[Zer0]

Apologies for ruining the mood of the poetry, and Zero's poetic response.

How much of a Difference could mere Mortals make towards the Immortal?

What is 'the immortal'?

The Immortal/Eternal/Infinite was in reference to the speculative visualization & creative imagination of the OP, in relatable terms with their personal beliefs about the size/scale/structure/properties of their own interpretation of the Cosmic Universe.

Infinity plus or minus whatever, still remains Infinity.

An Apology does seem in place, but Not from your end.
Look up at the Night Sky, see the Moon?
Look closer, & You'd see Me & Mr Smiles sitting on a moon mound chillin & havin fun.
lol
Your words are Always Appreciable, but We are simply too far & too high for em to reach Us.
Rather We feel Apologetic you cannot join Us!
: )
Hope you know you're always Welcome!

[Zer0]

Immortality doesn't exist in this reality sort of like infinities.If a human found immortality how would you escape the planet or solar system when it ends.It makes no sense in this reality and goes directly against nature.I wouldn't want to be immortal in this reality.
It would be like the old star trek show were every square inch of the planet was covered with immortal beings looking for a way to die.

& these are purely your Own personal thoughts & beliefs & views.
It's Great to have Critical thinking & Logical reasoning skills...
But it ain't Mandatory to Always be an Absolutist!

Copyrights & Credits & Courtesy -
Isaac Asimov/Space AI Channel/YouTube.

When All else Fails, HOPE Remains!
( : Dedicated to Isaac Asimov : )

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The discussion of multiple big bangs has turned out to be a topic that does spark some interest. However, the popular version of Big Bang Theory, i.e. a Single big bang, ignores the preconditions that would have to exist scientifically in order for a single big bang to occur.


Also, the premise of there being only a single Big Bang event ignores the fact that contemplation of infinite space and time logically leads one  to feel that it is not  foolish to entertain the idea of multiple big bangs. And along with contemplating the idea of multiple big bangs, how can we not consider multiple infinities; infinities of space, time and energy?

Some may see those thoughts as leaning toward philosophy and away from science, but is it too bold to say that "infinites" must be a part of the mathematics of science. The fact that each infinity comes through to us in the present from the eternal past, and is expected to play out right on into the infinite future appeals to my layman logic.


If we take that thought as a premise, isn't it one that would require a change in personal philosophy for many of us to accept?


190831,

[Zer0]

Is the Concept of ' Cause & Effect ' a MindTrap?

If the BB is an After Effect, is the existence of a Primordial Cause mandatory?

Isn't this way of thought & imagination like a Vicious Circle?

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Is the Concept of ' Cause & Effect ' a MindTrap?

If the BB is an After Effect, is the existence of a Primordial Cause mandatory?

Isn't this way of thought & imagination like a Vicious Circle?

Thanks Zer0, definitely food for thought. I'm not sure there was any primordial cause, so I think if a person prefers to consider an initial cause, they are leaning toward a philosophy where the universe requires a beginning. To propose a beginning tends to make me think it also requires the Supernatural.

That's OK of course because we all like to think freely. However, my philosophy doesn't invoke the Supernatural, but instead invokes an infinite and eternal universe that has always existed. I'm open minded though, and there is an amazingly high probability that not only am I wrong, but it seems possible that no one really has a definitive answer; this is really one of life's imponderables.



192175

[Zer0]

If the BB is an After Effect

What is an after-effect as opposed to an effect? I mean, are there 'before effects'?

If the BB is an After Effect, is the existence of a Primordial Cause mandatory?

If it's an effect, it needs a cause by definition. That doesn't mandate a 'first cause', or 'initial state' or however you might want to word it.

If the BB was the actual Beginning of Space & Time(effect)

Then there was No (positive) space & No (positive) time for the Primordial Cause to Exist.

I implied ' after-effect ' to avoid asserting Negative space & Negative time.

(I Accept the thought is fringe, i do Not wish to make you cringe)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

If the BB was the actual Beginning of Space & Time(effect)

Then there was No (positive) space & No (positive) time for the Primordial Cause to Exist.

...

