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How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« on: 16/09/2017 21:18:29 »
Strange, but there are only five quantitative things in the world.
Quantitative things are measured, and all science is based on them.
And what is this about?
The length, the surface, the volume, the time, and the energy.
Could it be that all science is based on 5 quantitative things?
To be sure, the material is not quantitative.
The material is a physical form, similar to a geometric shape.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #1 on: 16/09/2017 22:01:38 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 16/09/2017 21:18:29
Strange, but there are only five quantitative things in the world.
Quantitative things are measured, and all science is based on them.
And what is this about?
The length, the surface, the volume, the time, and the energy.
Could it be that all science is based on 5 quantitative things?
To be sure, the material is not quantitative.
The material is a physical form, similar to a geometric shape.

Why do you post  this sort of nonsense?
If you had done the research better you would, at least, have spotted that gravity and  electricity in all it's variations aren't covered in your "five things".
Better research would have got you a bit further- you would have found out about the nuclear forces.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #2 on: 16/09/2017 22:30:41 »
Gravity is energy, electricity is energy, and nuclear power is energy.
The energy of gravity is special.
An apple grows at the edge of a branch, bends the branch, and a bent branch contains a quantity of energy.
This is passive energy that does not participate in the conservation law.
Kg is the amount of passive energy
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #3 on: 16/09/2017 22:51:41 »
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This is passive energy that does not participate in the conservation law.

Do you distinguish between "passive energy" and "potential energy"?

Why would you say it does not participate in the conservation law?
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #4 on: 16/09/2017 23:04:21 »
There is a single passive energy, and many kinds of active energy.
Active energy is a type of movement that can become an active energy type.
Active energy of an electrical type can become active energy such as heat or cold.
Heat energy can be transformed into electrical energy
The types of energy active, comply with the law of conservation.
Passive energy does not participate in the conservation law.
Passive energy simply appears and disappears.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #5 on: 17/09/2017 01:26:33 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 16/09/2017 21:18:29
Strange, but there are only five quantitative things in the world.
Quantitative things are measured, and all science is based on them.
And what is this about?
The length, the surface, the volume, the time, and the energy.
Could it be that all science is based on 5 quantitative things?
To be sure, the material is not quantitative.
The material is a physical form, similar to a geometric shape.

Is this not the 4 dimensions of energy ? XYZT E=mc2
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #6 on: 17/09/2017 10:57:16 »
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length, the surface, the volume
In the metric system, these are all based on the units of length (m=meters).
Surface Area has units of m2.
Volume has units of m3
So, in a sense, these are very similar things to be measuring as your "five quantitative things in the world".

The metric system  certainly has meters (length) and second (time) as basic units. But it also has:
- Kilogram (mass)
- Kelvin (temperature)
- Ampere (electrical current)
- Candela (luminosity)

It does not use the Joule (Energy) as a basic unit, but derives it from the others as kg·m2·s−2.
- It also adds a lot of other derived units that are useful in various fields, such as Watts (Power), Hertz (frequency) and Newtons (Force), which are all quantifiable. Others, like velocity (m/s) are also useful and quantifiable, but don't have an explicit name for their units.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#Base_units
« Last Edit: 17/09/2017 11:06:12 by evan_au »
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #7 on: 17/09/2017 11:27:50 »
All the units that you mentioned stem from the group of five.
A person has a natural ability to observe the amount of length, or the amount of space, or the amount of volume.
A person has a natural ability to observe the amount of time that appears between two heart beats,
Or the amount of energy that appears as a result of tiring muscle activity.
Man can choose the largest volume watermelon, but he can not choose the watermelon with the large amount of material.
Therefore, the material is not quantitative.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #8 on: 17/09/2017 16:13:52 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 17/09/2017 11:27:50
All the units that you mentioned stem from the group of five.
A person has a natural ability to observe the amount of length, or the amount of space, or the amount of volume.
A person has a natural ability to observe the amount of time that appears between two heart beats,
Or the amount of energy that appears as a result of tiring muscle activity.
Man can choose the largest volume watermelon, but he can not choose the watermelon with the large amount of material.
Therefore, the material is not quantitative.

