[another_someone]

Ah I see.. So, us as a whole, don't care if we are harmed, or changed.. As long as we carry on to make more?

well we care, but the DNA does not.

But again, you are making a distinction between 'we' and the DNA.

note: i am making this up as i go along, but it does sound rather good and convincing. i am quite pleased with myself and may have to do more thinking which tends to hurt. maybe the DNA does not want me to know the truth.

Isn't that which makes it fun []

[Seany (OP)]

Why is it that quoting doesn't work for me? It says "The following error or errors occurred while posting this message:"

[paul.fr]

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Ok then.. Sidetracking away from this.. What is the point in us being here. In us living? We all know that we are to die. One day. Is it really that we were sent down to look after "God's" creation?
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but i answered that, we are just here as a host for the DNA. we will surely die but we are only here as a host for the DNA, once we have done "the business" we have no useful purpose.


George, i will think some more and get back to your questions after a nice bath, i am still formulating my theory.

[Seany (OP)]

Hang on Paul.. a HOST for the Dna? So why does the DNA want to carry on? Again, we are back to square 1. Let's say that we are just ONE Dna? Why does the DNA want to carry on living?

[another_someone]

Why is it that quoting doesn't work for me? It says "The following error or errors occurred while posting this message:"

Not only you.

Just recently – within the last hour or less, I have been having the same problem.

I have been getting around it by positing a message that only contains a single dot, and then modifying the message to contain the contents I actually wanted it to contain.

I suspect someone has 'upgraded' the system with a little buggette, and hoped we might not notice.  We may have to let them know that we have noticed it.

[paul.fr]

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Hang on Paul.. a HOST for the Dna? So why does the DNA want to carry on? Again, we are back to square 1. Let's say that we are just ONE Dna? Why does the DNA want to carry on living?
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ok, very quickly and off the top of my head.

what is the purpose of the DNA and why once it has made more does it allow you some extra free will, why does it not want you to live for ever so it can make even more of itself.

think of the DNA as the royal family, what is the purpose of the King, Queen or ruling monarch? to make the next king, going around opening fetes and having nice banquites is all well and good but the main purpose is to carry on the blood line.

this is what the DNA is doing, it knows that "we" as a host are not perfect and succeptable to desease and infection but it is the best it has. once you have done your royal duty and made the next generation of DNA it's job is done.



controversial note here and not my opinions just a quick thought.

If god was DNA and not some high being on anothe plain, this could be why homosexuality is frowned upon! no chance of making more DNA.
note i have gay friends...the above just makes sense if DNA was god

bath time...hoping for a eureka moment!

[Seany (OP)]

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Hang on Paul.. a HOST for the Dna? So why does the DNA want to carry on? Again, we are back to square 1. Let's say that we are just ONE Dna? Why does the DNA want to carry on living?
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ok, very quickly and off the top of my head.

what is the purpose of the DNA and why once it has made more does it allow you some extra free will, why does it not want you to live for ever so it can make even more of itself.

think of the DNA as the royal family, what is the purpose of the King, Queen or ruling monarch? to make the next king, going around opening fetes and having nice banquites is all well and good but the main purpose is to carry on the blood line.

this is what the DNA is doing, it knows that "we" as a host are not perfect and succeptable to desease and infection but it is the best it has. once you have done your royal duty and made the next generation of DNA it's job is done.



controversial note here and not my opinions just a quick thought.

If god was DNA and not some high being on anothe plain, this could be why homosexuality is frowned upon! no chance of making more DNA.
note i have gay friends...the above just makes sense if DNA was god

bath time...hoping for a eureka moment!

Yes, but WHY does this "Royal Family" wish to keep this blood line going?

Yes, and I really hope you get a "Eureka" moment in there  []

[another_someone]

Hang on Paul.. a HOST for the Dna? So why does the DNA want to carry on? Again, we are back to square 1. Let's say that we are just ONE Dna? Why does the DNA want to carry on living?

Ok then.. Sidetracking away from this.. What is the point in us being here. In us living? We all know that we are to die. One day. Is it really that we were sent down to look after "God's" creation?

Systems depend upon rules that govern their behaviour in order to sustain themselves.  The DNA contains the rules that govern the behaviour of the cells (note – when we are talking about multicellular organisms, it is the behaviour of the cells the govern rather than the behaviour of the total organism, although ofcourse the behaviour of the total organism is itself controlled by the cells that compose it).  In some ways, the information in the DNA can be seen to be to a cell what a body of law are to a country – the law is a necessity, but not a definition of a country.  Furthermore, a law book does not constitute the law itself, it is merely a form of physical storage for the law – so too, the DNA does not define the rules by which cell behaves, it is merely the physical storage in which those rules are stored.

Yes, it is true that the information that is contained within the DNA (the genes) do perpetuate themselves, and in that respect we are the servants of our genes, but a servant is not the same as his master, despite the relationship between them.

The question was, what are 'we', not what governs us – they are different questions.

In the same way that a member (citizen or resident) of a country, is subservient to the laws of that country, and is required to uphold and perpetuate those laws, but nonetheless the individual person still has an identity that is separate from the law, despite being subservient to it.

[Seany (OP)]

By the way, Another_Someone, thanks for your quoting method. It works now =) Hope it gets fixed soon

[Seany (OP)]

Lol! I just saw your dot lol

[Seany (OP)]

Hang on Paul.. a HOST for the Dna? So why does the DNA want to carry on? Again, we are back to square 1. Let's say that we are just ONE Dna? Why does the DNA want to carry on living?

Ok then.. Sidetracking away from this.. What is the point in us being here. In us living? We all know that we are to die. One day. Is it really that we were sent down to look after "God's" creation?

