The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. On the Lighter Side
  3. New Theories
  4. Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: 1 ... 78 79 [80] 81 82 ... 101   Go Down

Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?

  • 2004 Replies
  • 701970 Views
  • 3 Tags

0 Members and 337 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1580 on: 11/08/2024 15:24:02 »
OpenAI expert Scott Aaronson on consciousness, quantum physics and AI safety | FULL INTERVIEW
Quote
Scott Aaronson delves into the nature of AI, and what threats it could pose, in this in-depth interview.

Is seeming to understand the same as understanding?

AI and ChatGPT have made extraordinary progress in recent years. But what are we to make of such progress? In this interview, world-renowned quantum computing expert Scott Aaronson discusses AI safety, quantum mechanics, and what makes human experience unique.

00:00 Introduction
00:22 Are we suffering from an optimistic induction in the case of AI?
04:53 What do you think about AI skepticism?
07:30 Is seeming to understand the same as understanding?
10:00 What differentiates humans from machines?
15:20 Why do you think quantum mechanics lies at the basis of human uniqueness?
19:19 Why continue developing AI, if it risks catastrophe?
25:12 What should our focus be, in AI safety?
27:32 Is there evidence that AI, in its current form, is trying to manipulate us?


Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 



Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1581 on: 11/08/2024 17:24:14 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/08/2024 15:21:28
The surviving strands represent where the nutrients are available.
Like those who philosophise about wave/particle duality, you need to understand the difference between "represents" and "is".
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/08/2024 12:06:14
Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.
They do. Just like humans and computers.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1582 on: 12/08/2024 11:25:34 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 11/08/2024 17:24:14
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/08/2024 15:21:28
The surviving strands represent where the nutrients are available.
Like those who philosophise about wave/particle duality, you need to understand the difference between "represents" and "is".
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/08/2024 12:06:14
Otherwise it will repeat the errors over and over again.
They do. Just like humans and computers.
Without representation, there is no virtualization, hence no consciousness.
The error rates are inversely correlated to the system's level of consciousness.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1583 on: 15/08/2024 12:17:43 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/08/2024 15:21:28
The surviving strands represent where the nutrients are available. Representing something with something else is what virtualization does.

A Brain-Inspired Algorithm For Memory
Quote
In this video we will explore the concept of Hopfield networks ? a foundational model of associative memory that underlies many important ideas in neuroscience and machine learning, such as Boltzmann machines and Dense associative memory.
OUTLINE:
00:00 Introduction
02:17 Protein folding paradox
04:23 Energy definition
08:25 Hopfield network architecture
14:03 Inference
18:40 Learning
22:48 Limitations & Perspective
24:43 Shortform
25:54 Outro

References:
1) Downing, K.L., 2023. Gradient expectations: structure, origins, and synthesis of predictive neural networks. The MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1584 on: 15/08/2024 13:00:45 »
Sam Altman gave out $108M for this experiment
Quote
Study on universal basic income (UBI) by OpenResearch. If you give people $1000/month, what happens?

0:00 What is UBI
1:48 Study design
3:20 Spending
4:05 Employment and education
7:02 Healthcare
10:20 Finance, planning, moving
11:23 Independence and starting a business
15:55 Family, relationships, mental health
18:16 Individual stories
19:12 Caveats and implications
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 



Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1585 on: 19/08/2024 13:28:08 »
The SHOCKING Truth About UNIVERSAL Basic INCOME? | Dr Bret Weinstein
Some comments.
Quote
I was traveling around China 15 years ago. They were harvesting rice in Yunan province. Cut by hand, tied in bundles to dry, then threshed either by hand or small machines that they moved by hand around the fields. I asked why they don't just buy a combined harvester to save all that labour. The answer was that if they sat around doing nothing, they'd just cause trouble, so give them something to do that is useful.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1586 on: 19/08/2024 13:44:32 »
If you want to buy a small rice harvester, a quick internet search shows that they are all made in China.

Problem with a combine harvester is the difficulty of moving it on poor roads, or harvesting uneven or steeply sloping fields.

One advantage of a UBI is a potential massive simplification of the tax system. Abolish all avoidable taxes like income tax, corporation tax, etc., increase VAT to about 40%, then give every adult about ?5000 per year to offset the VAT on essentials.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1587 on: 19/08/2024 15:24:29 »
Mutiny In China: Young Chinese are Threatening CCP's Rule
Quote
China's Youth Crisis: How Young Chinese are Threatening CCP's Rule?
It's important not to kill people's hope.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1588 on: 19/08/2024 15:36:02 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/08/2024 13:28:08
The answer was that if they sat around doing nothing, they'd just cause trouble, so give them something to do that is useful.
A free market capitalism is supposed to tell what is needed the most by the society at any particular time and place by the cost of products and services there. It creates incentives to provide them, and the system becomes self organized.
But when the market isn't adequately free, there's a risk of market manipulation which causes inefficiency and ineffectiveness. They can lead to the collapse of the society.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 



Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1589 on: 20/08/2024 05:45:05 »
I'm an accelerationist

Quote
The obstacle is the way.

