quantum gravity in the close quarters of the early arena.
g) Clumping eventually forms stars and galactic structure.
h) By then the galaxies are all generally moving away from each other.
i) The observed separation of galaxies and galactic structure is the result of the conservation of separation momentum that was imparted to the wave-particles as they formed during the early expansion.

21) The initial contents of the new arena, consisting of that hot dense-state ball of wave energy, immediately begins to cool as it rapidly expands into and through the thinning accretion disk of cold dark galactic debris from the galactic structure of the fading parent arenas.

22) The space formerly occupied by those mature, galaxy filled arenas has been significantly stripped of matter and gravitational wave energy since each parent has contributed a substantial amount (up to half) of its galactic structure and gravitational wave energy to the crunch, which has just collapse/banged into expansion back into the vacated space.

23) The remaining galactic structure of the parent arenas has escaped the crunch and has continued to expand into the far reaches of the surrounding space.

24) Wave-particles are about to form across the new arena.

Note: Before detailing the mechanics of quantum gravity, as governed by the micro level process of Quantum Action, it is appropriate to describe the changes that the gravitational wave energy density profile of space has experienced as a result of the sequence of events occurring from the formation of the big crunch, up to the point of wave-particle formation across the new expanding arena …


The cause of quantum gravity in the ISU to be continued …
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« Reply #309 on: 23/06/2018 00:30:06 »
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19) The observable universe is a growing big bang arena, and though it occupies a finite volume of space, it is inside of an infinite volume of space.

20) In accord with the sameness doctrine, all big bang arenas across the landscape of the greater universe go through the same stages of development that our big bang arena is going through:
a) They all share the precondition of a big crunch, formed in the overlap space where two or more parent arenas converge as they expanded into each others space.
So sort of an expansion into an expansion causes the matter in both expansions to compact?
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #310 on: 23/06/2018 00:47:38 »
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So sort of an expansion into an expansion causes the matter in both expansions to compact?
Very good.

Now don’t forget, we are talking about two or more big bang arenas converging as they expand into each others space, causing a swirling rendezvous of galactic material and gravitational wave energy. A growing accretion disk forms and a big crunch begins to take shape around the center of gravity of the overlap space.
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So sort of an expansion into an expansion causes the matter in both expansions to compact?
Very good.

Now don’t forget, we are talking about two or more big bang arenas converging as they expand into each others space, causing a swirling rendezvous of galactic material and gravitational wave energy. A growing accretion disk forms and a big crunch begins to take shape around the center of gravity of the overlap space.

So forming sort of spacial ''eddies'' as an emergence pattern?
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So forming sort of spacial ''eddies'' as an emergence pattern?
Not quite.

Space is infinite and has always existed, in the ISU model. Space is where things happen. What you refer to as eddies isn’t far off, but they are not swirling eddies of space. The eddies are swirls of galactic material, gravitationally captured in the overlap space where two or more expanding big bang arenas expanded into the same space. Space doesn’t swirl, or stretch, or curve; things swirl, or stretch, or curve in space.

And note, the expanding arenas are not creating space as they expand; they are expanding into pre-existing space. And further, the expansion is not an expansion of the space that they occupy; it is the separation of the galaxies that occupy space. The galaxies are generally moving apart because the particles that they are composed of had separation momentum imparted to them when they formed during the early rapid inflation epic of the new arena. The galaxies are moving apart because of the conservation of the momentum of the wave-particles that they are composed of.
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So forming sort of spacial ''eddies'' as an emergence pattern?
Not quite.

Space is infinite and has always existed, in the ISU model. Space is where things happen. What you refer to as eddies isn’t far off, but they are not swirling eddies of space. The eddies are swirls of galactic material, gravitationally captured in the overlap space where two or more expanding big bang arenas expanded into the same space. Space doesn’t swirl, or stretch, or curve; things swirl, or stretch, or curve in space.

And note, the expanding arenas are not creating space as they expand; they are expanding into pre-existing space. And further, the expansion is not an expansion of the space that they occupy; it is the separation of the galaxies that occupy space. The galaxies are generally moving apart because the particles that they are composed of had separation momentum imparted to them when they formed during the early rapid inflation epic of the new arena. The galaxies are moving apart because of the conservation of the momentum of the wave-particles that they are composed of.