Systems depend upon rules that govern their behaviour in order to sustain themselves.  The DNA contains the rules that govern the behaviour of the cells (note – when we are talking about multicellular organisms, it is the behaviour of the cells the govern rather than the behaviour of the total organism, although ofcourse the behaviour of the total organism is itself controlled by the cells that compose it).  In some ways, the information in the DNA can be seen to be to a cell what a body of law are to a country – the law is a necessity, but not a definition of a country.  Furthermore, a law book does not constitute the law itself, it is merely a form of physical storage for the law – so too, the DNA does not define the rules by which cell behaves, it is merely the physical storage in which those rules are stored.

Yes, it is true that the information that is contained within the DNA (the genes) do perpetuate themselves, and in that respect we are the servants of our genes, but a servant is not the same as his master, despite the relationship between them.

The question was, what are 'we', not what governs us – they are different questions.

In the same way that a member (citizen or resident) of a country, is subservient to the laws of that country, and is required to uphold and perpetuate those laws, but nonetheless the individual person still has an identity that is separate from the law, despite being subservient to it.

OK. So I'm getting the idea of this whole gene and dna thing. But there's still something that confuses me, but I'm not sure what. It's in the back of my head, and I can't seem to find it.  []

[another_someone]

controversial note here and not my opinions just a quick thought.

If god was DNA and not some high being on anothe plain, this could be why homosexuality is frowned upon! no chance of making more DNA.
note i have gay friends...the above just makes sense if DNA was god

The above is partly true.

The complication is that you share genes with other people, and sometimes it is valuable to help your siblings reproduce even where you do not successfully reproduce, because that way at least some of your genes will survive through your siblings children, and if the combined effort gives your siblings children a better chance of surviving than would be possible if you and your siblings were each in competition through your respective offspring, it is sometimes a trade-off worth making.

The most extreme example of this is with worker bees (or similar ranks in social ants, etc.) where the individual will help the hive survive, but will never reproduce themselves.  The situation with social insects is slightly different from the human situation, since the members of a hive all share 100% of there genes, whereas human siblings (unless they are identical twins) will only share 50% of their genes, but 50% is still much better than 0%.

[Seany (OP)]

Yup, Paul, I see where your theory on God being DNA is coming from. Yet, how does "God", KNOW that homosexuality will not create more DNA's? How does that one single DNA, KNOW what is going to happen?

[Seany (OP)]

Another_Someone, just one curious question to ask. When does my status from Newbie, change? I made this account a couple of days ago, because I had a science question which needed answering. Fun site though, to share our thoughts  []

[paul.fr]

well no eureka moment, but as with all theories they keep evolving. i now wonder if the DNA picked us as a host not because we were the best it could find but because we were adaptive. It may have seen how we evolved and thought that our own evolution would benefit its own evolution.

As humans got smarter so did the DNA.

If the DNA is god then it would know that repdoduction was impossible through homosexual relations, but because we are adaptive and skilled even homosexuals can noe have children through scientific methods - another good reason for the DNA choosing us as a host.

The DNA needs to keep the "blood lines" going for it's own survival and evolution, it is, or at least thinks it is the ruler and in control...or something, i am still working on it.

Yes, George it is fun.

As for when do you stop being a newbie - once you pst enough stupid questions and answers. look at me full member - lots of stupid q and a's!
no seriously it goes on how many posts you make.

[another_someone]

Another_Someone, just one curious question to ask. When does my status from Newbie, change? I made this account a couple of days ago, because I had a science question which needed answering. Fun site though, to share our thoughts  []

First increment of status is at 50 posts.

The following is a copy of a post made on the moderators private board about this question:

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BTW, the quoting problem has now been fixed.

[Seany (OP)]

well no eureka moment, but as with all theories they keep evolving. i now wonder if the DNA picked us as a host not because we were the best it could find but because we were adaptive. It may have seen how we evolved and thought that our own evolution would benefit its own evolution.

As humans got smarter so did the DNA.

If the DNA is god then it would know that repdoduction was impossible through homosexual relations, but because we are adaptive and skilled even homosexuals can noe have children through scientific methods - another good reason for the DNA choosing us as a host.

The DNA needs to keep the "blood lines" going for it's own survival and evolution, it is, or at least thinks it is the ruler and in control...or something, i am still working on it.

Yes, George it is fun.

As for when do you stop being a newbie - once you pst enough stupid questions and answers. look at me full member - lots of stupid q and a's!
no seriously it goes on how many posts you make.

The DNA picking us as a host.. I think that's quite understandable. Just like viruses pick on humans to live on, DNA's do the same?

And Another_Someone, thanks for that info =)

[Karen W.]

Yes I had same problems posted and emailed Dave and he has sorted it out! YAYYYYYYYYYYY!

[Seany (OP)]

Haha, thanks Karen []

[another_someone]

The DNA picking us as a host.. I think that's quite understandable. Just like viruses pick on humans to live on, DNA's do the same?

To imply that DNA picked us is to imply that we can exist without the DNA.

At a genetic level, I would question whether we are any different from just a collection of viruses.  We certainly contain old historic viruses within our genome, and all a virus is is a handful of genes wrapped up in a very simple carrier that inserts those genes into another cell.  We too are genes with all sorts of cellular machinery around it, so if one removes that machinery, a gene is just a gene, whether it was inherited from your parents or from a viral infection, or from a viral infection that infected your ancestor.

Ofcourse, the cellular machinery is an important part of the cell - the gene is merely the software of the cell, it still requires the hardware with which to function (software in the absence of the right hardware is meaningless).