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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1220 on: 06/02/2024 16:08:29 »
Did Scientists Just Prove Evolution In the Lab?
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Recreating evolution and the jump from single cells to multicellularity. A recent experiment has created evidence of evolution by creating multi-celled life that shows evidence of circulation, life cycles and division of labor. Have they revealed secrets that nature has been keeping for millions of years...

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12:36 An Experiment to Recreate Life on Earth
13:41 The Breakthrough Findings
This research demonstrated how multicellular lives can emerge from natural processes. It's a prequel to how conscious lives can emerge from natural processes without assuming supernatural intervention.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1221 on: 06/02/2024 17:36:39 »
No need for proof. Evolution is an everyday observation. You don't look exactly like both of your parents. Same applies to your dog and every creature that reproduces sexually. That's evolution.

It's more subtle with asexual reproduction, and I guess you'd need to apply some environmental stress to demonstrate that in a laboratory.

Evolution of species has been a hot potato as it challenges the authority of a lot of religious parasites, but since "species" isn't defined, it doesn't matter anyway!
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« Reply #1222 on: 07/02/2024 02:26:19 »
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No need for proof. Evolution is an everyday observation. You don't look exactly like both of your parents. Same applies to your dog and every creature that reproduces sexually. That's evolution.

It's more subtle with asexual reproduction, and I guess you'd need to apply some environmental stress to demonstrate that in a laboratory.

Evolution of species has been a hot potato as it challenges the authority of a lot of religious parasites, but since "species" isn't defined, it doesn't matter anyway!

Every hypothesis requires supporting evidence.
Just like criminal investigations, people's ability to draw correct conclusions vary widely. Some can do it with very few evidence/clues, like what's depicted by Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot. When the readily available evidence is still inconclusive, they can find a way to generate the necessary evidence through experiments and more researches.
Some others can only come to the same conclusions after a lot of evidences are presented in front of them.
While some others can still fail to draw the correct conclusions even with overwhelming evidence. Typically, they have already been convinced by other hypotheses which are contradicted by those evidence.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1223 on: 07/02/2024 12:18:43 »
Michael Graziano - Why did Consciousness Emerge?
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There was a time when there was no consciousness in our universe. Now there is. What caused consciousness to emerge? Did consciousness develop in the same way that, say, the liver or the eye developed, by random mutation and fitness selection during evolution? Inner experience seems to be radically different from anything else. Are we fooling ourselves?

Michael Steven Anthony Graziano is an American scientist and novelist who is currently a professor of Psychology and Neuroscience at Princeton University. His scientific research focuses on the brain basis of awareness.
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« Reply #1224 on: 07/02/2024 12:22:26 »
Giulio Tononi - Why is Consciousness so Baffling?
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How does consciousness weave its magical web of inner awareness?appreciating music, enjoying art, feeling love? Even when all mental functions may be explained, the great mystery?what it 'feels like' inside?will likely remain. This is the 'Hard Problem' of consciousness. What could even count as a theory of consciousness, even in principle?

Giulio Tononi is a neuroscientist and psychiatrist who holds the David P. White Chair in Sleep Medicine, as well as a Distinguished Chair in Consciousness Science, at the University of Wisconsin.
 
It's baffling for those who haven't properly and consistently defined it.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1225 on: 07/02/2024 17:55:03 »
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Every hypothesis requires supporting evidence.
Evolution is not a hypothesis. It is the name we give to an everyday observation, like sunrise and political incompetence.

The mechanism of evolution is a bit more subtle, not completely understood, and so complicated that the observation looks a bit random, unpredictable, and mostly unproductive, but we use it in selective breeding, rather like voting Labour in the hope that things won't get any worse.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1226 on: 08/02/2024 02:17:44 »
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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/02/2024 02:26:19
Every hypothesis requires supporting evidence.
Evolution is not a hypothesis. It is the name we give to an everyday observation, like sunrise and political incompetence.

The mechanism of evolution is a bit more subtle, not completely understood, and so complicated that the observation looks a bit random, unpredictable, and mostly unproductive, but we use it in selective breeding, rather like voting Labour in the hope that things won't get any worse.
It started as a hypothesis. Now it's a widely accepted hypothesis due to overwhelming evidence supporting it. It should not be taught dogmatically and unquestionably. Introduce it like any other hypothesis, and show how accumulated evidence through out history of sciences in biology have converged to support it.

