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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/09/2023 23:58:28If your needs weren't met, how can you get out of bed?At an early age, your needs are met by your parents, and you gradually transition to earning money or learning to hunt for yourself, until you have earned enough personal or social capital to spend more time in bed. The guarantee of universal basic services presumes that (a) someone will provide them and either (b) he has no need to do so as his needs will be met anyway or (c) there is a slave underclass who will provide them whether they like it or not.
If your needs weren't met, how can you get out of bed?
there is a slave underclass who will provide them whether they like it or not.
It can be done by advanced robotics and AI. Previous civilizations didn't have them.
Churchill remarked that democracy was a damn bad system of government but it was difficult to think of a better one. My preference would be to revert to a truly British system where parliament primarily determines what is against the public interest and does not impose rights or duties on anyone. This requires the abolition of political parties, and thus of politicians, and their replacement by genuine representatives of constituency interest.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2023 13:42:49It can be done by advanced robotics and AI. Previous civilizations didn't have them.So we tend towards a society with either 100% unemployment and 70,000,000 human battery chickens with no purpose in life, or 100% parasites vying to manage the robots to their own advantage.
A lot of philosophical questions couldn't be answered because philosophers didn't understand biology nor systems engineering. But it's about time to change. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5GDnD_WA2QThe science of the ?self? ? explained by a biologist | Michael LevinQuoteHow do ?you? emerge from a collection of cells? A biologist explains.The concept of the ?self? has long been considered philosophically significant: a foundation for exploring who we are and why we?re here. But where does the self begin?Developmental biologist Michael Levin explores this question, explaining how the ?self? is constantly being constructed and created, starting in the early moments of embryogenesis. Levin argues against binary categorizations of selfhood, emphasizing that it is a continuous phenomenon with no sharp lines between different stages of development. Using the example of self-organizing cells in the formation of the embryo, Levin also asserts that the self is not a singular entity ? rather, it is a collection of structures working together toward a specific goal.
How do ?you? emerge from a collection of cells? A biologist explains.The concept of the ?self? has long been considered philosophically significant: a foundation for exploring who we are and why we?re here. But where does the self begin?Developmental biologist Michael Levin explores this question, explaining how the ?self? is constantly being constructed and created, starting in the early moments of embryogenesis. Levin argues against binary categorizations of selfhood, emphasizing that it is a continuous phenomenon with no sharp lines between different stages of development. Using the example of self-organizing cells in the formation of the embryo, Levin also asserts that the self is not a singular entity ? rather, it is a collection of structures working together toward a specific goal.
How was the parliament formed?
Improved version of humans are likely needed to build interstellar civilizations.
Messing with the human genome to produce "improved humans" could easily lead to human extinction.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2023 16:43:22How was the parliament formed?Every street (say 20 electors) mandates a representative to the village council, every village council (say 20 streets) mandates a representative to the county, and so forth. Each representative can be recalled immediately if he doesn't press the best interests of those who mandated him. After about 4 or 5 layers, each with increasing tax and spend powers, you end up with about 200 members of a mandated parliament whose only job is to work in the interests of those who sent them. As each representative is chosen by about 20 people, each of whom is likewise answerable to the 20 in the layer below him, party affiliations are meaningless and there is no need for general elections - the parliament is in a constant state of flux and you don't gain or lose favor by voting for or against any motion at any level as long as you can explain your decision to the 20 who put you there.Trade unions have been using this structure since they were invented.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2023 16:45:55Improved version of humans are likely needed to build interstellar civilizations.And why would that be a Good Thing?
The human genome is not an engineering project where a reasonable estimate of downstream effects can be confidently predicted. New combinations of dna could potentially lead to virus formation with totally unpredictable outcomes. PS what universal moral compass?, and what universal terminal goal?
I've uploaded a video about universal terminal goal, which could be the answer to the most important question ever. It's the summary of what I've discussed here.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=e67Z-kezblcThis thread has gone so long, and those who didn't follow it from the start might face difficulties in understanding the core ideas. I hope the video can help.
Quote from: Origin on 25/11/2022 13:44:11Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/11/2022 08:34:05After finding that the universal terminal goal is to extend the existence of consciousness into the futureYou have not found that is the universal terminal goal, you have assumed that is the universal terminal goal.I would like to see you supply a succinct definition of "universal terminal goal".My second video will answer your concern. It will also address your misconception about the universal terminal goal.Most of the main points are already posted here somewhere, but they are scattered in random places. The video will collect them into a single place. Some visualization aids are also added to make the concept easier to understand.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLhu3lRUENU
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/11/2022 08:34:05After finding that the universal terminal goal is to extend the existence of consciousness into the futureYou have not found that is the universal terminal goal, you have assumed that is the universal terminal goal.I would like to see you supply a succinct definition of "universal terminal goal".
After finding that the universal terminal goal is to extend the existence of consciousness into the future
Any form of "AI" is only as smart as the programmers who write it's program. I think you have an unfounded belief that technology can solve all problems. PS I don't look at videos, I get my information from peer reviewed publications.
The problem, HY, is that you have defined something as a universal terminal goal without demonstrating its universality, canvassing the opinions of others who may disagree about its desirability, or even specifying all its parameters. In short, you have invented a personal religion with no god, no rules, no rituals, and no other followers.