[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

A guided man is more conscious than an unguided man,

So a slave, or a religious fanatic, is more conscious than Einstein? Progress comes from mavericks, not followers.

Do you think Einstein was unguided? Did he act randomly?
Why did you ignore misguidance?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Innovation and technological advancement are some ways to increase the consciousness level of the society.

As evidenced by current race riots in England. The old neofascist organisations, whose officers could be identified and prosecuted, have been replaced by unattributable antisocial media platforms.

At a less harmful level, a teacher friend was dismayed to find that 11-year-old children believe that milk comes from shops, not cows.

Misbeliefs predate scientific and technological advancement.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

How could we tell whether AI has become conscious?

In this video I explain what I think are the minimal necessary ingredients for consciousness and have a look at whether ChatGPT, or any other large language models are conscious already. I also explain why I think that robots necessarily have a limited amount of consciousness.

It's another attempt to define consciousness. It has many similarities with how I defined and described it, like non-binary property of consciousness, the importance of capability to distinguish between self and environment, and interface between inner and outer system. There are also differences, notably on the importance of goals, especially the terminal goal.

[alancalverd]

Instead of everyone attempting to define it, why don't people who care about such things just agree on any one definition and get on with their lives? It is of no consequence whether a system or a body has consciousness, however it is defined. What matters is what it does, and how people use it.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Instead of everyone attempting to define it, why don't people who care about such things just agree on any one definition and get on with their lives? It is of no consequence whether a system or a body has consciousness, however it is defined. What matters is what it does, and how people use it.

What it does in some particular circumstances depends on how conscious it is. Knowing its consciousness level help us predict its behaviorbehavior, which can be useful.

[alancalverd]

So consciousness equals predictability? Interesting definition, and rather surprising. I can predict the behavior of a rock with a very high degree of confidence, but not that of the cat sitting on it.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

So consciousness equals predictability? Interesting definition, and rather surprising. I can predict the behavior of a rock with a very high degree of confidence, but not that of the cat sitting on it.

You get it the wrong way. Entities with different conscious levels behave differently. Higher level of consciousness is correlated to the higher effectiveness and efficiency to achieve their goals. If you predict them to behave similarly, you'll get unexpected results.
To predict the behavior of highly conscious entities, it's better to identify their terminal goals.

[alancalverd]

Higher level of consciousness is correlated to the higher effectiveness and efficiency to achieve their goals.

The goal of a rock is to be a rock for as long as possible, and to stay exactly where it is (Galileo and Newton). Far more effective (many rocks have been here for millions of years) and efficient (no energy expended at all) than a cat.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Higher level of consciousness is correlated to the higher effectiveness and efficiency to achieve their goals.

The goal of a rock is to be a rock for as long as possible, and to stay exactly where it is (Galileo and Newton). Far more effective (many rocks have been here for millions of years) and efficient (no energy expended at all) than a cat.

An electron is better suited to be your example, according to how you defined goal.

I defined goal as pursued condition, which means it's a desired condition in the future which can be pursued. The probability to achieve it must be between 0 and 1, excluding 0 and 1.
To have a goal, an entity needs these components:
- imagination/virtualization of physical condition through space and time.
- preference for conditions.
- perception of the physical conditions to check whether or not the goal is achieved.
- actuation to alter physical conditions.
- causality model to predict the consequences of each possible action or inaction.

Those are components of consciousness, which is defined as the capacity to pursue goals. I've drawn the functional block diagram of consciousness in my video.

[alancalverd]

To have a goal, an entity needs these components:
- imagination/virtualization of physical condition through space and time.

You can't test this, even for a dog.

- preference for conditions.

a rock likes constant temperature and humidity

- perception of the physical conditions to check whether or not the goal is achieved.

people freeze  or drown from time to time: perception does not guarantee achievement of any goal

- actuation to alter physical conditions.

animals cannot alter the climate, which determines their food supply. Most animals (including quite a few humans) hunt or gather rather than farm their food, so are wholly dependent on a stable climate, just like a rock. Except the rock is more resilient. 

