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How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« on: 29/10/2017 18:33:35 »
How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2

Time - which appears as active time and passive time
Energy - which appears as active energy and passive energy.

Passive energy does not participate in the energy conservation law
Active energy (with its many performances) also participates in the conservation law.

The material that exists in the world is created by the merging of passive time and energy.
Passive time explains all electrical phenomena.
Science does not know passive time yet.
patience.
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #1 on: 29/10/2017 19:58:10 »
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How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
How about length, mass, electrical current, temperature, moles and luminosity?

...and then you could add angles, frequency, force, inductance, radioactivity, etc, etc.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#Base_units
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #2 on: 29/10/2017 20:11:53 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 29/10/2017 18:33:35
How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2

Time - which appears as active time and passive time
Energy - which appears as active energy and passive energy.

Let me just check on something here
"How many..."
"Only 2"

OK now, lets just pause and count them
1 "active time"
2 "passive time"
3 "active energy"
4 "passive energy"

Do you think that your inability to count may hinder acceptance of your strange ideas?

Also "Passive energy does not participate in the energy conservation law".
Then it's not really energy is it?

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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #3 on: 29/10/2017 20:17:01 »
The hallmark of a "quantitative thing" is its measurement
You are right that length is "quantitative" but is geometric rather than physical.
If you try to measure, mass, electric current, inspiration, radioactivity, light, temperature, power, and so on, always measure energy (passive or active)
If you try to measure frequency, you measure time.
Try to imagine all the physical measurements you know, and you'll come to the conclusion that measures, or time or energy
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #4 on: 29/10/2017 20:19:52 »
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inspiration

Passive or active inspiration? Well, that's a new one!
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #5 on: 29/10/2017 20:24:13 »
Time and energy are the "two quantitative physical things"
Time has an active appearance and a passive appearance.
Energy has an active appearance and a passive appearance.

Length, area, and volume, are "the three quantitative geometric things"

The material is not a quantitative physical matter.
The material is a physical form, created by the fusion of energy and passive time.
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #6 on: 29/10/2017 20:27:05 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 29/10/2017 20:17:01
Try to imagine all the physical measurements you know, and you'll come to the conclusion that measures, or time or energy
No
For example, when I imagined measuring mass, I realise I was measuring mass.
The same was true for lots of thing, like momentum, viscosity, thermal conductivity, power, current, capacitance, refractive index, fugacity voltage, thermal diffusivity...
well- everything except time and energy.
Why do you think that you are somehow miraculously right and the whole of the world is wrong?
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #7 on: 29/10/2017 20:27:37 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 29/10/2017 20:24:13
Time has an active appearance and a passive appearance.
Energy has an active appearance and a passive appearance.

Only to you.
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #8 on: 29/10/2017 20:47:16 »
You must ignore what you "understand you are measuring" and focus only on what you really measure.
When you measure mass (according to your understanding), you measure the elongation of a spring.
When you measure current (according to your understanding), you measure a twist of spring.
Power measurement is a double measurement of the amount of energy and the amount of time.
Any physical measuring instrument will measure or energy or time.
Any geometric instrument will measure, length, or area, or volume
The scale and scales measure ratio numbers
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #9 on: 29/10/2017 22:23:53 »
Quote from: aetzbar on 29/10/2017 20:47:16
When you measure mass (according to your understanding), you measure the elongation of a spring.
No, I don't- well, not often. Usually I measure the current through an electromagnet.
Sometimes I measure the radius of curvature of a path through a cloud chamber.
Sometimes I measure the ratio of the DC to AC fields in an electric quadrupole.
Sometimes I measure the variation in frequency of an oscillating quartz crystal.
And they all agree.
And that's because I'm always measuring the same thing.
And it's mass- whether you like it or not.
Similarly
"When you measure current (according to your understanding), you measure a twist of spring."
No I don't and
"Power measurement is a double measurement of the amount of energy and the amount of time."
Not always.

Don't you think you should learn how science actually measures these things before pretending that you understand them?
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #10 on: 30/10/2017 00:07:08 »
Physical Action (PA)
Heartbeat is PA
Electric pulse is PA
All changes that occur in physical reality are PA
Constant changes do not exist in physical reality
The pulse of light is PA

Each PA is evident in the amount of energy and in the amount of time
You can choose many names for PA, but it will always be energy and time.

Energy and time are measured, and that is all that can be measured.

There are 5 things in our world that are measured quantitatively.

Length, area, volume, time and energy
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Re: How many "physical quantitative things" are there in our world? Only 2
« Reply #11 on: 30/10/2017 09:19:12 »
Quote from: boredchemist
fugacity
That's a new one to me...
Thanks for your sagacity!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugacity
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