I am liking your theory a lot.   Do you ever consider the expansion between galaxies is enthalpic/electrodynamic related?

>T = > r


or

>Q = > r
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I am liking your theory a lot.   Do you ever consider the expansion between galaxies is enthalpy/electrodynamic related?

>T = > r


or

>Q = > r

In some ways, but I think you are aiming for something deeper. The way I would interpret your question is that you are asking if the heat and the charge of a system are associated with the observed separation of galaxies and galactic structure on a large scale. Heat and charge are very basic concepts that are generally understood, and I invoke the generally accepted science surrounding them. However, it is more to the point in the ISU model that the observed separation of galaxies is related to the conservation of momentum.

Each new big bang arena is an example of the defeat of entropy, meaning that an aging mature big bang arena, like ours for example, has spent billions of years using up the energy that it was “born” with, i.e., converting the low entropy energy of the hot dense ball of plasma that emerged from preconditions (the big crunch), to form particles, which clump to atoms and then to stars, galaxies, and galactic structure. Your point focuses on the fact that the galaxies are observed to be separating and moving away from each other.

In my model, an important feature is that particles form as the hot dense ball of plasma expands, and so as particles form they are moving away from each other right at the start. I like to say that they have separation momentum imparted to them as they form.

The formation of particles is governed by a process called Quantum Action, and it is described in my model in terms of gravitational wave energy mechanics. When particles form they are called wave-particles because they are composed of the dense-state gravitational wave energy from the hot dense ball of plasma as the plasma expands and cools.

Quantum gravity is also governed by the process of Quantum Action, and so as particles form, though they have separation momentum, they are also subject to quantum gravity. Quantum gravity invokes the inverse square law. In the close quarters of the epic of wave-particle formation, quantum gravity is able to overcome expansion momentum at short distances and so the earliest wave-particles are attracted to each other, referred to as clumping. However, the clumps conserve the expansion momentum of the wave-particles that they are made of, and the clumps are also moving away from each other. Extrapolate the dance between separation momentum and gravity over time, and you get stars and then galaxies, and because separation momentum is always conserved, the galaxies are generally observed to be moving away from each other.
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #315 on: 24/06/2018 12:33:34 »
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Quote from: Thebox on 23/06/2018 13:05:41
I am liking your theory a lot.   Do you ever consider the expansion between galaxies is enthalpy/electrodynamic related?

In some ways, but I think you are aiming for something deeper. The way I would interpret your question is that you are asking if the heat and the charge of a system are associated with the observed separation of galaxies and galactic structure on a large scale. Heat and charge are very basic concepts that are generally understood, and I invoke the generally accepted science surrounding them. However, it is more to the point in the ISU model that the observed separation of galaxies is related to the conservation of momentum.

Each new big bang arena is an example of the defeat of entropy, meaning that an aging mature big bang arena, like ours for example, has spent billions of years using up the energy that it was “born” with, i.e., converting the low entropy energy of the hot dense ball of plasma that emerged from preconditions (the big crunch), to form particles, which clump to atoms and then to stars, galaxies, and galactic structure. Your point focuses on the fact that the galaxies are observed to be separating and moving away from each other.

In my model, an important feature is that particles form as the hot dense ball of plasma expands, and so as particles form they are moving away from each other right at the start. I like to say that they have separation momentum imparted to them as they form.

The formation of particles is governed by a process called Quantum Action, and it is described in my model in terms of gravitational wave energy mechanics. When particles form they are called wave-particles because they are composed of the dense-state gravitational wave energy from the hot dense ball of plasma as the plasma expands and cools.

Quantum gravity is also governed by the process of Quantum Action, and so as particles form, though they have separation momentum, they are also subject to quantum gravity. Quantum gravity invokes the inverse square law. In the close quarters of the epic of wave-particle formation, quantum gravity is able to overcome expansion momentum at short distances and so the earliest wave-particles are attracted to each other, referred to as clumping. However, the clumps conserve the expansion momentum of the wave-particles that they are made of, and the clumps are also moving away from each other. Extrapolate the dance between separation momentum and gravity over time, and you get stars and then galaxies, and because separation momentum is always conserved, the galaxies are generally observed to be moving away from each other.



