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Technology is a set of tools. Or at least it used to be. Nowadays it's become a general term for fashionable stuff you don't really need, that makes your life complicated and expensive.
the existence of any two conscious entities with different goals (e.g. predator and prey) means that there is no universal goal.
common usage of the word "universal" as in "universal declaration of human rights".
a member of the species homo sapiens - a mostly hairless bipedal mammal with (mostly) 46 chromosomes and a unique desire and ability to kill other members of the same species for no logical reason
Being bipedal nor having 46 chromosomes are not universally required to have a goal.
Which technology are you referring to?
Letting the predator die in starvation is an instrumental goal for the prey.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/12/2023 13:05:32Being bipedal nor having 46 chromosomes are not universally required to have a goal.Which is why I said "mostly". It's the default state of homo sapiens but folk with fewer legs or more chromosomes qualify if they are the offspring of members of the said species.The task you set was to characterise a human, not to specify the requirements for having a goal.
I don't. I just pointed out that there are two common usages of "universal" and that neither can be applied to your concept of a terminal goal. .
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/12/2023 12:30:28Which technology are you referring to?Old technology: hammers, soldering irons, computers, telephones that make and receive voice calls.New technology: cars that think they know what the driver wants, better than the driver, and/or take all night to refuel. Phones that receive garbage like Whatsapp and other things that drive kids to suicide. Anything owned by Elon Musk.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/12/2023 13:01:13Letting the predator die in starvation is an instrumental goal for the prey.No.You are assuming that the prey knows the nature of every possible predator, and that the predator only has one prey species.
It's the season of giving and Bill Maher calls out the haters who complain that YouTube celebrity Mr. Beast is only serving himself when helping others.
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/12/2023 14:34:09Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/12/2023 13:01:13Letting the predator die in starvation is an instrumental goal for the prey.No.You are assuming that the prey knows the nature of every possible predator, and that the predator only has one prey species. I'm commenting on your specific example, which involves a specific prey and a specific predator.
No, I said ANY predator and prey - nothing specific at all. There's an implicit philological point that you can't have one without the other, but plenty of species (dogs, foxes, eagles...) prey on rabbits, for instance, and each of the predators probably has a broad spectrum of prey (mice, insects, birds...) other than rabbits.
Your "broader systems" must include all subsystems if your goal is to be universal. "Universal excluding rabbits" isn't universal, nor is "universal excluding eagles". So the one truly universal goal shared by all life forms is the desire to stay alive. Except for those who wish to die. So there cannot be a universal terminal goal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_toleranceThe paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the seemingly self-contradictory idea that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
It's generally accepted that not all information has the same importance. Some are more important than the others.Getting it wrong on important things can have severe consequences.We need to keep the low probability of being wrong on high impact situations.Reducing the probability of being wrong, or improving accuracy of information, consumes some resources.We should prioritize improving accuracy and precision of information with highest risk for being wrong, until it has acceptable risk level. The video title is Universal Utopia 7: Risk Based Thinking.
I'll make a preview for the next videos of naturally occurring conscious systems. Starting with the simplest things that are required for a system to become conscious, but not enough yet to be called conscious. It's the prerequisites to a system, as shown in the video above at 2:40.Any system, regardless if it's conscious or not, starts with a boundary between its inner part and outer environment. This boundary can occur naturally in a natural system, or defined by a conscious system in an artificial system.Surface of a rain drop is an example of a natural boundary.Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/02/2021 10:17:55//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvzbBRiNlAWhy do things exist? Setting the stage for evolution.This video kicks off the evolution series by going broad and thinking about why things - including non-living things - exist at all. The first in a series on evolution.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvzbBRiNlAWhy do things exist? Setting the stage for evolution.This video kicks off the evolution series by going broad and thinking about why things - including non-living things - exist at all. The first in a series on evolution.