Some interesting comments.
Quote
Acceleration is the ultimate defense against those who want to slow it down to give them time to have complete control.

Same here acceleration and open source all the way. AI should be the largest democratizing event in history.

I describe myself as an accelerationist without being an anarchist. Pushing hard, but watching all the gauges and dials. Advancing, but also listening. Learning, but also reflecting. Not only to instill some caution, but also because I think doing so will lead to better AI.

"Science has provided the possibility of liberation for human beings from hard labor, but science itself is not a liberator. It creates means, not goals. Man should use [science] for reasonable goals. When the ideals of humanity are war and conquest, those tools become as dangerous as a razor in the hands of a child of three."   -Albert Einstein

"If you're swimming against the current, you're not paying attention to what's downstream." One of the best comments I've heard in favor of accelerationism.
Going slowly might be the safest or maybe even the best option, but it's just not going to happen. You can't put the AI genie back in the bottle, so we'd better understand and deal with the genie we have unleashed as rapidly as we can.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1590 on: 20/08/2024 11:11:15 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/08/2024 15:36:02
free market capitalism is supposed to tell what is needed the most by the society at any particular time and place by the cost of products and services there.
It isn't supposed to do anything, but to allow pretty much everything.
The need for pharmaceuticals and gasoline is pretty much the same in the USA and the UK, but drugs cost a hell of a lot more in the USA, and gasoline a hell of a lot less.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1591 on: 20/08/2024 17:29:59 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/08/2024 11:11:15
It isn't supposed to do anything, but to allow pretty much everything.
Are theft, fraud, and scam included?
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1592 on: 20/08/2024 19:13:49 »
"Pretty much" excludes anything that might hurt the rich.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 



Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1593 on: 21/08/2024 05:47:43 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/08/2024 19:13:49
"Pretty much" excludes anything that might hurt the rich.
It's not surprising that capitalism tends to increase economic inequality.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1594 on: 21/08/2024 08:33:21 »
At last, you agree with the bloody obvious! Welcome to the real world, my friend!
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1595 on: 21/08/2024 12:52:56 »
The $6.4T Stock Drop - Why Is Everything Down?
Quote
00:00 - The Global Stock Crash
02:06 - What's Causing the Drop?
02:50 - 1: Fed Rate Decision
04:39 - 2: Labour Data
06:49 - 3: Japanese Carry Trade
10:14 - How Markets Are Reacting
11:18 - Why You Shouldn't Try Timing the Crash
13:58 - Closing Thoughts

Global Stock Markets saw a sizeable drop over the past weekend, with $6.4T being wiped out. Today's video will explain the proposed reasons behind the sell-off.
The basic premise of investment is to spend excess resources now to generate more resources in the future.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1596 on: 21/08/2024 15:17:11 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/08/2024 12:52:56
Today's video will explain the proposed reasons behind the sell-off.
People sell stocks because they want to buy something else with the money, or because they think the price will decrease in the future. Bloody obvious.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 



Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1597 on: 22/08/2024 11:44:56 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 21/08/2024 15:17:11
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/08/2024 12:52:56
Today's video will explain the proposed reasons behind the sell-off.
People sell stocks because they want to buy something else with the money, or because they think the price will decrease in the future. Bloody obvious.
What's still questionable is how they need more money at the same time, or conclude that the price is going to drop.
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21155
  • Activity:
    72.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1598 on: 22/08/2024 14:04:46 »
Individual bank failure or company collapse will lead to specific sales as folk try to minimise their losses. The difference is that politicians (parasites) will bail out the banks (parasites) at the expense of the taxpayer, so only the poor suffer, whereas if a legitimate company fails, the shareholders (the rich) lose their money.

But major across-the-board shifts in stock market indices depend on a nebulous "confidence"  in the future of several very large industry sectors, which can be affected by crop failure, war, or the election of a vegetable to high office.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline hamdani yusuf (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 11803
  • Activity:
    89.5%
  • Thanked: 285 times
Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1599 on: 24/08/2024 12:47:52 »
Steelmanning the "Doomer" Argument: How Uncontrollable Super Intelligence (USI) could kill everyone
Quote
00:00 - Steelmanning the Doomer Argument
07:40 - Bioweapons
10:01 - Terminal Race Condition
13:12 - Window of Conflict
15:33 - Humanity as Moral Bad
18:10 - Machine Wars
20:29 - Cyberpunk Hellscape
21:48 - Conclusion & Recap
Logged
Unexpected results come from false assumptions.
 



  • Print
Pages: 1 ... 78 79 [80] 81 82 ... 101   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags: philosophy  / life  / goals 
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.745 seconds with 70 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.