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A new concept for toe
« on: 08/03/2018 03:15:46 »
Spyroetheory uses the idea of unwinding organized vortexes to explain reality replacing the concepts of particles, forces and gravity.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #1 on: 08/03/2018 09:54:11 »
I'm willing to bet that this is more a WAG than a theory.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #2 on: 08/03/2018 10:35:05 »
Never heard that term.   What does it mean?
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #3 on: 08/03/2018 12:30:36 »
Wild ass guess.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #4 on: 08/03/2018 15:40:42 »
More like a Eureka, then a WAG.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #5 on: 08/03/2018 19:41:53 »
At least learn the difference between "then" and "than".
Having done so, you can find out what a theory is.
"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.[3]"

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #6 on: 08/03/2018 20:22:17 »
Haha it was a typing mistake. Not nice to talk down to people. why not talk about the idea instead of an English lesson.
I know what a theory is. go to my website for an explanation.
spyroetheory.com

what you probably don't know is that math describes what we perceive as our reality based on our position in spacetime and our DNA configuration. Math doesn't describe anything separated from us.

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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #7 on: 08/03/2018 20:34:01 »
It looks like I was right.
It's not a theory.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #8 on: 08/03/2018 20:38:37 »
Thaanks for telling me something i already know. What about the idea, no comment?
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #9 on: 08/03/2018 20:44:16 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 03:15:46
Spyroetheory uses the idea of unwinding organized vortexes to explain reality replacing the concepts of particles, forces and gravity.
Gravity at the moment is not particle based, it is space time curvature based .  So ok, you are explaining  unwinding organised vortexes ,

what do you mean by this?

what are the vortexes made of? dark energy? dark matter? electromagnetic radiation?



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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #10 on: 08/03/2018 20:52:43 »
Ok so a real conversation here. Gravity isn't particle based but there is talk about a force carrying particle, graviton.
But besides that, the questions you ask are outside of my way of presenting this idea. You are using man made ideas to try and understand my concept here. And i have done this for many years just to have a way of explaining it. But realky, it has nothing to do with the concept because what spyroe theory claims is that the universe is just an energy field, and the shape and interactions of a spyroe may be a better way of understanding the energy field. What i'm saying here is a spyroe physically doesnt exsist it just might be the most common shape we know, the shape of nature. and using this shape might help us understand our reality. As far as particles, and dark matter and electromagnetism, these are all theories that help us understand but really do not exist outside of us.
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« Reply #11 on: 08/03/2018 21:06:54 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 20:52:43
Ok so a real conversation here. Gravity isn't particle based but there is talk about a force carrying particle, graviton.
But besides that, the questions you ask are outside of my way of presenting this idea. You are using man made ideas to try and understand my concept here. And i have done this for many years just to have a way of explaining it. But realky, it has nothing to do with the concept because what spyroe theory claims is that the universe is just an energy field, and the shape and interactions of a spyroe may be a better way of understanding the energy field. What i'm saying here is a spyroe physically doesnt exsist it just might be the most common shape we know, the shape of nature. and using this shape might help us understand our reality. As far as particles, and dark matter and electromagnetism, these are all theories that help us understand but really do not exist outside of us.
I do not believe in the Graviton idea, it is a rather odd idea.   You say '' the universe is just an energy field''.   


What do you mean by Universe in your own words?

What do you mean by energy field?  Energy being a generalised  name for a set that has subsets.

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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #12 on: 08/03/2018 21:13:49 »
no one know for sure and neither do i what the universe is. Its like asking what god is. No one knows. u can guess or believe in something written in the past. But if i had to try to explain to a child, i would say its everything, nothing is outside of it. Whats in it? nothing but energy.  what is energy, i would say it can be anything depending on who is measuring/disturbing it.
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« Reply #13 on: 08/03/2018 21:25:50 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 21:13:49
no one know for sure and neither do i what the universe is. Its like asking what god is. No one knows. u can guess or believe in something written in the past. But if i had to try to explain to a child, i would say its everything, nothing is outside of it. Whats in it? nothing but energy.  what is energy, i would say it can be anything depending on who is measuring/disturbing it.
Ok, I can see a few problems here with your understanding of certain things, I am not saying this to be rude or offensive.  When I first started science there was a lot of things I did not understand. It is good that you are trying your own science.

