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In General Relativity spacetime promotes the following:
Matter tells space how to curve.
Curved space tells matter how to move.
Everything moves in the straightest possible line in space-time.

Hi dude,

How can space be affected by anything when space itself has no causality? 

Surely we mean spacial fields become affected?

This is where I am at with my thinking in order.

Primary spacial field ether constant that overlays space.  Q=0

Dense wave energy particles Q=0

Secondary spacial fields emanating from particles.  Q=0

∑Q = 0

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

In General Relativity spacetime promotes the following:
Matter tells space how to curve.
Curved space tells matter how to move.
Everything moves in the straightest possible line in space-time.

Hi dude,

How can space be affected by anything when space itself has no causality?

The great “what is space” debate continues. Are you talking about how General Relativity is sometimes characterized by the pop science saying that you quoted?

Indeed, the conclusion that space has no causality would be a violation of General Relativity. On the other hand, in the ISU, space is everywhere and where things happen, but space does not directly cause things to happen.

Surely we mean spacial fields become affected?

Are you referring to the concept that fields occupy space, and can traverse space as charged particles move, etc. Is that what you mean by spatial fields?

This is where I am at with my thinking in order.

Primary spacial field ether constant that overlays space.  Q=0

Are you saying that there is an ether that occupies space?

Dense wave energy particles Q=0

Are you saying that what I call wave-particles composed of gravitational wave energy also occupy space?

Secondary spacial fields emanating from particles.  Q=0

Are you saying that just like the ether occupies space, and wave-particles occupy space, that when wave-particles emit gravitational wave energy into the gravitation wave energy density profile of space, the gravitational waves are like a secondary spacial field that occupies space?

∑Q = 0

Are you saying that the sum of all of those cases where things occupy space is equal to zero space? I think that is a discussion that should be explored over in the “That CAN’T be true” sub-forum, lol.

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in the ISU, space is everywhere and where things happen, but space does not directly cause things to happen.

I will still wait for edit time, but I wanted to answer  this incase I forget what I was going to say.  I agree with the above and consider in your terms that space is an infinite volume parent arena that has no causality.  Within the parent arena manifests child arena's that have causality .   Any new child arena inheriting the same properties and physics as existing child arenas. 

Are you referring to the concept that fields occupy space, and can traverse space as charged particles move, etc. Is that what you mean by spatial fields?

To clarify , spatial fields occupy otherwise empty space, a void.  Secondary fields emanating from bodies traversing with the body through a possible underlying ''stationary'' spatial field . 
However this is complex because there is a possible of  secondary fields combining to form a primary field. 

Are you saying that there is an ether that occupies space?

Yes I think there is , I mean we have only observed so far into space, a deep space spherical firmament is a possibility still.

Are you saying that the sum of all of those cases where things occupy space is equal to zero space? I think that is a discussion that should be explored over in the “That CAN’T be true” sub-forum, lol.

Not equal to 0 space, equal to 0 measured energy/charge in an equilibrium state. A sort of null ''matrix''.   A sort of steady state where 0 + 1 - 1 = 0 is constant.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I will still wait for edit time, but I wanted to answer  this incase I forget what I was going to say.  I agree with the above and consider in your terms that space is an infinite volume parent arena that has no causality.  Within the parent arena manifests child arena's that have causality .   Any new child arena inheriting the same properties and physics as existing child arenas. 

That is pretty well said. I don’t refer to the infinite space as a parent arena, but it is occupied by the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe, and instead of saying the infinite space has no causality, it is simply said to have always existed.

To clarify , spatial fields occupy otherwise empty space, a void.  Secondary fields emanating from bodies traversing with the body through a possible underlying ''stationary'' spatial field . 
However this is complex because there is a possible of  secondary fields combining to form a primary field. 

Yes I think there is , I mean we have only observed so far into space, a deep space spherical firmament is a possibility still.


Not equal to 0 space, equal to 0 measured energy/charge in an equilibrium state. A sort of null ''matrix''.   A sort of steady state where 0 + 1 - 1 = 0 is constant.

We could have some discussion of the difference between the ether and the gravitational wave energy density profile of space, but in general, they both assist in the advancement of wave energy across space. The idea in the ISU is that there is gravitational wave energy interaction at the foundational level, where there is an oscillating third wave action. Each tiny wave intersection produces an oscillation in the form of a spherical third wave that advances the energy of more meaningful gravitational waves that are passing through the background.