Even the first knowledge can be acquired by a conscious agent, which is its own existence for being able to make that inquiry, started as a hypothesis. The hypothesis must be accepted because otherwise, it would create a contradiction.
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« Reply #1227 on: 14/02/2024 05:50:26 »
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« Reply #1228 on: 17/02/2024 11:42:29 »
Moloch is Losing! Meaning Crisis, Metacrisis, and Nihilistic Crisis Update - Solutions & Narratives!

When we haven't properly defined goal, it's highly probable to end up as nihilists. Some of us may even be so confused by thinking that death is their goal.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1229 on: 18/02/2024 00:40:58 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/02/2024 02:17:44
Now it's a widely accepted hypothesis
Do you look exactly like both of your parents?

If so, evolution may be a hypothesis. If not, it is an everyday observation. 
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« Reply #1230 on: 18/02/2024 06:27:15 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/02/2024 00:40:58
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/02/2024 02:17:44
Now it's a widely accepted hypothesis
Do you look exactly like both of your parents?

If so, evolution may be a hypothesis. If not, it is an everyday observation. 
My parents look different. One male, the other is female. How can I look exactly like both?
Even identical twins aren't exactly look the same.

If it were as obvious as you've described, why humans have misunderstood it for millenia?
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« Reply #1231 on: 18/02/2024 06:32:40 »
How One Man Accidentally Changed Philosophy Forever

Here's one comment I like to share.
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To be frank I don?t think JTB is a coherent definition of knowledge. Knowledge is just, and always has been, justified belief. We don?t have access to truth, everything we have is justification, when you see that it is raining outside, you are justified in believing that it is raining outside, but is it? You could go outside and experience rain, but you?re only getting further justification that it is raining, nothing more.
I've stated previously that the True requirement for knowledge is an overcommitment, which would make almost nothing is classified as knowledge, and renders the term useless.
Not all knowledge has the same level of confidence. Knowledge used in making decisions needs to have adequate level of confidence, depending on the risk involved.
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« Reply #1232 on: 19/02/2024 19:20:38 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/02/2024 06:27:15
If it were as obvious as you've described, why humans have misunderstood it for millenia?
Because religious parasites attacked Darwin's theory of the evolution of species, and thus promulgated the absurd belief that evolution is a hypothesis.

The stupidity of humans cannot be overestimated.

Millennia? I think not. Homo sapiens has been exploiting evolution since we began farming. The suggestion that the blindingly obvious is merely a theory can only be traced back to 1859.
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« Reply #1233 on: 20/02/2024 12:43:19 »
Exploiting is different from understanding. Humans have been exploiting fire since antiquity without correctly understanding it.
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« Reply #1234 on: 21/02/2024 22:18:47 »
And we still don't understand evolution. But that doesn't make it a theory - it's an observation.
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« Reply #1235 on: 22/02/2024 13:56:23 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 21/02/2024 22:18:47
And we still don't understand evolution. But that doesn't make it a theory - it's an observation.
We do understand it, for most part.
There are observations of evolution, like fossil record and biodiversity.
There are theories of evolution, which are human's attempts to explain the observations.
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« Reply #1236 on: 22/02/2024 22:24:17 »
So we agree that evolution is not a theory.

So the phrase "the theory of evolution" is meaningless, but "my theory of the mechanism of evolution" might mean something. But it would have to be a very big theory to explain Darwin's finches, the variance of human skin pigmentation, and the increasing width of motor cars. And if it is to be considered a scientific theory, it would have to predict the result of an experiment we haven't yet done.
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« Reply #1237 on: 24/02/2024 10:37:42 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/02/2024 22:24:17
So we agree that evolution is not a theory.

So the phrase "the theory of evolution" is meaningless, but "my theory of the mechanism of evolution" might mean something.
The disagreements are mainly come from the shifting of what the word "theory" means. Casual usage seems to be different from usage in science community.
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« Reply #1238 on: 24/02/2024 11:13:46 »
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But it would have to be a very big theory to explain Darwin's finches, the variance of human skin pigmentation, and the increasing width of motor cars. And if it is to be considered a scientific theory, it would have to predict the result of an experiment we haven't yet done.
Darwinian theory of evolution is based on a few axioms, like heredity, variations through mutations, and natural selection. Long term predictions are hard because of chaos theory, and small change in little details can have significant impact later on.
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« Reply #1239 on: 25/02/2024 07:37:36 »
Economy is about distribution of resources to achieve the terminal goal of a system effectively and efficiently.
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