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Christianity was invented by St Paul (almost certainly a real person) about 30 years after the death of jesus.
Paul by no means “invented” Christianity. He received living tradition from those who came before him, who themselves had journeyed with Jesus during his earthly ministry and experienced his glorified presence within their respective communities of faith (see Galatians 1:11-24). Through the dramatic event of his conversion, Paul became a vital link in a chain of Holy Tradition. He became perhaps the most profound and influential interpreter of that Tradition, which, as the entire New Testament canon testifies, and the experience of Christian believers confirms, is grounded directly and unequivocally in the very person of the crucified and risen Christ.
one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
Quote from: John 19:34one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.Could that imply that the blood had already started to separate into red blood cells and plasma?See: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19&version=NIV
The difficulty surrounding exhalation leads to a slow form of suffocation. Carbon dioxide builds up in the blood, resulting in a high level of carbonic acid in the blood. The body responds instinctively, triggering the desire to breathe. At the same time, the heart beats faster to circulate available oxygen. The decreased oxygen (due to the difficulty in exhaling) causes damage to the tissues and the capillaries begin leaking watery fluid from the blood into the tissues. This results in a build-up of fluid around the heart (pericardial effusion) and lungs (pleural effusion).
A useful addition to the story to convince believers that Jesus was really dead and miraculously came back to life.
Obviously, he legged it after he was taken down from the cross, but, given a couple of days to rest in a cool place, could he have come out of the coma and thought "me" im lucky to be alive, better go see the lads and have a beer and a last bit of supper, ( see where im going with this ? ) then quietly slipped away, taking Mary M, and a fast donkey out of the province, and spreading the culture of hair and beards to the west coast of the Americas.Understanding the physiology of the body a bit better these days, could he have appeared to "die", then come back to life, never going to know for sure, but boy did he start something !
Quote from: syhprum on 23/03/2018 04:10:17Christianity Quote from: syhprum on 23/03/2018 04:10:17Christianity was invented by St Paul (almost certainly a real person) about 30 years after the death of jesus.I disagree. I hold fast and strong in saying that Christ invented Christianity just as Einstein invented Einstein's theory of relativity. I understand and accept that's what you hold to be true and I've given up on trying to change what people accept as true. What I will say is that your view is not universal and not one accepted by all. Here's an examplehttps://oca.org/reflections/fr.-john-breck/who-invented-christianityQuotePaul by no means “invented” Christianity. He received living tradition from those who came before him, who themselves had journeyed with Jesus during his earthly ministry and experienced his glorified presence within their respective communities of faith (see Galatians 1:11-24). Through the dramatic event of his conversion, Paul became a vital link in a chain of Holy Tradition. He became perhaps the most profound and influential interpreter of that Tradition, which, as the entire New Testament canon testifies, and the experience of Christian believers confirms, is grounded directly and unequivocally in the very person of the crucified and risen Christ.I encourage readers to google it and study these points. There is a lot of info on this point out there.
Say Paul wanted to invent Christianity for the sake of argument. Why would he want to do something like that? What would he hope to get out of it personally?
Quote from: duffyd on 06/05/2020 17:08:40Say Paul wanted to invent Christianity for the sake of argument. Why would he want to do something like that? What would he hope to get out of it personally? An opportunity to persecute a wider spectrum of humanity. See also "Pilgrim Fathers".
guess who?
So I always have a $20 bill to give away. I cannot tell if they want the money for food or drugs.
Has anybody noticed that theists pride themselves on generosity, kindness and charity,
Quote from: PmbPhy on 26/03/2018 17:22:26Has anybody noticed that theists pride themselves on generosity, kindness and charity,….and Christians consider pride to be a sin. I'm always happy to support the Salvation Army for the work they do, not the reason they do it. OXFAM, UNESCO, MSF are not religious organisations. Many of the older charities were founded at a time when it was difficult for any non-Christian to even admit his faith or lack of it, and even Quakers had a hard time because they took an intellectual view of the world. The Red Cross was founded by a businessman, not a priest, but corporate idiocy and superstition demanded that later members of the international organisation could use a non-cruciform symbol. I'm privileged to live in one of the few civilised countries where the law and civic institutions don't care what you think about the supernatural. As a devout atheist, I can either waste time and money setting up a new atheist charity to make a personal vanity point, or help an existing charity do their thing. The Sally Anne never ask where the money comes from or what you believe in - what matters is how they deploy the cash or time you give them. And their brass band hymn books have all the best tunes, beautifully arranged and pitched.
Would you list examples that demonstrate the difficulties they had as non-Christians?
Princess Diana’s mother, Frances Shand Kydd, was Jewish — born Frances Ruth Burke Roche, a Rothschild. If factual, that would be sufficient for Princess Diana to be certified Jewish, as well as her son, William, the future King of England.