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In an ideal universe, there would be no motion other than that of ourselves or other species.  Obviously this removes any concern about cosmic collisions.
Secondly the weather experience would not be random, it would be scheduled and conditions would never be too extreme, there would be a fine balance.
Also I would have a steady state entropy where the balance always remained an equilibrium.

Sounds kinda dull @Thebox.

In what way dull?  What the universe is doing is  imperative to survival.  Why look up at the sky worrying when we should be looking up enjoying? 
In life we find our own entertainment, the universal worry is not entertaining and a steady state universe would allow a sort of heavenly bliss where the only thing we are concentrating on is our own lives  .   The surroundings a script that does need to alter but can be played in by humans.  Consider the Zoo theory , it is all good as long as the zoo keepers look after us when needed.   What happens outside of the zoo is irrelevant, we would have the ultimate safety from the universal elements inside the zoo. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

So they need the ability to distinguish objects in their surrounding and categorize them, so they can choose appropriate actions.

Some organisms develop pain and pleasure system to tell if some circumstances are good or bad for their survival. They try to avoid pain and seek pleasure, which is basically making assumptions that pain is bad while pleasure is good.
Though there are times it could be a mistake to seek pleasure and avoid pain, mostly this rule of thumb brings overall benefits to the organisms.
Avoiding pain can prevent organisms from suffering further damage which may threat their lives. While seeking pleasure can help them to get basic needs to survive, such as food and sex.

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Sounds kinda dull @Thebox.

And kinda wrong

Secondly the weather experience would not be random,

We can still have wind, consider your room now, there is only you really moving in it.  The room is like a picture, we can move freely in the picture.  Hardly different to now except we could plan our days better because we would know 100% when sunny days happen.

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So they need the ability to distinguish objects in their surrounding and categorize them, so they can choose appropriate actions.

Some organisms develop pain and pleasure system to tell if some circumstances are good or bad for their survival. They try to avoid pain and seek to pleasure, basically making assumptions that pain is bad while pleasure is good.

Are you using google translate?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Are you using google translate?

No. If you find my posts sound strange, perhaps because English is not my native language. Besides, I often use mobile device to type, with occasional connection problem. So I had to type and post quickly to save my core messages. Only then I reviewed and made corrections. That's why you can see that my posts often changed.

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So they need the ability to distinguish objects in their surrounding and categorize them, so they can choose appropriate actions.

Some organisms develop pain and pleasure system to tell if some circumstances are good or bad for their survival. They try to avoid pain and seek pleasure, which is basically making assumptions that pain is bad while pleasure is good.
Though there are times it could be a mistake to seek pleasure and avoid pain, mostly this rule of thumb brings overall benefits to the organisms.
Avoiding pain can prevent organisms from suffering further damage which may threat their lives. While seeking pleasure can help them to get basic needs to survive, such as food and sex.

Our bodies have a natural sense of feeling pain.  This is one of our survival mechanisms.  Feeling ''pain'' in the sense of loss is a strange emotion by us compared to feeling pain.  It is natural in humans to want to eat, if left hungry, humans will eat each other to survive. Sex is over rated and should be considered only in the process of creating families.  In reality a couple can enjoy each other, physical contact or other without having the sex part  Nowadays obvious we can use protection so it is not such a big issue when it comes to  population issues.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Avoiding pain can prevent organisms from suffering further damage which may threat their lives. While seeking pleasure can help them to get basic needs to survive, such as food and sex.

To avoid pain experienced in the past as well as repeating pleasure, those organisms need some kind of memory storage. In biological systems, this is part of nervous system.
What is stored is basically a reconstruction of past experiences. In this reconstruction, it is necessary to create model of situations sensed by sensory system.

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Avoiding pain can prevent organisms from suffering further damage which may threat their lives. While seeking pleasure can help them to get basic needs to survive, such as food and sex.

To avoid pain experienced in the past as well as repeating pleasure, those organisms need some kind of memory storage. In biological systems, this is part of nervous system.
What is stored is basically a reconstruction of past experiences. In this reconstruction, it is necessary to create model of situations sensed by sensory system.

I thought memory was more related to magnetic storage?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Our bodies have a natural sense of feeling pain.  This is one of our survival mechanisms.  Feeling ''pain'' in the sense of loss is a strange emotion by us compared to feeling pain.  It is natural in humans to want to eat, if left hungry, humans will eat each other to survive. Sex is over rated and should be considered only in the process of creating families.  In reality a couple can enjoy each other, physical contact or other without having the sex part  Nowadays obvious we can use protection so it is not such a big issue when it comes to  population issues.