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We could have some discussion of the difference between the ether and the gravitational wave energy density profile of space, but in general, they both assist in the advancement of wave energy across space.

Agreed, I imagine my light bulb ''drips'', but as soon as a ''drip'' is released, it ''explodes'' and dissipates through the ether and gravitational wave energy isotropic.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #325

We could have some discussion of the difference between the ether and the gravitational wave energy density profile of space, but in general, they both assist in the advancement of wave energy across space.

Agreed, I imagine my light bulb ''drips'', but as soon as a ''drip'' is released, it ''explodes'' and dissipates through the ether and gravitational wave energy isotropic.

If I understand what you are imagining, the light bulb emits light into space, and as the light bursts on to the scene, it spreads out spherically into adjacent space, which contains either ether or gravitational wave energy, and maybe they are one and the same?

The difference between how we imagine them is what I thought we might be able to have a discussion about.

Let’s give credit to Michelson and Morley:
“The Michelson–Morley experiment was performed between April and July, 1887 by Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley at what is now Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and published in November of the same year. It compared the speed of light in perpendicular directions, in an attempt to detect the relative motion of matter through the stationary luminiferous aether. The result was negative, in that Michelson and Morley found no significant difference between the speed of light in the direction of movement through the presumed aether, and the speed at right angles.”

I take that to be strong evidence that there is no stationary luminiferous aether out there in space, but that does not mean that there is empty space either; there is an ether effect that plays a role in the motion of wave energy through space in my model too, so read on.

There is clearly energy in space, and the ISU model supposes that the energy in space is carried by gravitational wave fronts that are traversing all space, to and from all directions, from a potentially infinite history of the emission of gravitational wave energy from wave particles and objects, as I have been predicting (in a layman sense) throughout. That wave energy accounts for the energy in space and makes up the composition of the gravitational wave energy density profile of space.

On that basis, every point in space has gravitational wave energy convergences of multiple wave fronts converging in varying magnitudes, governed by the directionally inflowing gravitational wave energy that is coming and going in every direction through the energy profile of space.

In the ISU model, gravitational wave front convergences each produce a “hint” of mass, and the number of different wave fronts converging at each point produce a net energy presence at each point in space. (The presence of these hints of mass was mentioned earlier as the explanation for dark matter). There too you have the ISU alternative to an ether. It assists the motion of light through space via the concept that two or more converging (inflowing) gravitational waves will produce an outflowing wave which is referred to as the “third wave” in the ISU.

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If I understand what you are imagining, the light bulb emits light into space, and as the light bursts on to the scene, it spreads out spherically into adjacent space, which contains either ether or gravitational wave energy, and maybe they are one and the same?

The difference between how we imagine them is what I thought we might be able to have a discussion about.

Let’s give credit to Michelson and Morley:
“The Michelson–Morley experiment was performed between April and July, 1887 by Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley at what is now Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and published in November of the same year. It compared the speed of light in perpendicular directions, in an attempt to detect the relative motion of matter through the stationary luminiferous aether. The result was negative, in that Michelson and Morley found no significant difference between the speed of light in the direction of movement through the presumed aether, and the speed at right angles.”

Hi Bogie, you understood my view correctly but I must say the reason I do not discuss the  Michelson and Morley experiment often is for the reason light used that way is not viable to detect the ether that I assume has 0 permeability. 
However I believe it is detectable and there is already an experiment to show the ether .  There is also proof of the ether without experiment. 
I will be going offline in the next week or so, I am not going bother to try and keep my internet going , but because I like you , here is the sort of ether proof you need to be looking for .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light

Consider the wave energy density of the above process and look for similar occurrences.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

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I will be going offline in the next week or so, I am not going bother to try and keep my internet going , but because I like you , here is the sort of ether proof you need to be looking for .


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light


Consider the wave energy density of the above process and look for similar occurrences.

Thank you for that. You will find a way to maintain your presence on the Internet, and hopefully you will find a way to keep in touch with the progress of the ISU model. You have been helpful in that progress, and I consider you an Internet friend.

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Thank you for that. You will find a way to maintain your presence on the Internet, and hopefully you will find a way to keep in touch with the progress of the ISU model. You have been helpful in that progress, and are the only friend I have here so far.