- causality model to predict the consequences of each possible action or inaction.

which excludes politicians, economists, and anyone whose business has failed.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You can't test this, even for a dog.

Yes we can, even for a mouse.

Individual and time-varying mechanisms of decision-making - Ilana Witten

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

people freeze  or drown from time to time: perception does not guarantee achievement of any goal

People also sleep regularly. At that time, their consciousness level drop.
If a condition is guaranteed to be achieved no matter what, it's no longer a goal, since it needs no pursuance at all.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

animals cannot alter the climate, which determines their food supply. Most animals (including quite a few humans) hunt or gather rather than farm their food, so are wholly dependent on a stable climate, just like a rock. Except the rock is more resilient. 

They can move to a more suitable environment. Some can change their metabolism to be more suitable with current environmental conditions.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

which excludes politicians, economists, and anyone whose business has failed.

Unexpected results come from false assumptions.

[alancalverd]

Individual and time-varying mechanisms of decision-making - Ilana Witten

If you look at videos of slime moulds "solving" a 2-D maze, you could credit the colony with imagination/virtualisation, or just accept that it relies entirely on trial and error. The latter is more likely since, lacking a birds-eye view or any historical data,  it has no concept of a maze anyway.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Individual and time-varying mechanisms of decision-making - Ilana Witten

If you look at videos of slime moulds "solving" a 2-D maze, you could credit the colony with imagination/virtualisation, or just accept that it relies entirely on trial and error. The latter is more likely since, lacking a birds-eye view or any historical data,  it has no concept of a maze anyway.

A simple version of virtualization must play some role here. Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Aphantasia: Why "Blind Imagination" Could Be the Key to Understanding Consciousness

People with aphantasia can't make mental images. This condition could be the key to understanding consciousness in the brain. Dr. Hakwan Lau explains how aphantasia can help researchers in the field solve a problem that undermines most consciousness research, how it is a real-world example of the "hard problem" of consciousness, and why Global Neuronal Workspace Theory might collapse if tested properly.

Corrections/clarifications:
 - People use different strategies for mental rotation, whether or not they have aphantasia. It's not always visual rotation of the image. Some people use more analytic strategies. For Hakwan 's hypothesis to be viable, there only needs to be a subset of aphantasic people who rotate images using unconscious mental imagery.

You can get Hakwan's book through this Amazon Affiliate link (I will get a small commission at no cost to you to support the channel)
In Consciousness we Trust: The Cognitive Neuroscience of Subjective Experience: https://amzn.to/3XytJEv

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction: Aphantasia Test
0:44 Mental Rotation and Consciousness Research
2:43 Defining Consciousness (The Right Way)
5:14 Aphantasia
8:31 Mental Rotation in Aphantasia
10:40 Bad Consciousness Research
11:23 Back to the Hard Problem
12:45 Testing Theories of Consciousness
15:06 Problems With Consciousness Research (Global Workspace Theory)

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Individual and time-varying mechanisms of decision-making - Ilana Witten

If you look at videos of slime moulds "solving" a 2-D maze, you could credit the colony with imagination/virtualisation, or just accept that it relies entirely on trial and error. The latter is more likely since, lacking a birds-eye view or any historical data,  it has no concept of a maze anyway.

A simple version of virtualization must play some role here. Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.

Some new cars have a parking assistant system which essentially converting images from multiple cameras around the car's body and show the 3D bird eye view of the car and its surrounding.

[alancalverd]

A simple version of virtualization must play some role here. Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.

No. The successful strand simply absorbs nutrient from the target and the others die. It's more a model of evolution (or capitalism) than of problem solving.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

A simple version of virtualization must play some role here. Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.

No. The successful strand simply absorbs nutrient from the target and the others die. It's more a model of evolution (or capitalism) than of problem solving.

The surviving strands represent where the nutrients are available. Representing something with something else is what virtualization does.