Edit 6/24/18: I might add that if the separation momentum scenario isn’t interrupted, you would have our big bang arena expanding forever. Further, the rate of expansion will accelerate as the “arena bubble” expands, lowering the average internal wave energy density, and promoting more rapid separation momentum over time, right to oblivion.

It seems apparent that such a scenario does not defeat entropy, and in fact would accelerate entropy until all useful energy is converted to meaningless total wave energy density equalization. You might wonder why we are so lucky to exist in a time window that, when compared to eternity, is almost no time at all; why hasn't oblivion happened yet?

Happily :) it is because the possibility of the ultimate heat death of the universe, or the Big Rip, is avoided because there are a potentially infinite number of other expanding big bang arenas out there, just like ours. Arenas and arena action spans the entire multiple big bang arena landscape of the greater universe.

When an arena's expansion is interrupted by arena convergence, (or as it might be said in QFT, two bubbles expanding into each other within the false vacuum) the old cold galactic matter with it's growing energy sinks, the blackholes, and its diluted gravitational wave energy density in between, are recycled. The recycling includes the negation of the remaining particles from the aging and cold converging parent arenas, into a merger resulting in a big crunch that then produces an extremely low entropy hot dense-state wave energy ball of exotic matter, a unique plasma, marking the beginning of the expansion of a brand new arena on the scene. Thus goes the perpetual maintenance of the infinite and eternal big bang arena landscape of the Infinite Spongy Universe (ta da).
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Happily  it is because the possibility of the ultimate heat death of the universe, or the Big Rip, is avoided because there are a potentially infinite number of other expanding big bang arenas out there, just like ours.
In theory the energy of our system/arena should transfer to any external/overlapping lower energy state systems/arena's.  My concern would be more towards enphalpic decompression of bodies within the arena by greater wave energy inflow than wave energy outflow.  An increase in temperature (T)  causing enthalpic decompression of the body , causing an unstable state of the mass.   
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #317 on: 25/06/2018 12:36:41 »
In the ISU model, an arena that is mature, like ours, is full of galactic structure that is observed to be moving away from us in all directions. That being the case, it is demonstrating the conservation of the separation momentum that was imparted to all of the particles that formed in the arena during the early rapid expansion of our big bang’s hot dense energy ball.

The energy in our expanding arena, like in all arenas, according to the model, consists of three major categories: 1) matter which is composed of gravitational wave energy, 2) gravitational wave energy that is coming and going in all directions in the space of the arena as a result of ~14 billion years of inflowing and out flowing gravitational wave energy associated with the presence of matter, and 3) dark energy, which is the separation momentum imparted to wave-particles as they formed.

I repeat all of that in response to your first sentence where you said:
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In theory the energy of our system/arena should transfer to any external/overlapping lower energy state systems/arena’s.

That is why your statement is true. Then you go on to express some concern when you say:

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My concern would be more towards enphalpic decompression of bodies within the arena by greater wave energy inflow than wave energy outflow.  An increase in temperature (T)  causing enthalpic decompression of the body , causing an unstable state of the mass.   

I don’t want to have to look up “enphalpic decompression” though I get what you mean. My response is from the perspective of the model as follows:

By now you are familiar with the arena level mechanics of two mature big bang arenas that have developed close to each other, and over the past billions of years, their galactic structure has been separating within them as they grow to occupy more space. Low and behold, they have begun to have a measurable gravitational affect on each other that is evidenced in the temperature profile.

What would that look like from a perspective (like on Earth) deep within our arena; I would expect there to be some evidence of that in the WMAP and Planck cosmic surveys of temperature, and by gosh, there is.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_01_08_17_2_27_06.jpeg


  There is a noticeable cold spot when you look at the temperature profile  of our visible universe.


