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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #40 on: 28/09/2017 19:35:56 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 27/09/2017 22:07:18
Chemist, what has not been made got to do with anything? You don't have to actually build it to apply for patent.
If it's never made, it's not useful. If it's not useful, what do you want credit for?
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #41 on: 28/09/2017 20:59:01 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/09/2017 19:35:56
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 27/09/2017 22:07:18
Chemist, what has not been made got to do with anything? You don't have to actually build it to apply for patent.
If it's never made, it's not useful. If it's not useful, what do you want credit for?

How can you not give me credit for 50 inventions that can be built?
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?

Yea, I'm sure Newton had doubters and Einstein is seen as so bloody clever...but never traveled in space.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #42 on: 29/09/2017 06:02:29 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 28/09/2017 20:59:01
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/09/2017 19:35:56
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 27/09/2017 22:07:18
Chemist, what has not been made got to do with anything? You don't have to actually build it to apply for patent.
If it's never made, it's not useful. If it's not useful, what do you want credit for?

How can you not give me credit for 50 inventions that can be built?
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?

Yea, I'm sure Newton had doubters and Einstein is seen as so bloody clever...but never traveled in space.


Think of the pain in those words, what type of life are you trying to give people because your posts history to just about everyone is the same, disturbing. For 10 years you're like this, are you retarded?

I'm official naming you "Bastard of the Internet", you should be exposed.
When you see a flower, do you appreciate others that have seen a flower too? Or do you kick it's head off?
Have you ever seen a leaf fall from a tree? When I checked I saw 2. I came up with that,
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #43 on: 29/09/2017 06:56:49 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 28/09/2017 20:59:01
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?

According to known physics, no ship can reach the speed of light at all, much less in 35 days. So how does your engine work?
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #44 on: 29/09/2017 07:31:11 »
Here's my Overbridge:
Roundabouts too.


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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #45 on: 29/09/2017 07:43:57 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 29/09/2017 06:56:49
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 28/09/2017 20:59:01
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?

According to known physics, no ship can reach the speed of light at all, much less in 35 days. So how does your engine work?

How is it "known?"
If objects don't slow down in space, what's preventing them from speeding up? Wouldn't it make the object slow down?
Light can, so why can't us?

A clock traveling in space slows down, that may happen but does not mean time for the universe slowed down, it is just a physical thing. Would the person holding the clock get more done? No.
If speeding up means you slow down then you wouldn't move at all. You can speed up...
So traveling in space does not take long, isn't that a good thing?
OK, the idea is if you travel at the speed of light time for you stops. Is that true though? What if you go faster than the speed of light and time speeds up? 1 hour you time will be 1 minute universe time, and you get a lot done.

If you are completely still in space, does your time go at infinity? Does that mean the universe time stops?

Should I test traveling to and beyond the speed of light with an automated ship?

So my ship on earth oscillates at 10 hz. And at the speed of light it would be 0 hz. What is the curve? Linear, exponential or something else?
The problem with exponential is it's a math formula invented by man and how can it apply to the real universe?
1
1 * 2 = 2
2 * 2 = 4
4  * 2 = 8
8 * 2 = 16
Now other than that math, give me something else that will create the same results.

I'm not doing all the work here because I need a crew.
What is universe time compared to earth?
What is my ships oscillation speed at half speed of light? If it changes? If the clock slows down then presuming it does too. At the speed of light it stops all together but hits a speck of dust and slows down a bit and does the engine continue with it's full momentum or ? Will it need a reset motor? And how long will that take?
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #46 on: 29/09/2017 15:14:58 »
Going along with my Grass to Soil to Stone and adding in Asbestos, I'm guessing something serious happened or grew.
Image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

How about Quartz?

Image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate_minerals
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #47 on: 29/09/2017 16:49:41 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 29/09/2017 07:43:57
How is it "known?"

Even in particle accelerators we can't get particles with mass all the way up to the speed of light. It's in perfect accordance with special relativity.

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If objects don't slow down in space, what's preventing them from speeding up? Wouldn't it make the object slow down?

You can speed up, sure. However, it becomes increasingly difficult to increase your speed as you near the speed of light because your mass increases. Your mass approaches infinity as your speed approaches that of light. That's why you can never put enough kinetic energy into your ship to reach the speed of light.

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Light can, so why can't us?

Unlike a spaceship, light doesn't have mass.

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A clock traveling in space slows down, that may happen but does not mean time for the universe slowed down, it is just a physical thing. Would the person holding the clock get more done? No.
If speeding up means you slow down then you wouldn't move at all. You can speed up...
So traveling in space does not take long, isn't that a good thing?
OK, the idea is if you travel at the speed of light time for you stops. Is that true though? What if you go faster than the speed of light and time speeds up? 1 hour you time will be 1 minute universe time, and you get a lot done.

