[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

... I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning, and if you don't invoke a beginning, then an infinite and eternal universe gets easier to adopt as your world/universal view.   
 

So if you can't abide my thinking on the subject ...  or if someone lurking here has objections to the idea of "an infinite and eternal universe" without a Creator, I would challenge you with coming up with a viable alternative.


183640,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning

There indeed is no irrefutable evidence of it. The big bang theory itself does not preclude it, but neither does it give any meaning to the phrase 'before the big bang'.

True. And the phrase, "before the Big Bang", loses any sort of special "singularity"
 in a multiple big bang cosmological scenario where you have to ask, "before which big bang", lol.


183713,183921,184592,

[Zer0]

lol

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

However, even if there have been and will be new big bangs here and there, or if there are other similar expanding arenas across the infinite space of the universe, my presumption is that once you find yourself alive and in one of those expanding big bang arenas you are destined to remain within that same expanding arena for your entire life, and that "home" arena will continue to expand in space until it eventually intersects and overlaps with an adjacent arena that is expanding toward you.

And out of that type of a scenario, I came up with what I call the Sameness Doctrine. It says that no matter how big a space you imagine, or how much time passes, on a large scale there is a grand sameness across the greater universe.


184601,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

How can you find yourself anything but alive?

... but just being alive is too soon to celebrate. When you find yourself alive, its time to evaluate the circumstances ... As a baby you realize you are hungry and all you can figure out to do is cry. (Once you get past the diaper stage, you learn to ask for sweets, lol.) At some point you realize that you won't live forever, and building a pyramid didn't prove to be a solution. I predict that is when being philosophical really kicks in  .


184819,

[Zer0]

The first time i found myself Alive...
Was at a funeral of an old lady..
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

It is the nature of the universe for lives to be individual, while death is often a group event. As individuals, there is little that we value more than life, but as the lives of planets and stars play out, death can often be a wholesale event.


185641,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I could be way off, and I welcome anyone saying so, but to me, a multiple big bang scenario implies multiple catastrophes resulting in the termination of life on a massive scale, occurring here and there, over all time.  That assumes that life itself is generated from the mix of physics and chemistry that I suggest is the norm over any lengthly span of time and space.  If, on a grand scale, the typical biology present across the universe acts the way I think it does, settings like we find on Earth are natural, and life is "generative and evolvative".


186396,

[Zer0]

...
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

It is the nature of the universe for lives to be individual, while death is often a group event. As individuals, there is little that we value more than life, but as the lives of planets and stars play out, death can often be a wholesale event.


185641,

This is dependent on an Individual's Personal Views.

I am a Single life form.
But perhaps i house Millions of Other life forms within my body.
My Death would be similar to the Ending of their Universe.
(group event)

Our personal Values vary accordingly.
Some might lay more Emphasis on Ethics & Morals.
Or Joy & Happiness.
(If all that mattered was stayin Alive, none would have committed Suicide)

Transcending our personal existence, if the Whole Universe can be thought of as One Single Entity...
Then any Cosmic scaled destruction probably won't matter.
(when one flower withers n dies, another blossoms)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

This is dependent on an Individual's Personal Views.

I am a Single life form.
But perhaps i house Millions of Other life forms within my body.
My Death would be similar to the Ending of their Universe.
(group event)

Our personal Values vary accordingly.
Some might lay more Emphasis on Ethics & Morals.
Or Joy & Happiness.
(If all that mattered was stayin Alive, none would have committed Suicide)

Thank you, well said.

Transcending our personal existence, if the Whole Universe can be thought of as One Single Entity...
Then any Cosmic scaled destruction probably won't matter.
(when one flower withers n dies, another blossoms)

Let me add to that and say that even though it is hard for me to think of eternity as a single event, it does get me thinking of the existence of the universe in terms of one single entity with an infinite time allotment.


186793,

[Zer0]

We are somehow forced or coerced or provoked into thinking/speculating/imagining a larger grander image, isn't it.

Getting down from banana & mango trees, coming out of the jungle & bushes We see...

First it was a ground, bordering a hill, then someone figured out " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...there is more land across & behind the Hill!

Then it's an island, surrounded by the sea.
Until someone learns to swim & then " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...there is another Island!

Colonizing a whole continent, sailing across the horizon, searching an edge & fearing We might fall off of the face of the Earth, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Continents!

Moving from geocentrism to heliocentrism, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Planets!

Staring at the mesmerizing Stars, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Suns!

Analyzing the Milky way, focusing on a bunch of Stars that seem farther away, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Galaxies!

Pondering about the Observable Universe...tryin to imagine & speculate what lies ahead...

" Hey, Wait a Minute! "
(lol)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
Pondering about the Observable Universe...tryin to imagine & speculate what lies ahead...

...

Contemplating the future is one of my favorite pastimes ...

From here and now, I speculate the future will be         ,,,          more of the same          ...