Here is what I said in reply #34:
Reply #34
Title: Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
Post by: Bogie_smiles on May 17, 2017, 03:45:40 pm
The cold spot is old news, but for years I have been suggesting it could be evidence of a multiple big bang universe:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/across-the-universe/2017/may/17/multiverse-have-astronomers-found-evidence-of-parallel-universes

I did a YouTube video about the Infinite Spongy Universe two years ago, in which I suggested the cold spot could be an indication of our big bang arena intersecting with another, just as would occur in the process that I describe as Arena Action:
https://youtu.be/NSO-RvKXUKI


Further, I addressed the cold spot in reply #82 as follows:
Reply #82
Title: Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
Post by: Bogie_smiles on July 27, 2017, 01:22:45 pm
All that we can view of our own local surroundings on the arena scale, with our best optical and radio  telescopes, is a portion of our own expanding Big bang arena. However, in those observations there are clues available to us about the past; about the history of our arena and its “parent arenas”. By that I mean the there is some history of the preconditions to our own Big Bang imprinted in the temperature map of the cosmic micro wave background radiation.


Take the ISU primary scenario:


Two or more expanding Big Bang arenas expanded until they intersected and overlapped, as depicted in the simple sphere/sphere image that I have been using. That version of the image states that it could be Big Bang arenas overlapping, or quantum waves within the wave-particle standing wave pattern. The duality of scale in the ISU is consistent with the characteristic called “sameness” between the mechanics at the two levels, the micro and the macro scale.


Now, referring to the macro scenario of Big Bang arena action, here is a heat map of the observable universe. The WMAP and Planck sky surveys reveal a great deal of information:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_27_07_17_6_10_40.png






As a result, in the ISU model, the greater universe is characterized by a Cosmic Microwave Background that exists at slightly varying temperatures (wave energy density profiles), across the infinite landscape. In and around each Big Bang event that occurs in the landscape, there is a local temperature profile related to the event where two or more “parent”arenas converge and produce a third wave. The third wave, according to the scenario, in turn results in a gravitationally induced Big Crunch. In the ISU scenario, the crunch reaches nature’s limit of wave energy density, and collapses/bangs, into a new expanding Big Bang arena. The surrounding CMBR is therefore composed of the CMBR that is present within the two parent arenas, which is a factor of the extent of expansion experience by the two parents, plus the radiation of our own Big Bang event imprinted on the background as it is incorporated into our arena as a result of our expansion.


Therefore, our big bang arena has its own CMB, composed of the pre-existing background in the surrounding space, which is individualized by the specific preconditions present; the individual backgrounds of our parent arenas. Those backgrounds would be expected to vary based on their relative ages when they converged, based on an original local temperature of the big bangs, which is considered essentially the same for one bang to another, and the cooling effect of expansion.


Our CMB is characterized by some interesting anomalies related to our specific history. There is the wide angle temperature difference, called hemispherical asymmetry or dipole anisotropy, and there is also an interesting cold spot.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_01_08_17_2_27_06.jpeg

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Moving on, is the following definition the effect you are referring to?

enthalpy | ˈenTHalpē, ənˈTHalpē |
[/color]noun Physics[/size]
a thermodynamic quantity equivalent to the total heat content of a system. It is equal to the internal energy of the system plus the product of pressure and volume. (Symbol: H)

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enthalpy | ˈenTHalpē, ənˈTHalpē |
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a thermodynamic quantity equivalent to the total heat content of a system. It is equal to the internal energy of the system plus the product of pressure and volume. (Symbol: H)
Just to answer this , why I consider the rest of your post, yes that is what I am referring to.
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Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« Reply #319 on: 28/06/2018 13:06:07 »
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https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_27_01_18_2_29_16.jpeg


The cause of quantum gravity in the ISU continued …

Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 22/06/2018 23:53:16


Note: Before detailing the mechanics of quantum gravity, as governed by the micro level process of Quantum Action, it is appropriate to describe the changes that the gravitational wave energy density profile of space has experienced as a result of the sequence of events occurring from the formation of the big crunch, up to the point of wave-particle formation across the new expanding arena.

Note that the Gravitational Wave Energy Density Profile of Space is the ISU alternative to the curvature of space time in GR, as discussed in Reply #77 above, and elsewhere:

In General Relativity spacetime promotes the following:
Matter tells space how to curve.
Curved space tells matter how to move.
Everything moves in the straightest possible line in space-time.