If you are completely still in space, does your time go at infinity? Does that mean the universe time stops?

Should I test traveling to and beyond the speed of light with an automated ship?

So my ship on earth oscillates at 10 hz. And at the speed of light it would be 0 hz. What is the curve? Linear, exponential or something else?
The problem with exponential is it's a math formula invented by man and how can it apply to the real universe?
1
1 * 2 = 2
2 * 2 = 4
4  * 2 = 8
8 * 2 = 16
Now other than that math, give me something else that will create the same results.

I'm not doing all the work here because I need a crew.
What is universe time compared to earth?
What is my ships oscillation speed at half speed of light? If it changes? If the clock slows down then presuming it does too. At the speed of light it stops all together but hits a speck of dust and slows down a bit and does the engine continue with it's full momentum or ? Will it need a reset motor? And how long will that take?

In all of that, I didn't see a description of how your engine works.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #48 on: 29/09/2017 19:08:02 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 28/09/2017 20:59:01
How can you not give me credit for 50 inventions that can be built?
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?
You need to show that they can be built.
Since light speed for any ship is impossible I think we can probably ignore the other 49- unless one of them was coloured tread indicators for tyres in which case we can ignore 48 and point out that you didn't invent one.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #49 on: 29/09/2017 20:57:37 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 29/09/2017 16:49:41
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 29/09/2017 07:43:57
How is it "known?"

Even in particle accelerators we can't get particles with mass all the way up to the speed of light. It's in perfect accordance with special relativity.

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If objects don't slow down in space, what's preventing them from speeding up? Wouldn't it make the object slow down?

You can speed up, sure. However, it becomes increasingly difficult to increase your speed as you near the speed of light because your mass increases. Your mass approaches infinity as your speed approaches that of light. That's why you can never put enough kinetic energy into your ship to reach the speed of light.

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Light can, so why can't us?

Unlike a spaceship, light doesn't have mass.

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A clock traveling in space slows down, that may happen but does not mean time for the universe slowed down, it is just a physical thing. Would the person holding the clock get more done? No.
If speeding up means you slow down then you wouldn't move at all. You can speed up...
So traveling in space does not take long, isn't that a good thing?
OK, the idea is if you travel at the speed of light time for you stops. Is that true though? What if you go faster than the speed of light and time speeds up? 1 hour you time will be 1 minute universe time, and you get a lot done.

If you are completely still in space, does your time go at infinity? Does that mean the universe time stops?

Should I test traveling to and beyond the speed of light with an automated ship?

So my ship on earth oscillates at 10 hz. And at the speed of light it would be 0 hz. What is the curve? Linear, exponential or something else?
The problem with exponential is it's a math formula invented by man and how can it apply to the real universe?
1
1 * 2 = 2
2 * 2 = 4
4  * 2 = 8
8 * 2 = 16
Now other than that math, give me something else that will create the same results.

I'm not doing all the work here because I need a crew.
What is universe time compared to earth?
What is my ships oscillation speed at half speed of light? If it changes? If the clock slows down then presuming it does too. At the speed of light it stops all together but hits a speck of dust and slows down a bit and does the engine continue with it's full momentum or ? Will it need a reset motor? And how long will that take?

In all of that, I didn't see a description of how your engine works.

Thank's for the info, ill look it up and ill not give up. :)
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #50 on: 29/09/2017 20:58:32 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/09/2017 19:08:02
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 28/09/2017 20:59:01
How can you not give me credit for 50 inventions that can be built?
Light speed in 35 days.
Where is any of my math is wrong?
You need to show that they can be built.
Since light speed for any ship is impossible I think we can probably ignore the other 49- unless one of them was coloured tread indicators for tyres in which case we can ignore 48 and point out that you didn't invent one.

There not difficult to build.
Your glowing with arrogance. But you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree and possibly a fairy.
Face to face I would probably wind you up until the spring breaks.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #51 on: 29/09/2017 21:45:38 »
Particle accelerators are the closest things we have to time machines, according to Stephen Hawking.

In 2010, physicist Stephen Hawking wrote an article for the UK paper the Daily Mail explaining how it might be possible to travel through time. We would just need a particle accelerator large enough to accelerate humans the way we accelerate particles, he said.