187539,

[Zer0]

Imagination, to me, seems like a default pre-loaded app stored inside the Brain.
You can Try to Clear cache & Delete all data & Force stop it.
But you Just cannot Uninstall it.

E.g.
Unicorns do Not exist!
(auto loads an image of a white horse, single horn on head & possibly white wings)
lol


I have very little hope left in humans.
But it's still there.

" I see Humans, but No Humanity! ".
(J. Donahue)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

From here and now, I speculate the future will be         ,,,          more of the same     

Sort of. Earth will not be habitable by multicellular life within about a billion years, so that's the end of us well before then if we don't find a way to do something about it. That's not exactly 'more of the same'. I personally see purpose in humanity. We have the ability to initiate the next level, but most people find, well, 'more of the same' to be more comforting.

The "more of the same" I refer to is part of a "sameness doctrine" where if you are anywhere in the infinite universe, as everything is , if you consider the grand scale from that perspective, the universe will look essentially the same as it does from anywhere else. The key phrase to make all such perspectives quite similar is "on a grand scale". That is, on a scale that is large enough to make the view from there representative of the view from any location in the universe.


187927,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Let's discuss something "having no significance"; perhaps something as insignificant as a single grain of sand on an infinite beach. Could we say that one such single grain of sand would have no significance?

Under what circumstances would a single human life have no significance? A tough question ...


187948,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The one life has significance to that one life. All of humanity has negligible (arguably zero?) significance to the universe as a whole, but per the beach analogy, without humanity and other life forms that pop up here and there, the universe would not be a structure that contains elements that can understand the nature of the structure of which they are a part. That's a non-trivial significance for the beach even if humanity itself (the one grain) isn't necessary for it.

I appreciate the significance of those words. I can't think of a feature of the universe that would be meaningful if there was no intelligent life in the universe. It takes intelligence to glean some meaning to anything and everything.


Even without life existing in the universe, the mere existence of the physical universe would still be infinite and eternal, and a lifeless infinite and eternal universe would certainly eventually generate life and intelligence, somewhere, some time. And if that is true, the nature of the mix of elements and environments across infinity would have, I suggest, a 100% probability of giving rise to an aware life form that would appreciate the fact that it exists, like we do now.


188053,

[Zer0]

Let's discuss something "having no significance"; perhaps something as insignificant as a single grain of sand on an infinite beach. Could we say that one such single grain of sand would have no significance?

Under what circumstances would a single human life have no significance? A tough question ...

187948,

What else is the Deep Blue Beautiful Ocean, if not just a mere collection of tiny droplets.

If the Grains of Sand on the Beach were viewed as an Analogy for all the Stars n Planets n Moons in the Universe...
Of what Significance then would that One Single Grain be..
If it was named Planet Earth!

In view of Human Life,
What significant contributions have Glass makers, Seed sowers, Compass manufacturers made towards Science & Technology?

Ask Galileo, Ask Newton, Ask Einstein!


The Universe Was probabilistic & predictable, Not Anymore!
(Free Will)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

What else is the Deep Blue Beautiful Ocean, if not just a mere collection of tiny droplets.

If the Grains of Sand on the Beach were viewed as an Analogy for all the Stars n Planets n Moons in the Universe...
Of what Significance then would that One Single Grain be..
If it was named Planet Earth!

In view of Human Life,
What significant contributions have Glass makers, Seed sowers, Compass manufacturers made towards Science & Technology?

Ask Galileo, Ask Newton, Ask Einstein!


The Universe Was probabilistic & predictable, Not Anymore!
(Free Will)

Tiny droplets, grains of sand, a single human life among all that have lived and passed ...
 each has their moment in time and space ...

And that makes me think that even in the light of eternity and infinity, single lives and single moments become memories of life's events that endure in the mind, and pass into the universe and traverse space as brain waves, generated by human thinking machines, made of nothing but the atoms and chemicals that spawn life and spread life through the infinite and endless universe.


189248,

[Zer0]

Also makes me Wonder...

A Finite amount of Hopes & Dreams, spread throughout an Infinite Universe..(+1)
Or
A Time bound amount of Pain & Suffering, passing thru Eternity..(-1)

How much of a Difference could mere Mortals make towards the Immortal?

1 +  ♾️  =  ♾️
1  -  ♾️  =  ♾️


The Universe, it seems, is clearly Heartless!
How else could it Resist to Not fall in Love with Us!

Love & Respect -
David Bowie, Emm Gryner, Joe Corcoran, Andrew Tidby, Evan Hadfield & Commander Chris Hadfield.

Copyrights & Credits & Courtesy -
Onward Music Limited/Rare Earth Channel/YouTube.

[Peter11]

Immortality doesn't exist in this reality sort of like infinities.If a human found immortality how would you escape the planet or solar system when it ends.It makes no sense in this reality and goes directly against nature.I wouldn't want to be immortal in this reality.
It would be like the old star trek show were every square inch of the planet was covered with immortal beings looking for a way to die.