Do you think that what you are saying here is, in some way , helpful?
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #9 on: 17/09/2017 16:51:37 »
Do you know more "thing of quantity" except length, area, volume, time and energy?
To the best of my understanding, there is no more.
It's a wonder ... The real world is made up of the group of five.
This is a scientific group because it is measured.
Is this information useful? You decide.
This information negates gravity because the material is not quantitative.
Explanations about the structure of the universe must change.
Is this helpful? You decide
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #10 on: 17/09/2017 17:37:30 »
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Man can choose the largest volume watermelon, but he can not choose the watermelon with the large amount of material.
Method:
- Pick up watermelon A in left hand.
- Pick up watermelon B in right hand.
- Gently heft both watermelons
- Pick the one that exerts the greatest force

This is how you pick the watermelon with the greatest mass (amount of matter).
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #11 on: 17/09/2017 18:04:58 »
The method you presented is correct, but it chooses the watermelon with the greatest amount of passive energy.
If we raise a watermelon with a spring, the taut spring will show the passive energy of the watermelon.
You say what Newton said
The amount of passive energy reflects the amount of watermelon.
And how do you know that the material is quantitative? After all, man has no natural knowledge of the quantity of matter.
Newton invented the term "quantity of matter" but there is no such thing.
There is no material gauge in the world
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #12 on: 17/09/2017 18:18:58 »
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Do you distinguish between "passive energy" and "potential energy"?

Why would you say it does not participate in the conservation law?

Quote from: Aetzbar
There is a single passive energy, and many kinds of active energy.
Active energy is a type of movement that can become an active energy type.
Active energy of an electrical type can become active energy such as heat or cold.
Heat energy can be transformed into electrical energy
The types of energy active, comply with the law of conservation.
Passive energy does not participate in the conservation law.
Passive energy simply appears and disappears.


This doesn’t really answer either of my questions.  As far as I can see, it just makes dogmatic assertions without any rationale.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #13 on: 17/09/2017 18:35:37 »
Passive energy is a phenomenon of reality.
An apple grows at the edge of a branch, bending the branch.
If you bend the branch in tiring muscle activity, there is energy conservation here.
When the apple bends the branch, there is no energy conservation here.
When the apple falls, the energy stored in the bent branch will simply disappear.
Potential energy, participates in the Conservation Law.
In a tiring muscle operation, raise a watermelon to a height of 1 meter.
When the watermelon falls, it will return the energy by hitting the ground
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
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Passive energy is a phenomenon of reality.
I’m willing to accept that there may be definitions of passive energy  other than that associated with solar heating systems, but perhaps you could be more specific?

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An apple grows at the edge of a branch, bending the branch.
If you bend the branch in tiring muscle activity, there is energy conservation here.
When the apple bends the branch, there is no energy conservation here.
One of us doesn’t understand the energy exchanges involved in gravity pulling the apple downward, and the flexed branch balancing that.  I’m quite prepared to accept that I have it ar*e about face, but please show me how.
 
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When the apple falls, the energy stored in the bent branch will simply disappear.
Magic?  Or does it play some part in returning the branch to the position it should occupy without the apple?

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Potential energy, participates in the Conservation Law.
In a tiring muscle operation, raise a watermelon to a height of 1 meter.
When the watermelon falls, it will return the energy by hitting the ground
How does this differ from the branch “springing up” when the apple falls
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #15 on: 17/09/2017 20:52:30 »
Passive energy is an amazing phenomenon in physical reality.
The rock "sits strong" on earth because it produces a large amount of passive energy.
The apple bends the branch, using the passive energy it produces.
Passive energy does not change with other energy.
Newton decided that the passive energy of the apple is created from external energy supply, but the conservation law refutes the Newtonian idea. The concept of energy did not exist at Newton's time.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #16 on: 17/09/2017 21:05:32 »
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Passive energy is an amazing phenomenon in physical reality.
So you keep telling us.

“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
   What I tell you three times is true."     Lewis Carroll

This may do for the Bellman and his crew, but it’s not science
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #17 on: 17/09/2017 21:25:39 »
Enough to say once, and to attach to words a concrete act of measurement.
Measurement makes words into the world of science.
Passive energy of oranges is measured using a spring that is stretched.
The weight of a real body is the amount of its passive energy.
The Earth is not an energy supplier.
The bodies produce their passive energy on their own.
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #18 on: 17/09/2017 21:48:52 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 17/09/2017 21:25:39
Enough to say once, and to attach to words a concrete act of measurement.
OK, so show us the measurement that proves that you are right and everyone else on the planet is wrong.
What did you measure, how, and how does it show that we are all wrong?
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Re: How physical reality was created from 5 quantitative things
« Reply #19 on: 17/09/2017 22:18:37 »
If you run at a constant acceleration, and pull a cart through a tight spring, your muscle energy becomes the movement of the cart. (The tense spring is only a measure of acceleration)
If a body falls at a constant acceleration, who supplies it with energy?
According to Newton the Earth provides him with energy, and the law of conservation of energy does not exist.
In my view, the body provides the energy of the movement of the fall, just as the body provides itself with its passive energy.
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