[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Here's some more Wild Speculation...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce

Keep on Smiling Mr Smiles!

P.S. - 165962.

Ancient Egypt is the home of extremely skilled sculpting in granite, one of the hardest and unforgiving materials to work with. The methods and tools said to have been used to produce some of those ancient objects would even be a challenge to reproduce today. A great read: Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt , Chris Dunn.



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[Halc]

Ancient Egypt is the home of extremely skilled sculpting in granite, one of the hardest and unforgiving materials to work with. The methods and tools said to have been used to produce some of those ancient objects would even be a challenge to reproduce today.

You were talking about why there are no other intelligent beings visible to us, and I said that most of them tend not to remain technological long enough to be seen.
This Egypt thing is a great example of technology which was lost, and might still be out of range for today's technology. I don't see anybody doing such large scale works today. Just showing that you should take our continued technological prowess for granite.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

You were talking about why there are no other intelligent beings visible to us, and I said that most of them tend not to remain technological long enough to be seen.
This Egypt thing is a great example of technology which was lost, and might still be out of range for today's technology. I don't see anybody doing such large scale works today. Just showing that you should take our continued technological prowess for granite.

Testing my understanding, you are saying that we shouldn't take the technological advances for granted. I'm in almost continual amazement at the accomplishments of man throughout history, and especially including the ancient history of Egypt.





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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Our history emerges out of a past that is speculatively marked by an infinite number of civilizations, on Earth and/or anywhere else in the infinite universe, where intelligent beings could have existed. And it can be suspected that many have held beliefs in various Gods, religions, and myths. It may be the case that most of those beliefs have been lost in time and across the vast reaches of space.

What has survived for us here on Earth covers a vanishingly short history relative to the amount of time that has passed in our tiny corner of space, and the point can be made that that corner of space is no more than a tiny blip when measured against the infinite universe.

Beyond Earth's brief existence lies the infinity of past time, and the possibility of an infinite number of occurrences of intelligence across distant habitats. Though Earth has arrived at what I would call an almost unimaginable present time, it is almost nothing, almost nowhere, almost never, relative to the infinity of space and time.




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[Zer0]

Testing my understanding, you are saying that we shouldn't take the technological advances for granted. I'm in almost continual amazement at the accomplishments of man throughout history, and especially including the ancient history of Egypt.

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& Let's Not Forget the Historical Contributions of thee WoMan, who bore the Child of Man.

I don't find the Pyramids Unattainable.
Sure they are a Great feat of Architectural Prowess & Fascinating.
But with enough Workers or perhaps Slaves, it's Achievable.

What i find Extremely Odd is the Radio Silence out in the Universe.
Nobody Else broadcasting, besides US!

P.S. - 166887.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
What i find Extremely Odd is the Radio Silence out in the Universe.
Nobody Else broadcasting, besides US!

P.S. - 166887.

I know what you mean. The lack of intelligible radio broadcasts would make me feel alone if it wasn't for the Internet, lol.




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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
What i find Extremely Odd is the Radio Silence out in the Universe.
Nobody Else broadcasting, besides US!

P.S. - 166887.

Some considerations though:

Duration of the presence of a signal from a technically capable civilization, i.e. for how long will they broadcast from their first signals to their last?

How far away are they in light years, i.e. has their signal reached us yet, or has all of it passed us by now?



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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Some considerations though:

Duration of the presence of a signal from a technically capable civilization, i.e. for how long will they broadcast from their first signals to their last?

How far away are they in light years, i.e. has their signal reached us yet, or has all of it passed us by now?
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Another way to put that ...
What is the two-way turn around time, and what is the likely wavelength?

I think I am getting too wrapped up in the imponderables, .


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[Zer0]

It took Us approximately 4 billion years to attain the Technology.

The Universe is said to be approximately 13.7 billion years old.
(But yea it's Expanding)

The Milky Way is approximately 13 billion years old.

With the Basic ingredients for Life scattered across the Cosmos, How is it possible that Intelligent Life never emerged elsewhere before Us?

If They were Truly Intelligent, How could They have not survived the Great Filter?

I'm Very Optimistic about Life originating elsewhere, a little Realistic when it comes to Intelligence emerging elsewhere, but forced to be Pessimistic when Absolute Silence abounds all across the Universe.

P.S. - How Odd would it be, if We are the Only Ones out here all Alone!
👽
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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...

With the Basic ingredients for Life scattered across the Cosmos, How is it possible that Intelligent Life never emerged elsewhere before Us?

It seems probable that life emerges when the elements and conditions are conducive, but those conditions are not common, and the resources don't sustain life long enough to reliably evolve to intelligence :shrug:

If They were Truly Intelligent, How could They have not survived the Great Filter?

Fill me in on the Great Filter ...

I'm Very Optimistic about Life originating elsewhere, a little Realistic when it comes to Intelligence emerging elsewhere, but forced to be Pessimistic when Absolute Silence abounds all across the Universe.

