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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1400 on: 22/04/2024 13:53:36 »
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Just let them use alternative energy sourcessources, or simply move elsewhere.
Circular argument - we were discussing the use of solar panels as construction materials.
By merely being cheaper, solar panels are beneficial even when the power they produce isn't used.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1401 on: 22/04/2024 16:06:55 »
Cheaper than slate, concrete, wood shingle or corrugated iron? I doubt it.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1402 on: 23/04/2024 13:06:57 »
Some exceptions are to be expected. There are places where woods or clay are abundant, and practically available for free.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1403 on: 23/04/2024 13:24:17 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/04/2024 13:31:40
Evolution requires at least 3 ingredients: random change, replication (i.e. non-random change), and natural selection. It directs the path to the existence of particular structures of matter in the future.
More conscious entities depend on more non-random changes, and depend on less random changes.
This generalized anthropic principle has already at work even before life emerged. By simply being a replicator, a physical/chemical structure increases the chance of its existence, as long as its environment can provide the ingredients. Genetics and memetics are additional layers of indirection that can improve the effectiveness of non-random changes to preserve some particular structures.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1404 on: 23/04/2024 13:28:52 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/04/2024 13:06:57
There are places where woods or clay are abundant, and practically available for free.


Almost anywhere that people live, in fact. And if there's no local clay, you can buy concrete or ceramic roof tiles from somewhere else instead of making them yourself. Likewise slate and wobbly tin. In fact corrugated steel is so cheap, so adaptable, so robust, and so easy to transport and erect, that the military are even considering using it for temporary buildings - whatever next???

I wasn't aware that solar panels delivered themselves.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1405 on: 30/04/2024 22:24:44 »
Incredible Discovery of an Entirely New Organelle That Fixes Nitrogen
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0:00 Complexity of life
0:40 Symbiosis and organelles
2:35 Another organelle from more recent times
3:30 Endosymbiotic theory
4:00 Nitrogen and plants
5:15 New organelle that fixes nitrogen
5:50 Strange organism that possesses this
8:00 Confirmations
8:40 Important organism overall
9:20 Using this for plants?
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1406 on: 30/04/2024 22:27:58 »
Incredible Discoveries About Viruses and Their Connection to Human Intelligence
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0:00 Viruses and our relationship to them
1:25 Early virus interaction and infections
3:00 Myelin and its viral origins
4:00 How it makes us big
5:10 Why it made us better
6:20 How other animals evolved a different solution
7:10 Multiple infections over time
7:45 Mammalian features that were formed by a virus
9:00 All of this starts really early
10:00 Prevents immune system to help us survive
11:00 Fetal development and viruses resembling HIV
12:10 Conclusions

These videos remind me that consciousness emerges in many different fronts. Something that seems useless or even harmful can be turned into something that's useful.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1407 on: 15/05/2024 14:59:24 »
LEV is inching closer! Rejuvenating mitochondria - Clinical Trials

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There are several clinical trials and research initiatives in Japan focused on drugs and therapies aimed at rejuvenating mitochondria. One notable example is the approval of Imeglimin, a first-in-class mitochondria-targeted reagent for type 2 diabetes, by a French biopharmaceutical company, Poxel SA. This drug has been approved for marketing in Japan as of 2021 and has shown favorable safety and tolerability[2]. Imeglimin targets mitochondrial function, which is crucial for its therapeutic effects in diabetes management, indirectly contributing to mitochondrial health.

Additionally, Japan is involved in various other clinical trials and research projects that explore mitochondrial rejuvenation through different mechanisms and diseases. For instance, the clinical trial registry and research initiatives often include studies on mitochondrial diseases and therapies that could potentially rejuvenate mitochondrial function. However, specific ongoing trials directly targeting mitochondrial rejuvenation in Japan were not detailed in the provided search results.

For a comprehensive understanding of all current mitochondrial rejuvenation drug trials in Japan, one would typically refer to databases like ClinicalTrials.gov or research publications from relevant Japanese research institutions and pharmaceutical companies. These sources would provide detailed information on the scope, stage, and findings of such trials.

With LEV is approaching, we will be forced to consider our terminal goals. And sooner or later, we must align with the universal terminal goal.

The effectiveness and efficiency of our lives will be evaluated by how much they support the continued existence of conscious entities into the future.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1408 on: 18/05/2024 12:26:03 »
Safety & Risk Management

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Scaremongers drive many to search frantically for something, anything that will make them feel safe, but safety isn't a thing you can buy - it's a feeling you have to build for yourself.
As an SIS engineer, watching this video feels like attending a refreshment training.