Below is a few pointers

1) definition -  Things have to be clearly defined or people just will not understand what you have got to say.

2) Be always willing to learn, even if at first it sounds wrong.

A point to you, the universe is defined and we do know what the Universe is because that is what we defined.

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The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. ... It is assumed that galaxies are distributed uniformly and the same in all directions, meaning that the Universe has neither an edge nor a center.


Pretty much we can just look things up on google. 

Now the Universe is not to be mistaken for observable universe, the universe is made up of an observable universe (what we can see)  and a non-observable universe, beyond what we can observe (see).

This is where we get a finite universe (as far as we can see) and a infinite universe (what we cant see) from.

Your notion sounds like you are describing a finite ''energy'' sphere ?




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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #14 on: 08/03/2018 21:37:43 »
thebox.. im not new in science, u have no idea what i have witnessed. it is u that has a lot to learn. all the definitions u send me have nothing to do with the universe outside of us. do u get it? I''ll say it again. the universe is the way we see it because we create it ourselves. Things do not exist outside of us. do u get this? Ok so i know we have no choice, we must believe it is real to evolve as humans but this is because it is the way we are put together.  Here, this is another example. Consciousness does not exist inside of us. sure, we need our brains to process but the conscious field is something we all share. Something is real because we see it, but only because we agree on seeing it.
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« Reply #15 on: 08/03/2018 21:43:27 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 21:37:43
thebox.. im not new in science, u have no idea what i have witnessed. it is u that has a lot to learn. all the definitions u send me have nothing to do with the universe outside of us. do u get it? I''ll say it again. the universe is the way we see it because we create it ourselves. Things do not exist outside of us. do u get this? Ok so i know we have no choice, we must believe it is real to evolve as humans but this is because it is the way we are put together.  Here, this is another example. Consciousness does not exist inside of us. sure, we need our brains to process but the conscious field is something we all share. Something is real because we see it, but only because we agree on seeing it.
Ok, I think I understand what you are saying, a Matrix style Universe?

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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #16 on: 08/03/2018 21:50:01 »
I find a better way of understanding the universe and reality is to believe that everything is just an invisible energy field that we are made of and interact with. Our science theories are tools we use to shape this field, but the theories are not right, they just work. The shape of a spyore isn't right or wrong, it might work as a better tool in our reality.
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« Reply #17 on: 08/03/2018 21:53:45 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 21:50:01
I find a better way of understanding the universe and reality is to believe that everything is just an invisible energy field that we are made of and interact with. Our science theories are tools we use to shape this field, but the theories are not right, they just work. The shape of a spyore isn't right or wrong, it might work as a better tool in our reality.
How exactly would that lead to a better understanding?  It is rather vague to say the least and objectively some of this energy must be visible because I can see things and measure that thing to be in its exact position relative to me.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #18 on: 08/03/2018 22:03:11 »
Quote from: Spyroe on 08/03/2018 20:38:37
Thaanks for telling me something i already know. What about the idea, no comment?
There's no science in this idea of yours, so few comments on it would be appropriate  for a science web site.
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Re: A new concept for toe
« Reply #19 on: 08/03/2018 22:09:45 »
Put it this way, if the math representing spyroe theory proved to work better than particle theory, the notion of particles making up matter wouldn't be used in science anymore. It would be something else that would make up matter.
We as humans would understand from a different perspective and particle wouldn't exist anymore because we wouldn't think about them. Think of it this way, when we capture an electron, we really don't capture something that was there. What happens is we disturb the field with a machine and our minds. This disturbance of the field creates the electron.
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