I agree. Earth and human intelligence being a "one off" occurrence does seem improbable,

P.S. - How Odd would it be, if We are the Only Ones out here all Alone!
👽

It is our nature to speculate and to calculate the odds, but the "as yet" unknowns will always haunt us until we find the answers.




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[Halc]

If They were Truly Intelligent, How could They have not survived the Great Filter?

Which makes humans appear not truly intelligent, since we're incapable of acting for the benefit of our own survival.

Fill me in on the Great Filter ...

The Great Filter is that which makes technologically advanced civilizations go extinct before they fully mature. It isn't a specific thing, but it is proposed to take out most nearly-intelligent races.

I agree. Earth and human intelligence being a "one off" occurrence does seem improbable

I also agree, but they last such a short time that the odds that you're looking at them during their incredibly short blink of existence is pretty much zero.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

But given that they coincide on Earth today, perhaps there is some organized way for humanity to play that to an advantage before time runs out?

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
My apologies for not being able to grok what you're asking. Possibly you're not even responding to my post.

I'm the one failing to make the point clear, that both the hospitable environment and the advanced intelligence exist here today, so we have "beat the odds" so to speak.

[Halc]

I'm the one failing to make the point clear, that both the hospitable environment and the advanced intelligence exist here today, so we have "beat the odds" so to speak.

I can't see even mildly complex life, let alone and advanced intelligence, arising in an environment not suited for it, so I don't see odds to beat. It's not like intelligent life fails to beat the odds by being introduced to a place like the moon and his has a moment to say, "Well this sucks" before it promptly dies.

As for intelligence, humans are, as Zero points out, hardly an advanced one since it seems our only action is to destroy that hospitable environment about as fast as we can. We're not only incapable of doing otherwise, but we seem even incapable of imagining a better course of action. OK, so we'll be eliminated by the great filter like all the others. Maybe we'll even get lucky and not go extinct right away, but the technological part will likely be lost soon and permanently. We'll just be another animal trying to survive the Holocene extinction event then.

Trick is to find some Alien race that didn't take this path. Maybe that's about as impossible for them as it is for us, so we never have time to find each other.

[Zer0]

If They were Truly Intelligent, How could They have not survived the Great Filter?

Which makes humans appear not truly intelligent, since we're incapable of acting for the benefit of our own survival.

What If...

WE are the Ones who surpass All Great Filters?

WE Genetically modify our own Species for better Endurance & Survival rates?

WE successfully create A.G.I. which could swarm & colonize the Whole Galaxy?

P.S. - To keep Trying & not Succeed isn't Failure, to Give Up is.
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[Halc]

What If...
WE Genetically modify our own Species for better Endurance & Survival rates?

Our endurance and survival rate is not the problem.

What If...
WE successfully create A.G.I. which could swarm & colonize the Whole Galaxy?

That would possibly be something that would last, something that isn't taken out by the filter, at least not the filter that takes us out. It is a real possibility for any technological race that they design their own successor before they get 'filtered' themself. It is probable that some of the races do this. It makes one wonder why we don't see evidence of such a presence in the galaxy. Do the AGIs have a different filter that none survive?

[paul cotter]

An advanced civilisation would be using low power point to point and cable systems for communication. Using 500kw for an am transmitter and 50kw for tv is very wasteful of energy. The chance of picking up a signal at the distances involved is negligible, if said race is advanced enough to be energy efficient. The era of terrestrial high power transmission on earth has lasted ~100years and is now fading out.

[Zer0]

What If...
WE Genetically modify our own Species for better Endurance & Survival rates?

Our endurance and survival rate is not the problem.

I was Thinking in terms of being able to breathe underwater or possibly utilizing hydrogen as a catalyst for respiration rather than oxygen.

A way in which a human could have a sumptuous breakfast & then survive for a whole century without food & water.

Can We not modify & elevate our five basic senses & mitigate pain completely?

I have no answer to your points on AGI having a Great Filter of their own.
You are quite Correct, They should have swarmed & colonized the whole galaxy by now.

P.S. - so...No simple life, No complex life, No intelligent life & No AGIs...what a Strange & Weird Universe this is...DamN!
☹️

[alancalverd]

What If...

WE Genetically modify our own Species for better Endurance & Survival rates?

The result would be a different species. Like a cockroach or a water bear. Great survivors.

[Zer0]

What If...

WE Genetically modify our own Species for better Endurance & Survival rates?

The result would be a different species. Like a cockroach or a water bear. Great survivors.

Yes!
Exactly my point.
Agreed they won't be humans, even far from post humans.

But i feel We should Try.
We should excercise our Rights to create something way better than Us.

I've read about a Frog that freezes & goes into cryogenic hibernation.
Even a Jellyfish that can rejuvenate & return back from adulthood to a teenage level or possibly childhood.
& Lizards that can regrow their lost legs n tail.

I do have Very High Hopes from AGI.
But cracking the nut of " What is Consciousness " seems far fetched at this point in time.
Wish We could Experiment a hell lot more with Genetic Engineering.

P.S. - I've been Guilty of dragging this OP in nooks & corners where it was unintended to go, hence i shall give my blabbering a rest now.
(Sorry)

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