My internet life is looking doubtful, my kids come first and it looks like I have to sell my computer .
 Hopefully though mate I can find a way to stay online, I am resourceful  and have managed stay on so far.  Your model is so similar to my N-field model , you have also helped me think and be more clear in my thoughts.  Mutual respect my friend and I hope you do something with your model , I have to much going on in my life to write up all my work and thoughts lol. My brains thinking about lots of things at the same time, I will get to relax one day maybe and be stress free.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Do me a favor. Go to the member map and submit your general location, so I can put a place to your presence.

[guest39538]

Do me a favor. Go to the member map and submit your general location, so I can put a place to your presence.

I am not sure whether it has worked or not?

Can't get it to select my street, but the general area is there.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Do me a favor. Go to the member map and submit your general location, so I can put a place to your presence.

I am not sure whether it has worked or not?

Can't get it to select my street, but the general area is there.

You're there on the map, thanks.

[guest39538]

Do me a favor. Go to the member map and submit your general location, so I can put a place to your presence.

I am not sure whether it has worked or not?

Can't get it to select my street, but the general area is there.

You're there on the map, thanks.

Your welcome 

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #333

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_27_01_18_2_29_16.jpeg

... The initial wave-particles that decay out of the hot dense plasma ball are imparted with separation momentum at this stage.

26) The hot dense-state wave energy environment of each new arena is an expanding ball of gravitational wave fronts, so dense that there is not sufficient separation between them to allow the presence of individual wave-particles. This is the point in the gravitational wave energy density profile of space where the hot dense ball is like a particle itself; an arena level particle in the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe. The accumulated crunch is the dense core of the arena particle (the result of the inflowing wave energy from parent arenas), and the outflowing wave is the big bang, the expanding hot dense arena wave the initiates the new arena. The arena particle at the macro level, and the hint of mass at the quantum level represent nature’s two extremes on the scale of the presence of mass.

27) Also, the hot dense-state wave energy environment of each new arena is nature’s lowest entropy energy, which represents the restoration of usefulness of wave energy content of the old cold matter in the parent arenas. However, only a small fraction of the low entropy energy content of the mature arena will take the form of detectible matter (4%). The energy of that goes into the process of expansion of the new arena uses the lions share of low entropy energy in the form of dark energy (75%) to fuel the expansion. The other low entropy wave energy will take the form of dark matter (21%), in the form of the gravitational wave convergences in space that are the hints of mass (dark matter) that affect the shape and motion of galaxies in the maturing arena.

28) As maturation of the new arena puts the arena wave of energy to use over billions of years, it will result in a mature galaxy-filled parent arena where the galactic structure is all moving apart. The separation of the galactic structure in the mature arenas is the result of the conservation of momentum that was imparted to the wave particles that formed within the parent arenas in the early stages of expansion. The future of the new arena, and the fate of the hot dense-state energy in this new arena will be the same as it was in the parent arenas that preceded it, and in their “grandparents”, for an eternal heritage of the past.

29) Here is where we discuss the formation of wave-particles in the new arena. It is a process of decay of the dense-state wave energy that starts out at billions of degrees, and cools rapidly as the force of energy density equalization causes the initial expansion of the hot dense-state energy. The expansion initiates the decay process, and individual “standing wave” patterns of wave energy separate out into very exotic particles with huge amounts of mass, perhaps that equate to the massive Higgs mechanism and boson, whose mass will in turn will be imparted to more and more stable types of wave-particles.

30) There is clearly a huge amount of energy in space, and the ISU model supposes that the energy in space is carried by gravitational wave fronts that are traversing all space, to and from all directions, from a potentially infinite history of the emission of gravitational wave energy from wave particles and objects. That wave energy accounts for the energy in space and makes up the composition of the gravitational wave energy density profile of space, and is intimately involved in the processes that accompany the preconditions to each big bang, and conditions associated with the new arena.

31) On that basis, every point in space has gravitational wave energy convergences of multiple wave fronts converging in varying magnitudes, governed by the directionally inflowing gravitational wave energy that is coming and going in every direction through the energy profile of space. In the ISU model, gravitational wave front convergences each produce a “hint” of mass, and the number of different wave fronts converging at each point produce a net energy presence at each point in space. These hints of mass form a foundational oscillating wave energy background that assists the motion of light waves and gravitational wave energy through space, employing the concept that two or more converging (inflowing) gravitational waves will produce an outflowing wave which is referred to as the “third wave” in the ISU.