True, but then BB doesn't have to be part of a philosophy of the existence of the universe, or even part of a recurring sequence of events that might be playing out over and over, here and there, across infinite and eternal space and time. We might be able to drop BB all together and replace it with (my favorite), i.e., the universe has always existed. Now don't get me wrong, I think that one infinite and eternal universe makes the most sense, but given eternity and infinity, big bangs here and there, now and then wouldn't shake me too much.


192465,193226,

[Zer0]

I cannot dismiss the BBT...
It's Not that easy.

Expanding space via Hubble Red Shift is Observed.

CMBR has been Measured by the BigHorn & Planck.

Evidence for Inflation collected by WMAP.

Hydrogen fused to make Helium early on.
Extremely High pressure n temperature was a Must.

All of the Above cannot be just made up stuff.

It Happened...
Why or How, remains unclear & uncertain.


Ummm...Halc...Mr Smiles...Anyone Else!

I had read, in the Beginning, there were Equal amounts of Matter-Antimatter.
Any Assumptions available as to Why/How that Symmetry broke?

& the Universe isn't just Expanding, rather going thru a phase of Accelerated expansion.
It must have always been expanding, but any Speculations on Why/How it is Accelerating?

Last but not the least, Inflation!
Any Imaginations...
Why/How did it Start all of a sudden?
& then Why/How all of a sudden, it Stopped?


Philosophers are mostly Misunderstudz...
They are Dreamerz..
Not Foolz!
(0)

[Halc]

To propose a beginning tends to make me think it also requires the Supernatural.

A supernatural cause is not a beginning, so to propose a beginning tends to preclude a supernatural cause, unless that supernatural thing itself has a beginning. There seem to be contradictions to the usual assumptions no matter how this is phrased.

this is really one of life's imponderables.

You seem to be pondering an awful lot for it being an imponderable.

a recurring sequence of events that might be playing out over and over, here and there, across infinite and eternal space and time.

I think Olber's paradox is relevant here

Olbers's paradox, also known as the dark night sky paradox, is an argument in astrophysics and physical cosmology that says that the darkness of the night sky conflicts with the assumption of an infinite and eternal static universe.

I had read, in the Beginning, there were Equal amounts of Matter-Antimatter.
Any Assumptions available as to Why/How that Symmetry broke?

Kind of an unsolved problem There seems to be no conservation law since black holes violate the conservation of baryon number, so an imbalance isn't any kind of violation, but that's not an explanation.

the Universe isn't just Expanding, rather going thru a phase of Accelerated expansion.

The acceleration commenced about 6 billion years ago when matter density (and associated gravity) dropped below the constant dark energy density (the cosmological constant). It will now forever accelerate, eventually settling on an exponential expansion of about 57 km/sec/mpc.

It must have always been expanding

It was, but it doesn't have to. Had matter density been enough, it would never have dropped below the dark energy threshold and expansion would have stopped, with an eventual big crunch to follow. That isn't our fate.

Last but not the least, Inflation!
Any Imaginations...
Why/How did it Start all of a sudden?
& then Why/How all of a sudden, it Stopped?

Science doesn't answer how/why questions like that. But it started when the universe was about 10^-36 seconds old and lasted until the universe was about 3000 times older than that, which is still a really short time. Or at least the inflation here stopped then. In some models, it is still going on elsewhere.

[Zer0]

Thanks Halc for spending your time on Imponderables.
Btw, has the Pioneer Anomaly been Resolved?


Mr Smiles...Infinites & Eternals perhaps have No End Point, coz they go on Forever n Ever!
But They most certainly might be having a Starting Point...
A start from what..
Singularity . Dot?


The side talk on the Supernatural reminded me of a video on Utube.

I had posted it in some OP already.
Hence, won't do it again.

Besides, it includes profanity, nudity, violence, blasphemy & would/could Definitely hurt religious/spiritual sentiments worldwide.


( DarkMatter2525 God's God )

[Zer0]

Why did this Thread go dead?

Apologies if that Silly Utube video mentioned Hurt y'all.

Please do Modify or Remove any posts of mine, as applicable.


Questions are Causes, Answers Effects.
Seeking Knowledge, lessens Defects.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Why did this Thread go dead?

Apologies if that Silly Utube video mentioned Hurt y'all.

Please do Modify or Remove any posts of mine, as applicable.


Questions are Causes, Answers Effects.
Seeking Knowledge, lessens Defects.