If we start by analysing the behavior of already very complex system such as humans, we are likely amazed by seemingly illogical things. That's why I started the analysis from simpler systems.
From there it is easier to understand how complex behavior evolved, by scrutinizing their cost and benefits for the system.

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Our bodies have a natural sense of feeling pain.  This is one of our survival mechanisms.  Feeling ''pain'' in the sense of loss is a strange emotion by us compared to feeling pain.  It is natural in humans to want to eat, if left hungry, humans will eat each other to survive. Sex is over rated and should be considered only in the process of creating families.  In reality a couple can enjoy each other, physical contact or other without having the sex part  Nowadays obvious we can use protection so it is not such a big issue when it comes to  population issues.

If we start by analysing the behavior of already very complex system such as humans, we are likely amazed by seemingly illogical things. That's why I started the analysis from simpler systems.
From there it is easier to understand how complex behavior evolved, by scrutinizing their cost and benefits for the system.

Well interesting piezoelectric impulses can be shocking to a system.  I am not sure such a complex system scrutinises their cost or benefit to the system. Does the complex system even understand what price is given ? Evolving is one thing, understanding is another. Don't you agree?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I thought memory was more related to magnetic storage?

There are many types of memory storage: mechanical such as punched card or gramophone disc, optical such as CD and DVD, or electrochemical such as biological nervous system.

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I thought memory was more related to magnetic storage?

There are many types of memory storage: mechanical such as punched card or gramophone disc, optical such as CD and DVD, or electrochemical such as biological nervous system.

The magnetosphere of atoms maybe?  Is it possible the atoms of our bodies or our brains magnetic field stores information?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Well interesting piezoelectric impulses can be shocking to a system.  I am not sure such a complex system scrutinises their cost or benefit to the system. Does the complex system even understand what price is given ? Evolving is one thing, understanding is another. Don't you agree?

In the next few posts I will discuss what understanding really is.

Spoiler: show

It's a developed kind of modelling.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Is it possible the atoms of our bodies or our brains magnetic field stores information?

I think so. But it's not the kind of memory that we usually think of.

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Is it possible the atoms of our bodies or our brains magnetic field stores information?

I think so. But it's not the kind of memory that we usually think of.

But in discussing biological systems is that not discussing our own memory storage?   

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Environmental changes and arms race among and between predators and preys pushed organisms to be better at what they do for a living.
Assuming that random mutation creates more harmful effect than beneficial ones, exchanging genetic materials may improve distribution of those beneficial Gene. It allows good genes acquired by different individual organisms to be accumulated in each cell of their offsprings.
This was the start of sexual reproduction.

Multicellular organisms with specific function cells aren't practical to reproduce by replicating each fully formed cells. It's better to dedicate some of those cells to specifically function as reproduction organs. Since only some part of parent's cells replicate to produce offsprings, it is necessary that the offsprings start with smaller size than the parents.
Some parents' features are not developed yet in the newborns.
Hence it would be beneficial for some parents to take care of their young because it can improve the survival chances of the organism's structure.

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Environmental changes and arms race among and between predators and preys pushed organisms to be better at what they do for a living.
Assuming that random mutation creates more harmful effect than beneficial ones, exchanging genetic materials may improve distribution of those beneficial Gene. It allows good genes acquired by different individual organisms to be accumulated in each cell of their offsprings.
This was the start of sexual reproduction.

Multicellular organisms with specific function cells aren't practical to reproduce by replicating each fully formed cells. It's better to dedicate some of those cells to specifically function as reproduction organs.

Sounds like some complex biology.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Sounds like some complex biology.

We have started from simplest system and slowly progressed to more complex ones. If you think there are something missing feel free to point it out here.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

This was the start of sexual reproduction.

AFAIK, all complex multicellular organisms came from ancestors who reproduced sexually. Those who are able to reproduce asexually like parthenogenesis are known to be descendants of sexually reproducing organisms.

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Those inputs are sensed by   sensitive part of organisms which  convert them into an internal process, usually electrochemical type. After interaction with other internal processes, some actions are done by actuator unit, such as chemical release, electricity, and movements.

Simplest form of processes connecting input and output are reflexes. They contain only a few  neural network layers.
As arms race going on, organisms develop more complex internal process with more layers of neural network system. They start to show instinct.