A person-accelerator with the capabilities of the Large Hadron Collider would move its passengers at close to the speed of light. Because of the effects of special relativity, a period of time that would appear to someone outside the machine to last several years would seem to the accelerating passengers to last only a few days. By the time they stepped off the LHC ride, they would be younger than the rest of us.
Hawking wasn’t actually proposing we try to build such a machine. But he was pointing out a way that time travel already happens today. For example, particles called pi mesons are normally short-lived; they disintegrate after mere millionths of a second. But when they are accelerated to nearly the speed of light, their lifetimes expand dramatically. It seems that these particles are traveling in time, or at least experiencing time more slowly relative to other particles.

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/april-2014/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-particle-accelerators

Hold on tight because the blood would flow to the back of the body and you're brain would die...

So my MOID(MagneticOsscilatingImpactDrive) will come with turning seats and artificial gravity spin too.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #52 on: 29/09/2017 22:30:55 »
I have though of the idea that particles spin, so if accelerated to speed of light do they spin more slowly and thus lose mass? Yes I know said have no mass, so do they become -mass?

Theres's a very thin chance inside atoms, there spinning. Having idea of turning my ship horizontally and turning the ship vertically too "may" slow down the spin and allow speed of light travel. Have to think about it.
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« Reply #53 on: 29/09/2017 22:37:14 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 29/09/2017 20:58:32
Your glowing with arrogance. But you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree and possibly a fairy.
Face to face I would probably wind you up until the spring breaks.

Please don't resort to ad hominem.

Quote from: paulggriffiths on 29/09/2017 22:30:55
I have though of the idea that particles spin, so if accelerated to speed of light do they spin more slowly and thus lose mass? Yes I know said have no mass, so do they become -mass?

They don't literally spin in the same sense that a top spins. It's only an analogy. If I'm not mistaken, the concept of spin has more to do with the particle's symmetry. Unfortunately, what spin means exactly in the quantum realm isn't something I've ever fully understood.
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« Reply #54 on: 29/09/2017 22:51:05 »
Bored Chemist, I'm having the idea of you not liking me invent but not produce the products. I'm not as bad as people who buy patents and not produce the products. I'm trying to reduce man made global warming and make an SS Enterprise.
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Re: Why the Sun at noon is appears above our heads? Curved journey To Mars?
« Reply #55 on: 30/09/2017 00:10:32 »
E=MC2

If I fire a 10 gram object at 1 meter a second at a 10 gram pendulum it will swing to X distance.
Fire 10 gram object at 2 meters a second will swing at X?

I'm presuming a test like this was performed? Any info?
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« Reply #56 on: 30/09/2017 05:35:01 »
Quote from: paulggriffiths on 30/09/2017 00:10:32
E=MC2

If I fire a 10 gram object at 1 meter a second at a 10 gram pendulum it will swing to X distance.
Fire 10 gram object at 2 meters a second will swing at X?

I'm presuming a test like this was performed? Any info?


I don't know if anyone has actually tested that in physical form, but you can make a prediction of what would likely happen based on existing equations. An object weighing 10 grams travelling at 1 meter per second would have a kinetic energy value of 0.005 joules. Under perfect circumstances, where that energy is not lost due to air friction and can be transferred to the pendulum at 100% efficiency, the pendulum itself would move at a speed of 1 meter per second as well.

At best, a 10-gram object can be raised about 5.1 centimeters in height (under Earth's surface gravity) by applying 0,005 joules to it. If the pendulum is appropriately designed (i.e., it's arm is long enough to reach such a height and losses are ignored), that is how high it would move. I think. I don't know if things work differently for curved trajectories or not. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, if my assumptions are correct, then firing the object at 2 meters per second would result in a maximum possible height of 20.4 centimeters. Here are some useful calculators: http://www.csgnetwork.com/kineticenergycalc.html and https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/gravitational-potential.php

EDIT: I found a pendulum calculator, and it seems that my original calculations do indeed stand up: http://www.endmemo.com/physics/spendulum.php
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« Reply #57 on: 30/09/2017 06:39:42 »
Thanks Kryptid, problem though, as the pendulum itself is moving it will experience a change in weight too.

Truth is probably easier to test my MOID for light speed travel than worry about it.
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« Reply #58 on: 30/09/2017 06:55:39 »
My MOID works on impact so as speed increases and experiances time change and mass increase it will become more powerful and not slow down? Will it pull in the universe?

11th commandment, thou shell not use a MOID.
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« Reply #59 on: 30/09/2017 07:27:52 »
Big bang theory, atoms formed, gravity was produced. Some collided and energy was transferred thus some gained more speed...

So, within the gravity of a collection of other masses, masses either speed up or slow down. Outside they speed up? At speed their energy/mass/momentum increases....?

Bit like sound barrier. Don't use a MOID at high speed close to stars and planets.
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