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It's past time to put this thread on ignore... Bye, have fun, I guess...

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

It's past time to put this thread on ignore... Bye, have fun, I guess...

Bye, thanks.



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Would you you quit bumping this stupid thread just to get views? 

What good is eternity and infinity without life? I mean, is it possible to conceive of a lifeless universe? And if you just consider what we know about life on our planet, my conclusion is that life is "generative and evolvative" (my coined words). You might agree that life on Earth is not a "one off" situation, but something that could occur on any planet when the conditions for life are present.

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It's past time to put this thread on ignore... Bye, have fun, I guess...

That is fine. I'm just speculating, and most people come here for the hard science.




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... You might agree that life on Earth is not a "one off" situation, but instead, it is something that could occur on planets where the conditions for life are present.

And how many such planets do you think there might be in an infinite universe? The only answer I come up with is that there are, and there always has been, a potentially infinite number of planets capable of generating and evolving intelligent life forms. The only thing that makes it difficult to confirm such a supposition is that the distances separating them could be almost unimaginable, and the length of time that our planet has been here hosting intelligent life has been unimaginally brief relative to eternity.




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... You might agree that life on Earth is not a "one off" situation, but instead, it is something that could occur on planets where the conditions for life are present.

... how many such planets do you think there might be in an infinite universe? ...  a potentially infinite number of planets capable of generating and evolving intelligent life forms. ... the distances separating them could be almost unimaginable, and the length of time that our planet has been here hosting intelligent life has been unimaginably brief relative to eternity.

I think the odds are that we are not alone in the universe, but the probability of contact is extremely remote.
But when the phone rings, we naturally pick it up and say hello.


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And that brings us to the point where we are pursuing discovery of extra terrestrial intelligent life. If that discovery were to occur, then the next effort might be attempts at meaningful contact. That is where distances and time become huge obstacles to any form of communication between us, let along any remote possibility that we or they will be able to understand the other. I'm not optimistic that we will be the life form to solve the problems of contact. It looks to me like there would have to be life forms out there that have lengthy heritages and a wide spread presence, well beyond a home system or even a home galaxy. And they would need to somehow come across us in their explorations of the universe.
 
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So let's forget about contact and communication for the time being.
Let's just focus on the evidence that big bangs occur here and there, now and then,
and consider the case for the generation and evolution of life on planets in other systems.

https://www.slashgear.com/nobel-prize-winner-says-the-universe-has-gone-through-multiple-big-bangs-10641825/

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If you spend time wondering and thinking about the universe, you probably have considered eternity as an alternative to the concept of a beginning to it all. Accepting eternity avoids the problem of "the cause of the beginning", and with that problem out of the way, you don't have to consider "something from nothing".

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

What I mean by "eternity" is that the universe has always existed; there was no beginning. I maintain that there is no force capable of creating something from nothing, but the motion of matter and energy that is all around us (and everywhere), is orchestrated by a natural force; gravity.

Gravity holds a secret; there is another phenomenon involved that causes gravity to self-destruct. The accumulation of matter into big crunches under gravitational pressure must eventually reach a critical limit. When that limit is reached, matter self destructs and causes big crunches to collapse/bang, ie. Big Bangs.

That is the premise behind the Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) model of cosmology.

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Big Bangs must be many orders of magnitude greater than gamma ray bursts (https://www.space.com/short-gamma-ray-burst-from-star-explosion)

Assuming our observable arena is the result of a Big Bang, and given that there are multiple gamma ray bursts recorded within our arena of space, gamma ray bursts are not equivalent to Big Bangs, but instead, Big Bang arenas host multiple bursts from various directions.



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It makes sense that gamma ray bursts are signals from collapsing stars, doesn't it?

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So one could conclude that the remnants of collapsing stars are not only neutron stars, but the supernovas that produce them also spew out a lot of cosmic dust. So we come from stardust only to be turned back into stardust  .

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I wonder if the basic idea of a universal process of matter-to energy-to matter that perpetually plays out as big crunches to big bangs and back to big crunches, would equate to the common natural formation of huge clouds of dust resulting from the big bangs then producing environments where the dust accumulates to form stars and planets, and eventually those environments become capable of hosting life?


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From the last post:
I wonder if the basic idea of a universal process of matter-to energy-to matter that perpetually plays out as big crunches to big bangs and back to big crunches, would equate to the common natural formation of huge clouds of dust resulting from each big bang that then continually produces environments where the dust accumulates to form stars and planets, and eventually those environments become capable of hosting life?


Here I am quoting myself, lol; but I want to keep adding speculative content that follows along with the idea that, yes, if there was one BB, given an infinite and eternal universe and one set of physics that applies everywhere, then there have been and will be more big bangs, here and there, across the infinite universe, all the time.




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So yes, I'm a proponent of one set of physics, but the possibilities are endless. Iterations of combinations, and with entropy and natural renewal repeating themselves forever. So in effect, ... these are like the good ole days all over again .

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The possibilities for the rebirthing of life, here and there, across the universe, followed up by the regeneration of intelligent beings when the conditions are right, makes our chance existence here within this solar system just one example of how "no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should" (quote is from the Desiderata, Unknown author).




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But let us consider how much of our existence is chance, and given the nature of the universe, how much of it is inevitable. By inevitable, I don't mean inevitable that our Earth would exist, or that it would host Human life, but I mean inevitable that Human-like life, with high intelligence and the survival instinct, would naturally arise from Nature, and not as a one-off occurrence, but as a wide scale norm across infinite space and time.



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I would assume the survival of intelligent life would be a struggle; a struggle to get to the point of having to struggle, and a struggle to stay there.

[Just thinking]

f there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?

I think this is very possible let's say the first BB was rather small it collapsed and due to its momentum it made the next BB larger and this may have kept taking place over and over getting larger each time as the BB expanded it may have collected matter from other neighbouring BB events. One BB feeding another finally the BB that can hold its self in a steady state ore even escape its own gravity and go on to feed other BB events.