32) During the wave-particle formation period, as the hot dense ball of plasma expands and cools, the standing wave patterns become more stable as a result of the now sufficient space into which the new arena has encroached upon as the arena expands back into the space formerly claimed by the parent arenas.

33) The nature of the standing wave patterns, though still in a dynamic expanding environment, are now quantized, meaning that the mass of each wave-particle can be determined by the number of meaningful gravitational wave convergences within the space now claimed by each individual wave-particle (the particle space).

The force of quantum gravity in the ISU to be continued …

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31) On that basis, every point in space has gravitational wave energy convergences of multiple wave fronts converging in varying magnitudes, governed by the directionally inflowing gravitational wave energy that is coming and going in every direction through the energy profile of space. In the ISU model, gravitational wave front convergences each produce a “hint” of mass, and the number of different wave fronts converging at each point produce a net energy presence at each point in space. These hints of mass form a foundational oscillating wave energy background that assists the motion of light waves and gravitational wave energy through space, employing the concept that two or more converging (inflowing) gravitational waves will produce an outflowing wave which is referred to as the “third wave” in the ISU.

I will read the post again tomorrow when I have a fresh head, not had much sleep for a change last night.   I just wanted to point out this part and to say that is sounding quite good and worth further discussion on the matter.
I am surprised more people have not got involved in the discussion or commented.  Will catch up with you tomorrow , thanks for the good read.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I will read the post again tomorrow when I have a fresh head, not had much sleep for a change last night.   I just wanted to point out this part and to say that is sounding quite good and worth further discussion on the matter.
I am surprised more people have not got involved in the discussion or commented.  Will catch up with you tomorrow , thanks for the good read.

Beware of amateur layman cosmologists who claim to have a mechanical solution to quantum gravity for free.

[guest39538]

I will read the post again tomorrow when I have a fresh head, not had much sleep for a change last night.   I just wanted to point out this part and to say that is sounding quite good and worth further discussion on the matter.
I am surprised more people have not got involved in the discussion or commented.  Will catch up with you tomorrow , thanks for the good read.

Beware of amateur layman cosmologists who claim to have a mechanical solution to quantum gravity for free.

Also be aware of people who Pm you who are after getting a free ride without putting any effort or work into it themselves, free , does not mean the person giving it away , is going to explain it all.

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For you though internet friend :


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Spin is one of two types of angular momentum in quantum mechanics, the other being orbital angular momentum. The orbital angular momentum operator is the quantum-mechanical counterpart to the classical angular momentum of orbital revolution: it arises when a particle executes a rotating or twisting trajectory

Ignore the Earth and the atmosphere, to cyclic space-time is to create a spatial vortex .


 

P.s I was ''guided'' to this song, it must be important right ?

 

Had a good sleep, 8 am here and I am in ''party'' mode, music, it makes me feel good and gives me that ''vibe''.

S.E.S.I  , space - energy - spin and intelligent design is the answer , I should start a business and call it S.E.S.I , become an anti gravity consultant 

An anti - gravity is a none existence concept, it is not anti gravity that we seek, it is just propulsion in a primary n-field we seek.

A binary object in a binary field is ''imprisoned'' and cannot move, the field is equally attractive as repulsive.   

I mean look down , down has mass , it takes mass to curve mass down ← Important sentence .  Who's listening right ? Shhhhh right ?

You are not allowed to say it right ?
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You understand this right ?   Don't say it thought , just understand it .



It can be measured right ?

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You know hackers from within , they are everywhere. I just keep finding back doors open and everything is just lying around on the desk, messy work I tell yea, hard to parsec and in reality hard to observe but quite imaginable.

14 minutes 15 seconds in, you understand 14,  not 15 or 16 right ? The right place is important in this video right ? 

I mean rockets push off the floor and air , only people who do not understand would try to push off the floor or air right ?

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

You understand this right ?   Don't say it thought , just understand it .

It can be measured right ?

Glad to see you woke up inspired. A good sleep does that sometimes.

As for anti-gravity, you have to make up or sideways seem like down, but …
https://youtu.be/j12J3PCai5A

[guest39538]

You understand this right ?   Don't say it thought , just understand it .

It can be measured right ?

Glad to see you woke up inspired. A good sleep does that sometimes.

As for anti-gravity, you have to make up or sideways seem like down, but …
https://youtu.be/j12J3PCai5A

Of course, by using spin time energy and creating a spatial space-time vortex, the layers of space-time become compressed and gain density.