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"When something is important enough, you do it even if the odds are not in your favor" is a quote by Elon Musk
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1409 on: 18/05/2024 13:56:20 »
Survivorship Bias

We perceive our world and make decisions based on survivorship bias. Ultimately, we believe something because we think that it helped us or our ancestors survive, or it can help our successors to survive in the future.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1410 on: 20/05/2024 09:05:17 »
I asked Gemini: What's the similarities and differences between morality and economics
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Morality and economics, while seemingly distant fields, have some interesting overlaps and divergences. Here's a breakdown:

Similarities:

Decision-Making: Both involve making choices. In economics, it's about allocating resources efficiently. Morality is about choosing right from wrong actions.
Social Impact: Both aim to influence human behavior for the betterment of society. Economic policies aim to achieve prosperity and well-being. Moral codes promote fairness, justice, and cooperation.
Adam Smith's Invisible Hand: Even the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, believed economic self-interest could lead to an "invisible hand" guiding the market towards a good outcome, hinting at a moral undercurrent in economic forces.

Differences:

Focus: Economics deals with scarcity and resource allocation. Morality deals with right and wrong conduct.
Values: Economics prioritizes efficiency, utility, and growth. Morality emphasizes fairness, justice, and compassion.
Metrics: Economics uses data, models, and cost-benefit analysis. Morality relies on philosophical principles, cultural norms, and personal beliefs.

The Intersection:

Moral Economics: This field explores how moral values influence economic decisions and systems. For instance, fairness concerns might influence trade policies.
Economic Consequences of Immorality: Unethical business practices or environmental damage can have negative economic consequences.
Policy Debates: Economic policies often have moral implications. Debates on income inequality or wealth distribution involve both economic and moral considerations.
In conclusion, morality and economics are distinct fields, but they interact in shaping human behavior and societal well-being.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1411 on: 20/05/2024 17:19:02 »
Wrong. But what did you expect?
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1412 on: 21/05/2024 09:29:54 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 17:19:02
Wrong. But what did you expect?
Do you have a better answer?
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« Reply #1413 on: 21/05/2024 14:40:58 »
Now I have access to ChatGPT4
It says
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The concept of a "universal terminal goal" refers to an ultimate objective or end state that all rational agents would inherently pursue, regardless of their specific preferences, values, or circumstances. This idea is often discussed in the context of artificial intelligence, philosophy, and ethical theory. However, there is significant debate about whether such a universal terminal goal exists, and if so, what it might be.

Several candidates for a universal terminal goal have been proposed:

1. **Survival and Self-Preservation**: It is argued that any rational agent would inherently seek to ensure its own continued existence and ability to act. Without survival, no other goals can be pursued.

2. **Maximizing Happiness or Well-Being**: Some philosophical theories, such as utilitarianism, suggest that the ultimate goal could be to maximize overall happiness or well-being.

3. **Knowledge and Understanding**: Another possibility is that rational agents might universally seek to maximize their understanding and knowledge of the universe, as greater knowledge can potentially help achieve other goals.

4. **Fulfillment of Preferences**: Some theories posit that rational agents would aim to fulfill their own preferences or desires, whatever those may be.

5. **Alignment with Moral or Ethical Principles**: There is also the notion that rational agents might aim to align with certain moral or ethical principles that are considered universal, such as fairness, justice, or altruism.

In artificial intelligence, the idea of a universal terminal goal is particularly relevant in the design of safe and beneficial AI systems. Ensuring that AI systems have goals aligned with human values is a major area of research, often referred to as the alignment problem.

In conclusion, while the idea of a universal terminal goal is intriguing, it remains a topic of considerable debate and speculation, with no consensus on whether such a goal exists or what it would be.
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« Reply #1414 on: 22/05/2024 14:20:25 »
None of which can be universal. Very few species have a hive intellect, and life is essentially competitive.
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« Reply #1415 on: 22/05/2024 14:48:20 »
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None of which can be universal. Very few species have a hive intellect, and life is essentially competitive.
You failed to find the universal terminal goal because you failed to define goal in the first place.
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« Reply #1416 on: 22/05/2024 14:50:31 »
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What's the similarities and differences between morality and economics

?U.S. Gov. Can?t Go Bankrupt - We Print Our Own Money!? Says Biden?s Advisor
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Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein delivers a word salad on how the Fed works.
It's dangerous to let misinformed people affect decisions that would have significant impacts on larger society.
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« Reply #1417 on: 22/05/2024 23:25:33 »
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You failed to find the universal terminal goal because you failed to define goal in the first place.
Whatever goal I might choose, be sure that no pathogen, predator or antisemite would share it.
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« Reply #1418 on: 24/05/2024 16:50:55 »
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You failed to find the universal terminal goal because you failed to define goal in the first place.
Whatever goal I might choose, be sure that no pathogen, predator or antisemite would share it.
What is a goal?
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1419 on: 24/05/2024 17:23:17 »
Something I want to achieve, or want someone else (like Arsenal Football Club) to achieve. Other people want Spurs to achieve it, so it can't be universal.
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