A brief minor medical scare put me out of commission for a few days, but it was nothing.

I did get to experience an MRI; interesting experience.

193651,

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I did get to experience an MRI

Stands for 'Minimal Room Inside"

But hey, glad it was nothing. Take care

Lol ..., those are some powerful magnets; you should hear them roar . I have a pacemaker and the manufacturer sent a representative to observe the  procedure just in case (in case of what I don't know), and apparently they didn't see any tumors or peculiarities. Maybe they thought my dental work would heat up too much or something.




193813,

 

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I have a pacemaker and the manufacturer sent a representative to observe the  procedure just in case (in case of what I don't know), and apparently they didn't see any tumors or peculiarities. Maybe they thought my dental work would heat up too much or something.

The dental work doesn't heat up, but the magnets pull the fillings and make your mouth vocalize stuff that you'd rather keep secret (account numbers and such). The pacemaker representative was there to record what your dental work made you say.

You heard it here first folks.   

Well, that explains it, lol.


193813,

[Zer0]

The OP is a young lad, clearly teenaged at heart, & infant in the brain.
(lol sorry!)

If i were Him, i wouldn't worry much.
Besides, We got no time to waste.
Gotta ponder about the Imponderables yes!

So the side questions were...

1) Is the Pioneer Anomaly resolved?
2) Infinity has no end point, but does it have a starting point?

ps - An apple a day, keeps doctors away.
But if the nurse is a pretty fay...
Then throw the damm apple away!
; )

[Zer0]

I am still trying to Understand Sir Penrose's Cyclical Model.

Just found out about ' Hawking Points ' !


When We say the Universe is expanding, rather at an accelerated rate...
That's what We are currently Observing at the Edge of the observable Universe, Right..
But ' c ' has a limit hence We are peeking into the Past.

So, should We say it " is " expanding, or say it " was " expanding?


ps - a teen's heart is young n careless n free.
a baby's brain is capable of awe n wonder n pure joy.
This planet needs less Adults, more Kids.

[Zer0]

Why is Space temperature stuck at -270?C ?

In the Beginning, it was intesimally high.
So why can't it go extremely low?
(& is ' intesimally ' even a valid word?)


Was the temp of the Observable universe ever between 21?C to 24?C?


Are Measurements lower than -273?C possible?
(Ya i know, it's Absolute Zero, but i wanna know if We have instrumental capabilities to Measure lower temps or not?)


ps - next im gonna inquire about BH temps, so be prepared...lol

(195281)

[Halc]

Why is Space temperature stuck at -270?C ?

It isn't. It's still falling, but being so close to zero already, it hasn't much further to go.

So why can't it go extremely low?

It's already extremely low.

is ' intesimally ' even a valid word?)

Interesting word, sort of combining 'infinitesimal' and 'intensely'.

Was the temp of the Observable universe ever between 21?C to 24?C?

1, it's the entire universe, not just the observable part. Yes, it was all those other temperatures along the way to where it is now.

Are Measurements lower than -273?C possible?

Zero K is as low as it gets. There are articles that claim some sort of negative energy and express it as lower than zero temperature, so you'd probably be able to google something that claims otherwise.

Ya i know, it's Absolute Zero, but i wanna know if We have instrumental capabilities to Measure lower temps or not?

Any instrument can display a negative number, but if nothing is actually colder than zero, it wouldn't be a measure of anything's temperature.

next im gonna inquire about BH temps, so be prepared.

See no-hair theorem. It says that BH has mass, charge, and angular momentum, and no other properties. Temperature isn't one of those.

[Zer0]

@ Halc
Something's changed.
donno what thou.

Have you gone par excellence at explaining stuff?
Or am i grasping n absorbing n understanding stuff better than before.

Hmm...might be the former, slim chance of the latter happening.
(prapz it's time U try ur luck at a university faculty post, u'd make for an excellent teacher)

Just avoid making cringey faces in front of dem kidz lolz!


@MrSmiles...
Why so Silent?
(hopefully ur still smilin)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
@MrSmiles...
Why so Silent?
(hopefully ur still smilin)

Yes, thank you , as good as ever ...
Just not much contemplation happening as I recuperate from recent illness. I will be composing a new post with some ideas for discussion very soon ...

195624,