ISU gravity wave mechanics support the following:
Matter emits gravitational waves into the wave energy density profile of space.
The Gravitational Wave Energy Density Profile of Space tells matter how to move.
Everything moves in curved paths as the gravitational wave energy density profile of space constantly changes.


25) Throughout the sequence of events, from the formation of the big crunch, to the point of wave-particle formation across the new expanding arena, remarkable changes have occurred in the gravitational wave energy density profile of space:

a) Within each parent arena, the process of maturation that precedes the crunch has been characterized by a long history of stellar and/or galactic blackholes forming as they accrete matter from the surrounding stars. At this stage, in many cases, the equatorial gravitational wave energy density of stelar blackholes greatly exceeds their polar densities, and this differential allows the internal energy density to be relieved by jetting action at the poles. Call this the gravitational wave energy density epic of rampant blackhole formation, preceding the formation of a big crunch.

b) A mature big crunch might contain the equivalent amount of gravitational wave energy of seemingly bazillions of stars and galaxies, with their numerous blackholes of both the stellar variety and the galactic variety, contributed to the crunch by the parent arenas. The crunch accretes more and more matter and energy slowly over billions of years from the parent arenas. During this period there is persistent gravitational wave energy density equalization within the big crunch. Call this the energy density period of extreme gravitational wave-particle compression in the big crunch.

c) As the big crunch enters the collapse epic, it is a large scale homogeneous and isotropic environment that has reached critical capacity. It represents the state where wave-particles are compressed to the point of giving up their individual spaces across the entire crunch. The crunch collapses inward and the wave-particles are forced into space-sharing causing them to overlap and merge with the surrounding particles, forming what is referred to as the dense-state of gravitational wave energy. This is where gravitational wave energy fronts are so closely compressed that the time delay between wave convergences and third waves is at nature’s shortest relative time interval. It is nature’s finest example of homogeneity and isotropy at the highest wave energy density in the smallest space. A clock in this environment would be measuring the passing of time at nature’s slowest rate; slower relative to a clock in any other gravitational wave energy density profile elsewhere, outside the collapsing crunch. Call this the collapse/bang point of the gravitational wave energy density profile of space.

d) Perturbations: In the dense-state of wave energy, during the collapse/bang and at the outset of the rapid expansion/inflationary epic, there are tiny perturbations in the gravitational wave energy density profile of the involved space. These perturbations are a result of the diverse range of energy densities of the accreted galactic structure that entered the crunch from the parent arenas, and also reflect the varying density of the accreting disk that surrounds the big bang event, but that were not yet captured in the crunch at the instant of the collapse/bang. Those perturbations will affect that course of wave-particle clumping and play a role in the nature of the large scale galactic structure of the maturing arena. Call this the early perturbative stage of expansion of the dense-state gravitational wave energy of space.

e) We are at the rapid expansion/inflationary epic of the new big crunch. Alan H. Guth described this period in his Inflationary theory, as superluminal expansion. His Inflationary theory has been combined with GR to make up the consensus cosmology of Big Bang Theory. In the ISU model, this is not a period of superluminal acceleration, but it is where the outflowing gravitational wave energy of the arena wave-particle is being emitted at the local speed of light and gravity. Accompanying that gravitational wave energy outflow is the expanding hot dense plasma ball, initially expanding perhaps at near the speed of light. From the ISU perspective, Guth’s false vacuum and bubble nucleation, which are theory specific to QFT, refer to a period of the supercooled space associated with the random formation of bubbles of higher density. In the ISU, the rapid expansion of the collapse/bang, the high density arena particle is consistent with Guth, and with QFT in regard to the presence of rapid expansion of the arena wave, and particle formation during that stage. Call it the initial expansion and wave-particle formation stage in the local gravitational wave energy density profile of space.

f) The initial expansion and wave-particle formation stage shows the force of energy density equalization at work: At this stage, the energy density differential between the dense-state wave energy of the arena wave, and the low energy density of the surrounding space into which the arena wave is rapidly encroaching, marks the high point in the expression of the force of energy density equalization. The initial wave-particles that decay out of the hot dense plasma ball are imparted with separation momentum at this stage.

The force of quantum gravity in the ISU to be continued …
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